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[Mazebook]

elitehunter34 wrote...

Maaze are you going to complain about the people who are off topic or are you going to address the people who address your argument? I raised some counterpoints and you have yet to address it, yet you are complaining about people going off topic. I sincerely hope you aren't just ignoring those who have addressed your points.

sorry ... but i have addressed many things already...and i am about to constantly repeat myself...I will get to your post when i find time...(actually i missed it)...i got sidetracked because the constant ignorant post made me furious...

I will now enjoy a nice day in the sun.

[edit : actually i can´t find your reply...can you show me where it is?]

Modifié par maaaze, 26 juillet 2012 - 05:20 .

[AresKeith]

maaaze wrote...


No they are stating things that are just not true... like it is just a power source...which it is not...it is a little more than that...even more in combination with the citadel.

if people would stop making stuff up...this discussion would be much less confussing.

no is making up anything, the "choices" are on the Citadel, the crucible helps power those chocies except Synthesis which is just plain stupid

so anyone who counters your arguement is making stuff up now?

[Mazebook]

davidshooter wrote...

maaaze wrote...

 

davidshooter wrote...

maaaze wrote...


yes, talking about things unrelated to this thread destroys it.

It speaks volume that the haters can´t stay on topic and always have to make a diversion.

bunch of hypocrites.

So let me get this straight,

you start a thread on whether the final choices originate from the Crucible or the Catalyst.

Someone replies with actual quotes from the Cataylst speaking of the Crucible. 

He then comments on what he thinks they mean and why he thinks there is a problem.

And you reply it's a diversion?

LOL!

 

No...these are diversions.

You didn't quote those posts when you made your comment about diversions.

You quoted the post I described.

Nice try at ..................a diversion though.

i quoted the reply how this thread got destroyed.

man...context...what an odd concept.

[Conniving_Eagle]

Wait... you know what, just forget it, I won't even bother...

[Memnon]

This is where we get to the point that doesn't make sense - colloquially, there is a significant difference between the phrase "a little more" and "it is little more than ..." The Catalyst says, and I've quoted him many times, "It is little more than a power source." To reinforce that point he refers to it as "crude" in the next sentence - when you say "little more" the implication is that it has one primary function and ... well, that's pretty much all it does. What we are being asked to extrapolate here is that the phrase "little more than" refers to the fact that the Crucible not only provides power, but it has the capability to alter the entire functionality of the device which it is powering, which happens to be one of the most advanced technological artifacts in the entire galaxy. That is NOT "little more" level stuff here ...

Modifié par Stornskar, 26 juillet 2012 - 05:02 .

[3DandBeyond]

maaaze wrote...

No they are stating things that are just not true... like it is just a power source...which it is not...it is a little more than that...even more in combination with the citadel.

if people would stop making stuff up...this discussion would be much less confussing.

Please go back and then listen to what the catalyst says.  You believe he's telling the truth and he says it's a power source.  If it is not then he's not being truthful. 

[davidshooter]

maaaze wrote...

davidshooter wrote...

maaaze wrote...

 

davidshooter wrote...

maaaze wrote...


yes, talking about things unrelated to this thread destroys it.

It speaks volume that the haters can´t stay on topic and always have to make a diversion.

bunch of hypocrites.

So let me get this straight,

you start a thread on whether the final choices originate from the Crucible or the Catalyst.

Someone replies with actual quotes from the Cataylst speaking of the Crucible. 

He then comments on what he thinks they mean and why he thinks there is a problem.

And you reply it's a diversion?

LOL!

 

No...these are diversions.

You didn't quote those posts when you made your comment about diversions.

You quoted the post I described.

Nice try at ..................a diversion though.

i quoted the reply how this thread got destroyed.

man...context...what an odd concept.

Context?

Are you for real?

The reply you quoted was in agreement with the points made in the original post it was quoting - against you.

Modifié par davidshooter, 26 juillet 2012 - 05:07 .

[Mazebook]

davidshooter wrote...

maaaze wrote...

davidshooter wrote...

maaaze wrote...

 

davidshooter wrote...

maaaze wrote...


yes, talking about things unrelated to this thread destroys it.

It speaks volume that the haters can´t stay on topic and always have to make a diversion.

bunch of hypocrites.

So let me get this straight,

you start a thread on whether the final choices originate from the Crucible or the Catalyst.

Someone replies with actual quotes from the Cataylst speaking of the Crucible. 

He then comments on what he thinks they mean and why he thinks there is a problem.

And you reply it's a diversion?

LOL!

 

No...these are diversions.

You didn't quote those posts when you made your comment about diversions.

You quoted the post I described.

Nice try at ..................a diversion though.

i quoted the reply how this thread got destroyed.

man...context...what an odd concept.

Context?

Are you for real?

The reply you quoted was in agreement with the points made in the original post it was quoting - against you.

No, it was unrelated. 

[3DandBeyond]

maaaze wrote...

No, it was unrelated. 

Ok, I finally get the whole reason for this thread.  It's not to actually discuss the topic.  It's just to get people worked up because you won't discuss the subject so you can shoot them down.  With any luck it'll be locked real soon since the OP has no interest in discussing the topic he created.

The kid says the crucible is a power source.  You believe he doesn't lie.  If you believe it is not a power source, then he's lying.

[Mazebook]

Stornskar wrote...

This is where we get to the point that doesn't make sense - colloquially, there is a significant difference between the phrase "a little more" and "it is little more than ..." The Catalyst says, and I've quoted him many times, "It is little more than a power source." To reinforce that point he refers to it as "crude" in the next sentence - when you say "little more" the implication is that it has one primary function and ... well, that's pretty much all it does. What we are being asked to extrapolate here is that the phrase "little more than" refers to the fact that the Crucible not only provides power, but it has the capability to alter the entire functionality of the device which it is powering, which happens to be one of the most advanced technological artifacts in the entire galaxy. That is NOT "little more" level stuff here ...

good reply...gets to the meat of this thread.

the crucible and the citadel going into a symbiose. the crucible was intended to end the cycle.

it does this by using the citadel. so the crucible was designed to access these function of the citadel which were made possible by the crucible.

"it is a little more than a power source. However in combination with the citadel..."

The crucible did exactly what the designers intended.

it altered the citadel. thus creating these choises.

so these choices originated from the crucible.

[Mazebook]

3DandBeyond wrote...

maaaze wrote...

No, it was unrelated. 

Ok, I finally get the whole reason for this thread.  It's not to actually discuss the topic.  It's just to get people worked up because you won't discuss the subject so you can shoot them down.  With any luck it'll be locked real soon since the OP has no interest in discussing the topic he created.

The kid says the crucible is a power source.  You believe he doesn't lie.  If you believe it is not a power source, then he's lying.

it is a LITTLE MORE THAN a power source...stop misquoting!

[davidshooter]

maaaze wrote...


No, it was unrelated. 

Dude WTF are you talking about?

The guy quoted a post refuting your point of view and commented that it destroyed the premise of your thread.

You quoted that comment as well as the original argument against you and called it a diversion.

Wow, just  wow.

[tyrvas]

@ maaaze

IMO

Catalyst for Peace = Super Computer Brain (AI), built as part of the Citadel.
Creators add 2 failsafes to Catalyst for Peace,
Override Switch = Control
Shut Down / Kill Switch = Destroy

1) Catalyst was programmed to find a Solution to the organic/synthetic problem,
It's best solution upto now... Harvesting the Galaxy every 50,000 years or so.

2) Catalyst was not programmed to Override itself or Destroy itself.
Only organics can use the failsafes, Catalyst says so, it cannot make
the changes only Shepard can.

Now Catalyst says his been changed because of the Crucible and Shepard.
In other words it has been HACKED, and offers Shepard the availabe options.

Shep can, Destroy, Control or try out one of the Catalyst previously failed solutions Synthesis,
which the Catalyst says is the final evolution BUT it had tried it before and FAILED....
.

Modifié par tyrvas, 26 juillet 2012 - 05:22 .

[Uncle Jo]

maaaze wrote...

Uncle Jo wrote...

maaaze wrote...

i did not speak to anyone specifically... i was talking about argueing through diversion...motivated by hating.

So anyone who doesn't agree with you is a hater?

no! where did i say that?

Speculationz !

More seriously I read your posts and threads for a while and every time where people don't agree with you (which happens very often) they're either haters, deluded, not intelligent enough to understand the endings, hypocrites and so on...
I've never seen you acknowledging the opinion or conclusions of the others, unless they accord to yours.

In this thread, no one agreed with your statements (what a surprise). Not a single person. And they provided compelling arguments.

For example:

"How could the designers of the crucible could implant a magical elevator in the Citadel (Reaper design) that lifts you up to the decision chamber without even knowing that the catalyst exists or the very existence of this room ?"

"How could he not know about the destroy and control devices which are located on the citadel, his home ?"

"Why would the designers create a Crucible that offers Synthesis as option?"

This can't be accepted by any one without doing an incredible mental gymnastic. No, actually, no one can buy this.It's not suspenson of disbelief, it'a suspension of thinking.

[3DandBeyond]

maaaze wrote...

3DandBeyond wrote...

maaaze wrote...

No, it was unrelated. 

Ok, I finally get the whole reason for this thread.  It's not to actually discuss the topic.  It's just to get people worked up because you won't discuss the subject so you can shoot them down.  With any luck it'll be locked real soon since the OP has no interest in discussing the topic he created.

The kid says the crucible is a power source.  You believe he doesn't lie.  If you believe it is not a power source, then he's lying.

it is a LITTLE MORE THAN a power source...stop misquoting!

I didn't state a direct quote.  A direct quote uses quotation marks-these things  " ".  And you misstated it to.  He says it is little more than, not a little more than, so please when correcting others on things that don't need correcting, correcct yourself first on the same things that don't need correcting.  Clear?

If indeed it is anything more than a power source then it again suffers from the original non-EC crucible's problems.  People would have to know how to assemble, how to make the tech involved.  However, it doesn't matter even whether the crucible makes the poop or the citadel makes the poop, the only being that ever steps out and says he knows what the crucible does and knows about the choices and takes ownership of the choices is the kid.

His old solution (the reapers) won't work.  He has new solutions (the 3 choices).  Note the lack of quotation marks since these are not direct quotes.  The choices solve his purpose and his goal.  They are not there to solve Shepard's goal.  The kid doesn't say the solutions are there for Shepard or they are Shepard's solution or the crucible is giving Shepard solutions.  The crucible has given the kid solutions.  Uh, can't be from his creators since he screwed them over.  Can't be from some other organics because they wouldn't be giving the kid new solutions and wouldn't even know about him at all.  So who decided to create the crucible in order to give the kid new solutions?

Again, he knows the origins of the crucible and has always known about it-he does not fully disclose where it came from so what is he hiding?  If he's truthful and it's to be used for some good, then why not say so?

Modifié par 3DandBeyond, 26 juillet 2012 - 05:34 .

[Mazebook]

Uncle Jo wrote...

maaaze wrote...

Uncle Jo wrote...

maaaze wrote...

i did not speak to anyone specifically... i was talking about argueing through diversion...motivated by hating.

So anyone who doesn't agree with you is a hater?

no! where did i say that?

Speculationz !

More seriously I read your posts and threads for a while and every time where people don't agree with you (which happens very often) they're either haters, deluded, not intelligent enough to understand the endings, hypocrites and so on...
I've never seen you acknowledging the opinion or conclusions of the others, unless they accord to yours.

In this thread, no one agreed with your statements (what a surprise). Not a single person. And they provided compelling arguments.

For example:

"How could the designers of the crucible could implant a magical elevator in the Citadel (Reaper design) that lifts you up to the decision chamber without even knowing that the catalyst exists or the very existence of this room ?"

"How could he not know about the destroy and control devices which are located on the citadel, his home ?"

"Why would the designers create a Crucible that offers Synthesis as option?"

This can't be accepted by any one without doing an incredible mental gymnastic. No, actually, no one can buy this.It's not suspenson of disbelief, it'a suspension of thinking.

if someone gets ignorant...i get angry.

I replied to all these arguements which are based on misinformation or are entirely baseless...

but for you i will repeat what i said ...one ...more ... time


"How could the designers of the crucible could implant a magical elevator in the Citadel (Reaper design) that lifts you up to the decision chamber without even knowing that the catalyst exists or the very existence of this room ?" 

the room is not important...it just the place where the crucible docks.

"How could he not know about the destroy and control devices which are located on the citadel, his home ?" 

the crucible repurposed these devices...they had different function originaly

"Why would the designers create a Crucible that offers Synthesis as option?" 

One cycle maybe did just like the idea.

This can't be accepted by any one without doing an incredible mental gymnastic. No, actually, no one can buy this.It's not suspenson of disbelief, it'a suspension of thinking. 

it is common sense...

i already answered all these earlier ...read the whole thread...god damit...

[Kamfrenchie]

maaaze wrote...

There is no evidence that the Catalyst creates these choices.

none. it makes no sense that he created these choises.

He just explains what the crucible does.

If the idea of synthesis was intended as a use of the crucible by its designers is debatable.

but destroy and control are not. these option originate from the Crucible and its designers.

So please, stop pretending otherwise.

thank you.

so it's pure coincidence that one of th solution is the catalyst dream ? is it the cucible that raises the platform to access those choices ? or to bring shepard up ? and wy would the ccles design the crucible to do 3 things ?

They wanted to stop  the reapers from killing them, not become reaper king, as those who wanted were indoctrinated.

[Mazebook]

3DandBeyond wrote...

maaaze wrote...

3DandBeyond wrote...

maaaze wrote...

No, it was unrelated. 

Ok, I finally get the whole reason for this thread.  It's not to actually discuss the topic.  It's just to get people worked up because you won't discuss the subject so you can shoot them down.  With any luck it'll be locked real soon since the OP has no interest in discussing the topic he created.

The kid says the crucible is a power source.  You believe he doesn't lie.  If you believe it is not a power source, then he's lying.

it is a LITTLE MORE THAN a power source...stop misquoting!

I didn't state a direct quote.  A direct quote uses quotation marks-these things  " ".  And you misstated it to.  He says it is little more than, not a little more than, so please when correcting others on things that don't need correcting, correcct yourself first on the same things that don't need correcting.  Clear?

when you beginn with ...the kid says...it is a quote...even without "..."

but yeah you are right it is not "a little more than" it is "little more than"...which makes only a minor difference.

[ZLurps]

I have seen some weird stuff in BSN before, but this is really sad.

Modifié par ZLurps, 26 juillet 2012 - 05:35 .

[Mazebook]

Kamfrenchie wrote...

maaaze wrote...

There is no evidence that the Catalyst creates these choices.

none. it makes no sense that he created these choises.

He just explains what the crucible does.

If the idea of synthesis was intended as a use of the crucible by its designers is debatable.

but destroy and control are not. these option originate from the Crucible and its designers.

So please, stop pretending otherwise.

thank you.

so it's pure coincidence that one of th solution is the catalyst dream ? is it the cucible that raises the platform to access those choices ? or to bring shepard up ? and wy would the ccles design the crucible to do 3 things ?

They wanted to stop  the reapers from killing them, not become reaper king, as those who wanted were indoctrinated.

so it's pure coincidence that one of th solution is the catalyst dream ?  

yes in low ems it is not even possible

 is it the cucible that raises the platform to access those choices ?  

yes...it would make sense to allow access to the crucible after you opened the arms

and wy would the ccles design the crucible to do 3 things ? 

do you mean ccles = catalyst ? yes it would make no sense for the catalyst to design 3 choices.



They wanted to stop  the reapers from killing them, not become reaper king, as those who wanted were indoctrinated. 

many cycles believed controlling the reapers was the way to go...including the illusive man.

Modifié par maaaze, 26 juillet 2012 - 05:37 .

[Memnon]

maaaze wrote...

it is a LITTLE MORE THAN a power source...stop misquoting!

You responded to my post, but didn't address what I was talking about - read it again. You are misquoting the Catalyst. Specifically:

Shepard: What do you know about the Crucible?

Catalyst: The device that you know as the Crucible is little more than a power source. However, in combination with the Citadel and the relays, it is capable of releasing trememdous amounts of energy throughout the galaxy. It is crude, but effective and adaptive in its design.

Shepard: Who designed it?

Catalyst: You would not know them, and there is not enough time to explain

Again, I'll restate what I said - there is a significant difference between saying it is "a little more than" and it is "little more than."

[elitehunter34]

Maaze my reply is on page 6 right below one of your posts.
Also the Catalyst does in fact say the Crucible is "little more than a power source."
I am not trying to insult or patronize you, but I remember you saying somewhere that English is not your first language.  I don't know if it's the same for other languages, but in English saying "little more than a power source." is A LOT different than saying "a little more than a power source."  Saying the Crucible is "little more than a power source is basically saying that the Crucible is a power source and nothing more.  Adding the "a" would be saying it is a lot more than a power source.  It's an English idiom.

So because the Catalyst doesn't add the "a" he is really trying to say that the Crucible is basically a power source.  I don't see how it matters either way though, it's not really important to what I'm saying at least.

[Mazebook]

Stornskar wrote...

maaaze wrote...

it is a LITTLE MORE THAN a power source...stop misquoting!

You responded to my post, but didn't address what I was talking about - read it again. You are misquoting the Catalyst. Specifically:

Shepard: What do you know about the Crucible?

Catalyst: The device that you know as the Crucible is little more than a power source. However, in combination with the Citadel and the relays, it is capable of releasing trememdous amounts of energy throughout the galaxy. It is crude, but effective and adaptive in its design.

Shepard: Who designed it?

Catalyst: You would not know them, and there is not enough time to explain

Again, I'll restate what I said - there is a significant difference between saying it is "a little more than" and it is "little more than."

yes there is a difference .. a minor one... like i stated in my reply...the crucible alters the citadel...that is fact.

little more is still more than only.

[Memnon]

maaaze wrote...

yes there is a difference .. a minor one... like i stated in my reply...the crucible alters the citadel...that is fact.

little more is still more than only.

My point is that it is not a minor one - colloquially, those two phrases are VASTLY different.

[Kamfrenchie]

maaaze wrote...

Kamfrenchie wrote...

maaaze wrote...

There is no evidence that the Catalyst creates these choices.

none. it makes no sense that he created these choises.

He just explains what the crucible does.

If the idea of synthesis was intended as a use of the crucible by its designers is debatable.

but destroy and control are not. these option originate from the Crucible and its designers.

So please, stop pretending otherwise.

thank you.

so it's pure coincidence that one of th solution is the catalyst dream ? is it the cucible that raises the platform to access those choices ? or to bring shepard up ? and wy would the ccles design the crucible to do 3 things ?

They wanted to stop  the reapers from killing them, not become reaper king, as those who wanted were indoctrinated.

so it's pure coincidence that one of th solution is the catalyst dream ?  

yes in low ems it is not even possible

 is it the cucible that raises the platform to access those choices ?  

yes...it would make sense to allow access to the crucible after you opened the arms

and wy would the ccles design the crucible to do 3 things ? 

do you mean ccles = catalyst ? yes it would make no sense for the catalyst to design 3 choices.



They wanted to stop  the reapers from killing them, not become reaper king, as those who wanted were indoctrinated. 

many cycles believed controlling the reapers was the way to go...including the illusive man.

1) that's irrelevant. Fact i, intct crucible allow for the atalyst wildest dream to cme true, it's not a coincidence, it's proof th choice comes from the catalyst

2) No, why would it raises the platform only after the talk with th catalyst ? why would ther be a gap in the firt place?

3) ccls = cycles
Itmakes 0 sense for them to design 3 choices. The cucibleis supposed to be a weapon to destroy the reapers.

TIM isn't a cycle, h's indoctrinated/stupid and only indoctrinated people belived control was the soution, VEndetta says it.
And there i no proof any other cycle thought control was the solution.
What kind of madman sees a plan to destoy thir enemies, and go " let's make it able to control them " ? no one.


But hey, you're prtty much indoctrinated.
You called me a hiner because I said Bioware betrayed their prmises to the fans...