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[Seival]

maaaze wrote...

Seival wrote...

maaaze wrote...

There is no evidence that the Catalyst creates these choices.

none. it makes no sense that he created these choises.

He just explains what the crucible does.

If the idea of synthesis was intended as a use of the crucible by its designers is debatable.

but destroy and control are not. these option originate from the Crucible and its designers.

So please, stop pretending otherwise.

thank you.

You should listen to the Catalist more carefully. The Crucuble is just a source of energy.

I believe that nothing in the end can happen without the original Catalist's permission. So victory was not just about the Crucible. It was more about convincing the original Catalist that its "solution" was wrong.

Please note, that these thoughts are coming from a pro-ender, and Control Ending supporter

The Crucuble is just a source of energy. 

sorry but no..that is not what he said.

"The device you refer to as the Crucible is little more than a power source. However, in combination with the Citadel and the relays, it is capable of releasing tremendous amounts of energy throughout the galaxy. "

in combination with the citadel the crucible is much more.

What the Catalist said actually means that Crucible is just a source of energy, but when combined with the Citadel it becomes a bomb. A bomb, which can release a very complicated AOE Effect, and transmit the same effect through all Mass Relays.

...And I believe the released AOE Effect can do nothing without the Original Catalist's permission.

Modifié par Seival, 26 juillet 2012 - 09:31 .

[Kamfrenchie]

maaaze wrote...

Seival wrote...

maaaze wrote...

There is no evidence that the Catalyst creates these choices.

none. it makes no sense that he created these choises.

He just explains what the crucible does.

If the idea of synthesis was intended as a use of the crucible by its designers is debatable.

but destroy and control are not. these option originate from the Crucible and its designers.

So please, stop pretending otherwise.

thank you.

You should listen to the Catalist more carefully. The Crucuble is just a source of energy.

I believe that nothing in the end can happen without the original Catalist's permission. So victory was not just about the Crucible. It was more about convincing the original Catalist that its "solution" was wrong.

Please note, that these thoughts are coming from a pro-ender, and Control Ending supporter

The Crucuble is just a source of energy. 

sorry but no..that is not what he said.

"The device you refer to as the Crucible is little more than a power source. However, in combination with the Citadel and the relays, it is capable of releasing tremendous amounts of energy throughout the galaxy. "

in combination with the citadel the crucible is much more.

you are just being subborn.

"little more" means it is prtty much a power source.

a battery is little more than a power source
so is a generator

what the catalyst says, means, in english, that the crucible is a power source.

it means the choices come from the kid, and they all fulfill his agenda in some way

Modifié par Kamfrenchie, 26 juillet 2012 - 09:33 .

[Mazebook]

Seival wrote...

maaaze wrote...

Seival wrote...

maaaze wrote...

There is no evidence that the Catalyst creates these choices.

none. it makes no sense that he created these choises.

He just explains what the crucible does.

If the idea of synthesis was intended as a use of the crucible by its designers is debatable.

but destroy and control are not. these option originate from the Crucible and its designers.

So please, stop pretending otherwise.

thank you.

You should listen to the Catalist more carefully. The Crucuble is just a source of energy.

I believe that nothing in the end can happen without the original Catalist's permission. So victory was not just about the Crucible. It was more about convincing the original Catalist that its "solution" was wrong.

Please note, that these thoughts are coming from a pro-ender, and Control Ending supporter

The Crucuble is just a source of energy. 

sorry but no..that is not what he said.

"The device you refer to as the Crucible is little more than a power source. However, in combination with the Citadel and the relays, it is capable of releasing tremendous amounts of energy throughout the galaxy. "

in combination with the citadel the crucible is much more.

What the Catalist said actually means that Cricible is just a source of energy, but when combined with the Citadel it becomes a bomb. A bomb, which can release a very complicated AOE Effect, and transmit the same effect through all Mass Relays.

...And I believe the released AOE Effect can do nothing without the Original Catalist's permission.

So what do you think the designer intended to do with the crucible if  with the release system of the citadel does not end the cycle by itself?

how do you come to this conclusion that it needs the catalyst permission?

two quotes that counter this notion :

"
It is now in your power to destroy us, but be warned: others will be destroyed as well. The Crucible will not discriminate "

" 
You could instead use the energy of the Crucible to seize control of the Reapers "

Modifié par maaaze, 26 juillet 2012 - 09:40 .

[Mazebook]

Kamfrenchie wrote...

maaaze wrote...

Seival wrote...

maaaze wrote...

There is no evidence that the Catalyst creates these choices.

none. it makes no sense that he created these choises.

He just explains what the crucible does.

If the idea of synthesis was intended as a use of the crucible by its designers is debatable.

but destroy and control are not. these option originate from the Crucible and its designers.

So please, stop pretending otherwise.

thank you.

You should listen to the Catalist more carefully. The Crucuble is just a source of energy.

I believe that nothing in the end can happen without the original Catalist's permission. So victory was not just about the Crucible. It was more about convincing the original Catalist that its "solution" was wrong.

Please note, that these thoughts are coming from a pro-ender, and Control Ending supporter

The Crucuble is just a source of energy. 

sorry but no..that is not what he said.

"The device you refer to as the Crucible is little more than a power source. However, in combination with the Citadel and the relays, it is capable of releasing tremendous amounts of energy throughout the galaxy. "

in combination with the citadel the crucible is much more.

you are just being subborn.

"little more" means it is prtty much a power source.

a battery is little more than a power source
so is a generator

what the catalyst says, means, in english, that the crucible is a power source.

it means the choices come from the kid, and they all fulfill his agenda in some way

no it does not...he would have said it is "only" a power source...but in combination with the citadel it is much more...

why ist that so hard to understand?

the crucible and the citadel are two puzzle pieces...the crucible was designed to fit perfectly with the citadel.
to achive the goal it´s designers intended...to end the cycle.

why else would you design this thing if it was not capable of doing that?
therefore these choices were part of the design of the crucible.

and destroy and control is going against his agenda!!!

They don´t solve his problem.

Modifié par maaaze, 26 juillet 2012 - 09:48 .

[Kamfrenchie]

maaaze wrote...

Kamfrenchie wrote...

maaaze wrote...

Seival wrote...

maaaze wrote...

There is no evidence that the Catalyst creates these choices.

none. it makes no sense that he created these choises.

He just explains what the crucible does.

If the idea of synthesis was intended as a use of the crucible by its designers is debatable.

but destroy and control are not. these option originate from the Crucible and its designers.

So please, stop pretending otherwise.

thank you.

You should listen to the Catalist more carefully. The Crucuble is just a source of energy.

I believe that nothing in the end can happen without the original Catalist's permission. So victory was not just about the Crucible. It was more about convincing the original Catalist that its "solution" was wrong.

Please note, that these thoughts are coming from a pro-ender, and Control Ending supporter

The Crucuble is just a source of energy. 

sorry but no..that is not what he said.

"The device you refer to as the Crucible is little more than a power source. However, in combination with the Citadel and the relays, it is capable of releasing tremendous amounts of energy throughout the galaxy. "

in combination with the citadel the crucible is much more.

you are just being subborn.

"little more" means it is prtty much a power source.

a battery is little more than a power source
so is a generator

what the catalyst says, means, in english, that the crucible is a power source.

it means the choices come from the kid, and they all fulfill his agenda in some way

no it does not...he would have said it is "only" a power source...but in combination with the citadel it is much more...

why ist that so hard to understand?

the crucible and the citadel are two puzzle pieces...the crucible was designed to fit perfectly with the citadel.
to achive the goal it´s designers intended...to end the cycle.

why else would you design this thing if it was not capable of doing that?
therefore these choices were part of the design of the crucible.

that is what he said, that's the same thing, you are arguing against english language !

"little more than = only" for all intent and purposes.

if the crucible was more than a power source he would have explained how it was different from a simple power source

The only logical solution is that the crucible would be designed to kill the reapers. The other option makes no sense from the previous cycle perspective

also, bad writing !

Modifié par Kamfrenchie, 26 juillet 2012 - 09:51 .

[Mazebook]

Kamfrenchie wrote...

that is what he said, that's the same thing, you are arguing against english language !


The only logical ****ion is that the crucible would be designed to kill the reapers. The other option makes no sense from the previous cycle perspective

also, bad writing !

No your Point of view just makes no sense.

that is why you think it is bad writing...because your own interpretation makes no sense.

It only makes sense if the choices originate from the crucible.

You arguing against what makes sense.
and you keep ignoring the important part..."in combination with the citadel."

which means the crucible was designed to fit with the citadel to be much more.

and  be capable of ending the cycle.

Modifié par maaaze, 26 juillet 2012 - 09:54 .

[Seival]

maaaze wrote...

Seival wrote...

maaaze wrote...

Seival wrote...

maaaze wrote...

There is no evidence that the Catalyst creates these choices.

none. it makes no sense that he created these choises.

He just explains what the crucible does.

If the idea of synthesis was intended as a use of the crucible by its designers is debatable.

but destroy and control are not. these option originate from the Crucible and its designers.

So please, stop pretending otherwise.

thank you.

You should listen to the Catalist more carefully. The Crucuble is just a source of energy.

I believe that nothing in the end can happen without the original Catalist's permission. So victory was not just about the Crucible. It was more about convincing the original Catalist that its "solution" was wrong.

Please note, that these thoughts are coming from a pro-ender, and Control Ending supporter

The Crucuble is just a source of energy. 

sorry but no..that is not what he said.

"The device you refer to as the Crucible is little more than a power source. However, in combination with the Citadel and the relays, it is capable of releasing tremendous amounts of energy throughout the galaxy. "

in combination with the citadel the crucible is much more.

What the Catalist said actually means that Cricible is just a source of energy, but when combined with the Citadel it becomes a bomb. A bomb, which can release a very complicated AOE Effect, and transmit the same effect through all Mass Relays.

...And I believe the released AOE Effect can do nothing without the Original Catalist's permission.

So what do you think the designer intended to do with the crucible if  with the release system of the citadel does not end the cycle by itself?

how do you come to this conclusion that it needs the catalyst permission?

two quotes that counter this notion :

"
It is now in your power to destroy us, but be warned: others will be destroyed as well. The Crucible will not discriminate "

" 
You could instead use the energy of the Crucible to seize control of the Reapers "

The Catalist could left Shepard to die near the Anderson. But instead it prolonged her life and explained what and how can be done to stop the Reapers. There are no "control rods", "glass tubes", or "pillars of light" on the Citadel. Those are just symbols of the Catalist's permission for AOE to affect the things it may affect.

...If Crucible's AOE could do everything itself, then it would be a conventional victory. But the Trilogy clearly states that conventional victory is not possible.

[Mazebook]

Seival wrote...

The Catalist could left Shepard to die near the Anderson. But instead it prolonged her life and explained what and how can be done to stop the Reapers. There are no "control rods", "glass tubes", or "pillars of light" on the Citadel. Those are just symbols of the Catalist's permission for AOE to affect the things it may affect.

...If Crucible's AOE could do everything itself, then it would be a conventional victory. But the Trilogy clearly states that conventional victory is not possible.

The Catalist could left Shepard to die near the Anderson. But instead it prolonged her life and explained what and how can be done to stop the Reapers.  

why do you think the catalyst activated the lift ? Is there any evidence for that?

I think it only makes sense that the crucible activated the lift.

argument 1 : it makes sense that the designers would include a way to get to the crucible in case the arms a closed. And you would put this mechanism in place from where you open the arms of the citadel.

argument 2: the citadel being part of the catalyst does not imply he has control over it. As much you don´t have control over your heartbeat.

argument 3: the following to statements imply that he did not lift Shaperd up.

"you being here, the first organic ever, proves my solution won´t work anymore" this statement makes no sense if the catalyst himself brought him there. Here meaning a place to activate the crucible.

In the low ems ending : "Why are you here ?" the catalyst himself is surprised that Shaperd did make it to the crucible...it makes no sense for him to ask him that question if he himself brought him there. Surly he knows what Shaperd intends to do.

If Crucible's AOE could do everything itself, then it would be a conventional victory.  

no you still would need the crucible and the citadel. destroying the reapers has just nasty side effects.

Modifié par maaaze, 26 juillet 2012 - 10:04 .

[Seival]

maaaze wrote...

Seival wrote...

The Catalist could left Shepard to die near the Anderson. But instead it prolonged her life and explained what and how can be done to stop the Reapers. There are no "control rods", "glass tubes", or "pillars of light" on the Citadel. Those are just symbols of the Catalist's permission for AOE to affect the things it may affect.

...If Crucible's AOE could do everything itself, then it would be a conventional victory. But the Trilogy clearly states that conventional victory is not possible.

The Catalist could left Shepard to die near the Anderson. But instead it prolonged her life and explained what and how can be done to stop the Reapers.  

why do you think the catalyst activated the lift ? Is there any evidence for that?

I think it only makes sense that the crucible activated the lift.

argument 1 : it makes sense that the designers would include a way to get to the crucible in case the arms a closed. And you would put this mechanism in place from where you open the arms of the citadel.

argument 2: the citadel being part of the catalyst does not imply he has control over it. As much you don´t have control over your heartbeat.

argument 3: the following to statements imply that he did not lift Shaperd up.

"you being here, the first organic ever, proves my solution won´t work anymore" this statement makes no sense if the catalyst himself brought him there. Here meaning a place to activate the crucible.

In the low ems ending : "Why are you here ?" the catalyst himself is surprised that Shaperd did make it to the crucible...it makes no sense for him to ask him that question if he himself brought him there. Surly he knows what Shaperd intends to do.

If Crucible's AOE could do everything itself, then it would be a conventional victory.  

no you still would need the crucible and the citadel. destroying the reapers has just nasty side effects.

There was no "lift". The "lift" was also a symbol. A symbol of the Catalist's desire to help Shepard.

Yes, you still need the Crucible and the Citadel. But I believe their roles in the final events were secondary.

Modifié par Seival, 26 juillet 2012 - 10:17 .

[Mazebook]

[quote]Seival wrote...




There was no "lift". The "lift" was also a symbol. A symbol of the Catalist's desire to help Shepard.

Yes, you still need the Crucible and the Citadel. But I believe their roles in the final events were secondary.[/quote]
[/quote]
there was no lift? What do you mean? than how did he get there?

But I agree that the lift is also a symbol.

it symbolises the combined effort and sacrifices of this and all the previous Cycles that made it possible to take Shaperd to a place from where you can end the cycle. their combined strenght literally lifted Shaperd up to where he could win. 

Modifié par maaaze, 26 juillet 2012 - 10:28 .

[Seival]

maaaze wrote...
there was no lift? What do you mean? than how did he get there?

But I agree that the lift is also a symbol.

it symbolises the combined effort and sacrifices of this and all the previous Cycles that made it possible to take Shaperd to a place from where you can end the cycle. their combined strenght literally lifted Shaperd up to where he could win.

I meant that the "lift" was as symbolical as "control rods", "glass tube", and "pillar of light". And everything starting from the "lift" and till the end of conversation with the original Catalist was a "dream sequence", a way in which the original Catalist prefered to communicate with Shepard - mentally, not physically...

...So, Shepard mentally tells the Catalist about her decision (touching control rods in the dream for example), then the Catalist itself triggers the explosion, and allows the explosion to have the effect, chosen by Shepard.



Welcome to the Deus Ex Machina ending concept. Conventional victory is not possible. And that's why ME Trilogy ending is really brilliant.

Modifié par Seival, 26 juillet 2012 - 11:39 .

[tyrvas]

Seival wrote...

maaaze wrote...
there was no lift? What do you mean? than how did he get there?

But I agree that the lift is also a symbol.

it symbolises the combined effort and sacrifices of this and all the previous Cycles that made it possible to take Shaperd to a place from where you can end the cycle. their combined strenght literally lifted Shaperd up to where he could win.

I meant that the "lift" was as symbolical as "control rods", "glass tube", and "pillar of light". And everything starting from the "lift" and till the end of conversation with the original Catalist was a "dream sequence", a way in which the original Catalist prefered to communicate with Shepard - mentally, not physically...

...So, Shepard mentally tells the Catalist about her decision (touching control rods in the dream for example), then the Catalist itself triggers the explosion, and allows the explosion to have the effect, chosen by Shepard.



Welcome to the Deus Ex Machina ending concept. Conventional victory is not possible. And that's why ME Trilogy ending is really brilliant.

what about this...

tyrvas wrote...

IMO

Catalyst for Peace = Super Computer Brain (AI), built as part of the Citadel.
Creators add 2 failsafes to Catalyst for Peace,
Override Switch = Control
Shut Down / Kill Switch = Destroy

1) Catalyst was programmed to find a Solution to the organic/synthetic problem,
It's best solution upto now... Harvesting the Galaxy every 50,000 years or so.

2) Catalyst was not programmed to Override itself or Destroy itself.
Only organics can use the failsafes, Catalyst says so, it cannot make
the changes only Shepard can.

Now Catalyst says his been changed because of the Crucible and Shepard.
In other words it has been HACKED, and offers Shepard the availabe options.

Shep can, Destroy, Control or try out one of the Catalyst previously failed solutions Synthesis,
which the Catalyst says is the final evolution BUT it had tried it before and FAILED....

[Seival]

[quote]tyrvas wrote...

what about this...

[quote]tyrvas wrote...

IMO

Catalyst for Peace = Super Computer Brain (AI), built as part of the Citadel.
Creators add 2 failsafes to Catalyst for Peace,
Override Switch = Control
Shut Down / Kill Switch = Destroy

1) Catalyst was programmed to find a Solution to the organic/synthetic problem,
It's best solution upto now... Harvesting the Galaxy every 50,000 years or so.

2) Catalyst was not programmed to Override itself or Destroy itself.
Only organics can use the failsafes, Catalyst says so, it cannot make
the changes only Shepard can.

Now Catalyst says his been changed because of the Crucible and Shepard.
In other words it has been HACKED, and offers Shepard the availabe options.

Shep can, Destroy, Control or try out one of the Catalyst previously failed solutions Synthesis,
which the Catalyst says is the final evolution BUT it had tried it before and FAILED....[/quote]


[/quote]
[/quote]

Disagree. You are talking about conventional victory, which is not possible. I strongly believe that any type of conventional victory can only ruin ME Trilogy artistic value.

[tyrvas]

Seival wrote...

tyrvas wrote...

what about this...

tyrvas wrote...

IMO

Catalyst for Peace = Super Computer Brain (AI), built as part of the Citadel.
Creators add 2 failsafes to Catalyst for Peace,
Override Switch = Control
Shut Down / Kill Switch = Destroy

1) Catalyst was programmed to find a Solution to the organic/synthetic problem,
It's best solution upto now... Harvesting the Galaxy every 50,000 years or so.

2) Catalyst was not programmed to Override itself or Destroy itself.
Only organics can use the failsafes, Catalyst says so, it cannot make
the changes only Shepard can.

Now Catalyst says his been changed because of the Crucible and Shepard.
In other words it has been HACKED, and offers Shepard the availabe options.

Shep can, Destroy, Control or try out one of the Catalyst previously failed solutions Synthesis,
which the Catalyst says is the final evolution BUT it had tried it before and FAILED....

Disagree. You are talking about conventional victory, which is not possible. I strongly believe that any type of conventional victory can only ruin ME Trilogy artistic value.

OK, but I am not talking about conventional victory.
I was just explaining IMO why the RGB options are there.
I did not add refuse because we know the outcome, FLAWED cycle continues.

Modifié par tyrvas, 27 juillet 2012 - 12:21 .

[3DandBeyond]

Seival wrote...

maaaze wrote...
there was no lift? What do you mean? than how did he get there?

But I agree that the lift is also a symbol.

it symbolises the combined effort and sacrifices of this and all the previous Cycles that made it possible to take Shaperd to a place from where you can end the cycle. their combined strenght literally lifted Shaperd up to where he could win.

I meant that the "lift" was as symbolical as "control rods", "glass tube", and "pillar of light". And everything starting from the "lift" and till the end of conversation with the original Catalist was a "dream sequence", a way in which the original Catalist prefered to communicate with Shepard - mentally, not physically...

...So, Shepard mentally tells the Catalist about her decision (touching control rods in the dream for example), then the Catalist itself triggers the explosion, and allows the explosion to have the effect, chosen by Shepard.



Welcome to the Deus Ex Machina ending concept. Conventional victory is not possible. And that's why ME Trilogy ending is really brilliant.

Ok exactly where in ME 1-3 did the story stop being about real events that occurred within the ME universe and start being about symbolism and fantasy and be totally replaced with magical events?  I didn't get the DLC for that for ME1 and 2 and the beginning of 3.

[3DandBeyond]

Seival wrote...

Disagree. You are talking about conventional victory, which is not possible. I strongly believe that any type of conventional victory can only ruin ME Trilogy artistic value.

Just like conventional victories ruined the art in ME1, 2, and the other parts of 3?  You know the true art of the games--all those other touching meaningful stories, totally ruined because people actually fired real weapons and didn't use imaginary devices that transparent god boy AIs said would help the reapers (him) and not help the galaxy.

Really?  Just whose artistic vision exists in the end of ME3?  The person that wrote the Babylon 5 ending of Chaos and Order?  Or whoever wrote the Deus ex game ending?  Or the Matrix Revolutions writer?  Or the fans that helped to write the EC by speculating what the original endings hopefully wouldn't mean?  You know why Joker would ever run away--oh yeah that's right someone on here said that he was doing a crash test of a relay and it would be in the EC, I forgot. 

Since Joker and Garrus leaving even when ordered still makes very little sense I think the art in that is like a ****** painting.

But since the catalyst in a dream or outside of a dream is the only one that knows what the crucible is, doesn't get the reapers to destroy it, and the choices that are a part of the citadel, his home all solve his problem the whole dream is more like a real hallucination.

[Memnon]

...

Modifié par Stornskar, 27 juillet 2012 - 01:05 .

[Mazebook]

Seival wrote...

maaaze wrote...
there was no lift? What do you mean? than how did he get there?

But I agree that the lift is also a symbol.

it symbolises the combined effort and sacrifices of this and all the previous Cycles that made it possible to take Shaperd to a place from where you can end the cycle. their combined strenght literally lifted Shaperd up to where he could win.

I meant that the "lift" was as symbolical as "control rods", "glass tube", and "pillar of light". And everything starting from the "lift" and till the end of conversation with the original Catalist was a "dream sequence", a way in which the original Catalist prefered to communicate with Shepard - mentally, not physically...

...So, Shepard mentally tells the Catalist about her decision (touching control rods in the dream for example), then the Catalist itself triggers the explosion, and allows the explosion to have the effect, chosen by Shepard.



Welcome to the Deus Ex Machina ending concept. Conventional victory is not possible. And that's why ME Trilogy ending is really brilliant.

well you can believe what you want but i am afraid this makes no sense...

The catalyst himself said that he can not make these choices happen...he is physically and mentally not able to do these things.

he does not say that he needs shaperds permission....

also how would his energy be added to the crucible if he is really just laying on the floor?

We have to take the ending at face value or else we a drifting into a place where everything is viable...

[Mazebook]

Stornskar wrote...

Seival wrote...

Disagree. You are talking about conventional victory, which is not possible. I strongly believe that any type of conventional victory can only ruin ME Trilogy artistic value.

You know what ... to hell with artistic value, okay? I am beyond sick of hearing about it. If I want art, I'll go to a museum or the goram Louvre. I want to play games, not be preached to by someone who looks in the mirror and thinks he's Michelangelo. I don't think it's too much to ask for an ending along the lines of ... oh, Baldur's Gate, Baldur's Gate 2, Neverwinter Nights, KOTOR, Jade Empire, ME1, ME2, or any slew of games that were awesome and didn't have ****ty endings. 

you could have written a pm at Seival...this has nothing to do with this thread...please leave your statements about different topics somewhere else.

thank you.

[Memnon]

maaaze wrote...


you could have written a pm at Seival...this has nothing to do with this thread...please leave your statements about different topics somewhere else.

thank you.

Fair enough, I'll delete it

[Mazebook]

[quote]tyrvas wrote...

IMO

Catalyst for Peace = Super Computer Brain (AI), built as part of the Citadel.
Creators add 2 failsafes to Catalyst for Peace,
Override Switch = Control
Shut Down / Kill Switch = Destroy

1) Catalyst was programmed to find a Solution to the organic/synthetic problem,
It's best solution upto now... Harvesting the Galaxy every 50,000 years or so.

2) Catalyst was not programmed to Override itself or Destroy itself.
Only organics can use the failsafes, Catalyst says so, it cannot make
the changes only Shepard can.

Now Catalyst says his been changed because of the Crucible and Shepard.
In other words it has been HACKED, and offers Shepard the availabe options.

Shep can, Destroy, Control or try out one of the Catalyst previously failed solutions Synthesis,
which the Catalyst says is the final evolution BUT it had tried it before and FAILED....[/quote]


[/quote]

not bad...it would make sense that the creators of the catalyst had failsaves in place...but could for some reason not execute them in time.

One of the early cycles gets hold on this information and changes the plan of the crucible accordingly.

I think this would fit.

Modifié par maaaze, 27 juillet 2012 - 01:19 .

[comrade gando]

Jassu1979 wrote...

Still trying to rationalize away all the abysmal writing that went into the ending, are you?

it's no use, they either made it stupid and ambiguous on purpose and are jerking everybody's chains, or they really don't know how the heck to end what could have been a masterpiece.

Mass speculation ensues, some about the ending, most about what happened at bioware.

[Mazebook]

comrade gando wrote...

Jassu1979 wrote...

Still trying to rationalize away all the abysmal writing that went into the ending, are you?

it's no use, they either made it stupid and ambiguous on purpose and are jerking everybody's chains, or they really don't know how the heck to end what could have been a masterpiece.

Mass speculation ensues, some about the ending, most about what happened at bioware.

can you please take your unasked opinions somewhere else.

this gets really annoying.

Thank you.

[Seival]

tyrvas wrote...

Seival wrote...

tyrvas wrote...

what about this...

tyrvas wrote...

IMO

Catalyst for Peace = Super Computer Brain (AI), built as part of the Citadel.
Creators add 2 failsafes to Catalyst for Peace,
Override Switch = Control
Shut Down / Kill Switch = Destroy

1) Catalyst was programmed to find a Solution to the organic/synthetic problem,
It's best solution upto now... Harvesting the Galaxy every 50,000 years or so.

2) Catalyst was not programmed to Override itself or Destroy itself.
Only organics can use the failsafes, Catalyst says so, it cannot make
the changes only Shepard can.

Now Catalyst says his been changed because of the Crucible and Shepard.
In other words it has been HACKED, and offers Shepard the availabe options.

Shep can, Destroy, Control or try out one of the Catalyst previously failed solutions Synthesis,
which the Catalyst says is the final evolution BUT it had tried it before and FAILED....

Disagree. You are talking about conventional victory, which is not possible. I strongly believe that any type of conventional victory can only ruin ME Trilogy artistic value.

OK, but I am not talking about conventional victory.
I was just explaining IMO why the RGB options are there.
I did not add refuse because we know the outcome, FLAWED cycle continues.

Well, I can consider successful hack attempt only as a conventional victory. But this is just my opinion.

[Xandurpein]

The Catalyst does contradict itself repeatedly, or so it seems to me. Unless you accept the "bad writing" theory you can't just seize on one quote from the Catalyst as the basis of the argument, you have to devise an explanation that fits ALL he says. Otherwise it's just "my head canon vs your head canon".