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[Erucolindo]

After once again gazing lustfully at the Rose Dagger in Orzimmar, I have to finally ask how in the Nine Hells anyone can buy such a dagger.

I've heard people say something to the effect of "loot every chest, sell everything" and i've heard about various vendor "exploits"(These may not be exploits, that's up for debate i guess).

As for selling everything that I can't use, I do, but most of the stuff I get from those chest doesn't go for much. Most expensive stuff i've ever sold was heavy armor, around 1 to 2 gold.

So I ask you players and Devs, how does one make enough gold to buy something like the Rose Dagger or the Lifeggiver ring? 

For arguements sake, let's assume that the various vendor tricks are exploits and not something the devs intended for us to use as a way to make money. So how can we make money the "old fashioned way" and afford something over 100 gold?

[eschilde]

You asking for rewards when you quest? Dwarven merchant belt helps, too.

[Sidney]

Sell everything. People get all obsessive about selling stuff. Face it, you will use 1 or maybe 2 high end suits of armor. Sell the others. Quests for all the Chanters and Irregulars and Collective pay off in gold. They add up, do them.



Spend wisely. The difference between a 3 gp master run and a 12 gp grandmaster rune is not a factor of 4x. There are a lot of weapons you can buy but most are not better than those you find or get made for free. Don't buy weapons other than super-duper special ones.



Odd big money opportunities:



There is a Lyrium Dealer in Dust Town that allows you to make a big chunk o' change BUT you must already have some good money in order to buy his stash and smuggle it. If you talk to him w/o the proper gold you lose the opportunity. If you are a rogue there are some theft quests in Denerim.

[Sensorie]

Herbalism, Potent Lyrium Potions.

Buy the ingredients in bulk, create the potions, sell them.

[sinosleep]

Any time I've ever completed a main questline I've sold enough stuff to earn at least 60 gold, sometimes more. So every playthrough I've bought at least 3 100+ gold items.

[atnexus]

I've been able to accumulate over 800 gold on my playthroughs, I think I might get over 900 on my current one, without any exploits.

[Atmosfear3]

Most runes arent that effective anyways except maybe the % resist runes. The only good runes are the master/grandmaster ones, the rest you can sell unless you like to see everyone in your party with glowing weapons.

[Sylvius the Mad]

Selling everything you can't use can cost you money. You should sell things you won't use. If you fine a great longbow but you can't use it without increasing your dex 6 points, don't sell it. Hold onto it for two levels and then use it. That will save you buying a new one.

And there are some big money quests in the game.  There's one quest alone that netted me 48 gold, and all it took was a couple of persuade checks and a bit of travelling.  Thie fight or take money choices are also very lucrative if you're willing to forego the XP.

Modifié par Sylvius the Mad, 19 décembre 2009 - 06:46 .

[grevinilvic]

ok if you want a cheat here it is . it will lvl your guys and give you 50 silver and 100 xp for every 3 traps you sell to girl in lothering. have a trap maker in your party , but as many traps as you like make them then sell them to her . you can do it as much as you like but uyou stop lvling at 25. it take a wile

[castaftw]

The smuggle lyrium quest picked up in dust town will net a lot more money with a high persuade skill. Later in the game you will find a lot of silverite or better armor which is worth a lot, be sure to pick it up and haul to the vendor. Magic arrows and bolts are also worth quite a bit.

[mousestalker]

The way I look at it is to think about what you need for each of the main quests. The Dalish elf quest you either negotiate a settlement or you massacre elves or werewolves. Decide which outcome you want. The negotiations do not require good gear. In Orzammar and the Deep Roads you want anti darkspawn gear, which you can handle with runes. Redcliffe you want anti-undead gear, which is also doable with runes. The Tower quest is all about magic. Poison (magebane and deathroot) and resists are the way to go here.

I never buy weapons or armour at merchants until the end. The Juggernaught quest nets you some very fine armour. Ancient Elven Armour is available for magi. Dwarven Legion Armour is pretty good and is questable. Your dog finds the helmet to complete the Effort armour, so that's free! Corruption drops off of a darkspawn at Fort Drakon.

If you have the DLC, Starfang is the best sword in the game and you can get it for one minor quest and no cash. It only takes 10 gold for Wade to put forth his best efforts and make superior armour (3 sets).

As for poultices, I never use salves unless it's a dragon fight (Urn, Flemeth or archdemon). What I do use is lyrium potions, health poultices and lesser injury kits. These you can make yourself. Wynne and Morrigan make excellent herbalists. Lelianna and Zevran make great poisoners. If you go the crafting route to save cash, the camp merchants are pricey. The Dalish merchant sells unlimited deathroot and elfroot at the lowest prices. The bartender at the Gnawed nobleman does the same for flasks, concentrator, corruptor and distallation agents. The best price on lyrium is found at the circle of magi. Ruck has the best price on deep mushrooms.

If you are a dwarf noble, Gorim in the Denerim market will buy from you at a substantially higher price than anyone else. Otherwise, I generally pick one merchant and only sell to them. That way if I accidentally sell something I actually want, I know where to find it. My favourite merchant is Levi Dryden. He doesn't say very much when you talk to him about buying and selling.

As for raising money, Allison in Lothering has a repeatable traps quest. I find it mind numblingly dull, but some people enjoy making cheap traps and selling them for tiny amounts of profit and xp. If you choose reward in Asunder you get 25 gold. There is a lyrium smuggling quest in Dust Town that will net you at least 40 gold, but you need to have 50 gold to start (less if you have good persuade skills). Chanter quests pay off well usually. The Slim Couldry quests pay very well.

Don't be shy about asking for rewards when you rescue small children or defeat darkspawn. Humans pay off best, dwarf nobles pay off the least.

The main thing to remember is that none of that is especially important. The archdemon doesn't care if you have 1 gold in your pocket or 1,000 gold.

Modifié par mousestalker, 19 décembre 2009 - 12:46 .

[Sarevok Anchev]

The bad thing is: Most things you sell, arent almost worth anything.

The good thing: Most things you can buy, arent worth to be buyed.



Only thing you need to buy: Some Runes, Some unique Items, Skill/Talent books.



What can really chip away your money are the books:

- Attribute books arent worth the 15 GP. You will only get 1(sic!) point. Useless!

- Skill books: C'mon! For what you need this? Your main char needs only the normal points +

the other stuff can be taken by your companions. Only useful for Rogue-chars(but not necessary)

-Talent/Spell-books: The talent ones are only necessary for Rogues. The Rogue in my party (me,Zevran or Leliana) will get maybe 2, so they can take Lockpick/Stealth btw. without loosing

battle effectiveness.

The Spell books you will only need, if you play with only 1 Mage in your party. 2 Mages can deal without them.



Brewing potions and selling them isnt really worth, because the flasks and other ingredients are rare to find and cost you much more, then you earn by selling the Potions/Salves etc.

(And ofc its a pain in the a55)

[Fleapants]

Actually, potent lyrium pots sells for 125% of what it takes to make them, but it's obviously an oversight. It's faster to enable the console and enter the gold you want than making endless travels between the circle tower and gnawed noble inn.

[knownastherat]

First I felt the same as OP .. where do I get the gold for expensive items? Then I got the gold, got the items, and then I realized what I was actually paying for: semi-god gear. Reminded me of getting Robe of Vecna, Ring of Gaxx, Staff of the Magi, Amulet of Power and Boots of Speed on sorcerer in BG2.



My opinion is that acquiring (the best) gear should only be possible through questing, not purchases (this goes for MMOs too), but I guess: a) It does not matter if one gets hold of the gear by playing the game or playing the game collecting loot then buying the gear its a trend to be able to buy "uber" gear, be it with real or virtual money.



Early on having 50g and Coercion IV or Coercion and high cunning allows for picking Lyrium from Dust Town (Precious Metal quest) for 40g, then selling it in to the guy in the Mage Tower for 65g, then getting additional 8g? from from him through convo, then getting 25g more for returning back to Dust Town. Lets see .. 25 + 8 + 25 is 58 + 50 initial thats 108 gold which then can be spend on items making the game almost trivial at that point.



The good thing is it is an option to buy the epic items. One can choose not to buy them and use gold for trap blueprints or poison and pot formulas for example allowing for different experience from playing the game.

[swk3000]

knownastherat: Your math is wrong. Here's how you calculate it.

Money Made
65 Gold - Get Godwin to pay out the nose for the Lyrium. Must have a high Persuade skill.
8 Gold - Blackmail Godwin after giving him the Lyrium.
25 Gold - Delivery Fee from Rogek. Must have a high Persuade skill.

Money Spent
40 Gold - Used to buy the Lyrium from Rogek. Must have a high Persuade skill.

Profit is Money Made minus Money Spent. Money Made is 65+8+25=98 Gold. Money Spent is 40 Gold. Total Profit is 98-40=58 Gold.

To be honest, the Lyrium Smuggling is nice for getting most of the money to get one item, but if you want several items, then you'll want to get one of your team members to Master Herbalism. Buy the recipe for Potent Lyrium Potions from the Wonders of Thedas, then get the ingredients. They can be found as follows:

Concentrator Agent - Gnawed Noble Tavern
Distillation Agent - Gnawed Noble Tavern
Lyrium Dust - Circle Tower
Flask - You have a choice. You can get them at the Gnawed Noble Tavern, but they can be bought for less in Figor's Imports in the Orzammar Commons. However, you have to get rid of the people blackmailing him without scaring him off in order to access his shop. Buying at the Gnawed Noble Tavern will still allow you to turn a profit, and save you the extra trip to Orzammar.

Once you've got the items, just make Potent Lyrium Potions and sell them. Once you've used up all the materials, get some more and repeat.

Also, if you're a Dwarven Noble, sell to Gorim. He pays you double what anyone else would for anything you sell him, so you'll make a ton of money selling to him.

[knownastherat]

Thats what I said 58g or ..? 108g it total available after the quest with the initial 50g needed to start the quest, but perhaps I did not make myself clear enough.

Personally, I'd rather use console than "the Lyrium smuggling", which I have done through thousands of clicks before to get over 2000g, but it is a matter of preference. Now I just play and buy what I got gold for without being concerned about the epic items too much. That is for full party play-through where the epics are not needed to complete nor to enjoy the game.

Modifié par knownastherat, 19 décembre 2009 - 02:51 .

[Cybercat999]

Just doing several totally legal side quests in the game can net you enough gold to buy that dagger. If you happen to be a rogue its even easier.

[MOTpoetryION]

I agree about the belt it helps alot imo

[Sarevok Anchev]

The Great Lyrium Potion "exploit" is really a pain.

You must sell at least 50 Potions, so you will get the Money back(about 10 g) that

you paid for the Potion recipe :-/

[trh5001]

Theft helps alot even if your not a Rogue get pickpocketing with Leliana or Zevran and just rob everyone blind since its stupid easy.

[Sarevok Anchev]

trh5001 wrote...

Theft helps alot even if your not a Rogue get pickpocketing with Leliana or Zevran and just rob everyone blind since its stupid easy.

Yea, im using this always.

But be CAREFUL in Lothering! If you steal some times at least two questgivers wont talk to you!
The old women asking for Poultices and the women, who needs traps(especially if you want to use the trap-exploit for limitless money and XP)

And in Denerim you will get attacked twice by about 16 City-guards at once(sic!)

[tetracycloide]

In my current play through my character has the following stats:

Money on hand: 71 69 06
Money spent: 496 24 70
Items crafted: 4
World explored: 59%
Amount of Dragon Age: Origins complete: 34%
Bosses killed: 11
Most powerful: Gaxkang the Unbound (also flemeth, high dragon, 4 of 6 revenants)

With that items crafted amount it's clear i'm not using exploits and you'll have to take my word I'm not using the console.

What am I doing?

Steal from everyone you can as often as possible. With the draven merchant belt equiped i've stolen from every NPC in every area I've been. It may not look like much but 3-50 silver from everyone you see really does add up.  Use quicksaves, stealing only counts against you if you get caught so if you fail just reload.

Don't use items you don't need. I'd rather reload five or six times than just chain chug mana, health, or buff potions. If your party doesn't have a healer this will be more difficult but still doable, focus on spells and talents that reduce incoming damage instead of just offensive power. Disengage and regen naturally as often as possible.

Don't craft anything ever except in the uttermost need. Crafting is, almost always, a loosing bet. Several recipes actually cost more to craft then they do to just buy the finished product, even if several of the ingredients are already in inventory.

Don't save items you'll never use. I maintain a gear set of moderate quality on all of my characters, even the ones I always leave in camp, for plot reasons but I don't store many pieces of equipment long term. So far my philosophy has been that vendors don't loose items after they're sold so always sell to the same person and if you really need something later you can buy it back. So far I haven't had need to buy back anything although I did use a vendor to upgrade a dagger and a crow dagger to tier 7 with 3 rune slots to the tune of 4ish gold. This also applies to poisons and many of the buffing potions, sell the lesser potions as there are literally no fights where the gains from a lesser resistance potion are really the difference between life and death.

Don't buy stuff you don't need. Never buy any non-unique gear unless there's a very good reason, like getting a 3 slot crow dagger before finishing the crow quests. Never buy gifts unless they're plot gifts unless all conversation options have been explored first, a large amount of free favor is available for every companion. Everyone in the party can be outfitted with tier 7 gear from exploration alone, eventually, so be patient.  This applies to backpacks as well, as far as price per use goes the only ones worth picking up are ostagar for like 50 silver.  Your inventory doesn't need to be 120 units to be manageable, I've gotten buy fine with the base 70 by leaving to sell gear and coming back with more space.  (Full disclosure: I have all the DLC which means access to a party chest.  If you don't then backpacks might be worth it for you although you'd probably be better off just selling whatever it is you think you need to keep.  Novice - expert runes, unique armors, and crafting supplies probably aren't really worth saving)

Don't buy books early unless you're a mage. Party members have good lockpicking skills so instead of spending money unlocking it early just clear and area and come back with them. Try to manage skill points between party members so there's as little overlap as possible, you only need one master herbalist or master poison-maker. This should ensure there are enough skill points without books. Just wait for the talents to come in naturally, you really don't need them right away even if you think you do.

Other than that do the things you already know you need to do, go everywhere, do everything, talk to everyone, complete every quest, coerce your rewards to get more money, and open every chest you find and return to chests you cannot open with someone that can. Lastly, be patient. My character didn't get rose's thorn until well after the second treaty quest and when I got it I was back down to 2 gold and thought i'd never be able to get another high end item. I'm now half way through treaty quest 4 and I've spent nearly 500 gold on felon's coat, rose's thorn, andruil's blessing, among other choice items. Be picky with your money and don't waste it.

Modifié par tetracycloide, 19 décembre 2009 - 05:37 .

[Gerunt]

You all forget about one thing from the lyrium quest, if you have a lvl 4 stealing you can steal from 20g from Rogek which adds to the money earned from the quest. Most people forget about it.

[Sarevok Anchev]

^This



Or if you are impatient and greedy, you can kill him and get "only" 20g from his body.



All in all s.o. could amass at least 800-1000g in one playthrough.

[sinosleep]

I just checked the stats on my sword and board playthrough were I didn't do any of the noble tavern, assassin, or crimewave side quests and made 670 gold in that playthrough. Like you guys said, if you add those money making quests along with pickpocketing I can easily see how someone could up that total to above 1000. Not to mention I wasted a decent chunk of change on potion materials in the playthrough since I was use a non heal specced Morigan, Sten, and Leliana with a sword and board PC.