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[Renmiri1]

Would Anders' actions make more sense ?

Hawke's father and sister are mages, her partner is a mage.. Odds of her giving birth to a mage child are very high. Anders is a healer and has A fade spirit inside him. He could have known she was pregnant with a mage kid, before Hawke ever noticed it.

He then flips out because he doesn't want his child to grow up locked in a Circle.. And Justice surely manipulates this fear and  anger into a frenzy. So he blows up the Chantry and sacrifices himself to pay for the murders, without ever talking to Hawke. All to make sure Hawke stays safe  and their child is born in a better world.

That is my headcanon anyway 

Modifié par Renmiri1, 25 juillet 2012 - 09:54 .

[Dwarva]

 Would definitely make for an interesting fanfic 

[Renmiri1]

Ya, plan to start one soon .  Just wanted some feeback on the idea before I start. 

I think it matches very well the dialogs we get. If you look at act 3, Anders change is rather abrubt, like something big happened and he doesn't feel free to talk to anyone, least of all Hawke. Yet you can clearly see he is still crazy for her and ashamed of what he is about to do.

Is hard to imagine a guy who waited 7 years to blow up the Chantry would feel so pressed to do it "right now" unless something / someone very dear to him was at risk. (Or Justice drove him mad but that is not interesting for me to write for).

Modifié par Renmiri1, 25 juillet 2012 - 10:25 .

[thats1evildude]

Blowing up the Chantry was never his end goal, or else he could have easily gathered the ingredients for his mixture at any time.

Anders had been working for years to undermine the templars in conjunction with the Mage Underground. However, his plans changed when the qunari tried to take over Kirkwall. Meredith stepped into the viscount's role and suddenly cracked down harder than ever on mages, purging most of the Underground.

But he was also presented with an opportunity: Meredith was teetering on the brink of madness and the only thing holding her in check was Elthina. Remove her from the equation and Meredith would no doubt call for the Rite of Annulment. Suddenly, no mage in Kirkwall could claim neutrality as they were now all in danger.

If anything, learning that he would become a father would probably de-rail Anders' plans. Betraying Hawke is one thing, but abandoning his kid as well?

[berelinde]

Anders is also a Grey Warden and has been for some time. His chances of getting anyone pregnant are pretty slim. Didn't Morrigan say that Riordan was out of the question because he had been a Warden too long?

Of course, since we're talking about fanfic, that's irrelevant. As long as it makes sense to you, go for it.

[Minttymint]

*starts taking notes for own headcannon* I never thought about Hawke being pregnant, which is strange as i thought about a similar subject for the Warden. Its interesting and it would make a great fanfic (which i would love to read) however there seems to be a few plotholes to take care of first.

[MissRedZelda]

Very well thought out theory. But what if you didn't romance Anders, and went for Fenris or Sebastian? Anders still blows up the Chantry, regardless of if you you romanced him or not.

[LobselVith8]

If my Hawke was pregnant, Merrill would have a lot of questions. He was a guy, after all...

Technically speaking, Anders was trying to provide the road for mages to claim a better world for future generations, and I agreed with his vision of mages being free of the Chantry and the Order of Templars. He saw the dark side of the Chantry controlled Circles, victims like Karl who were stripped of their humanity, and potential victims like Ella who would have lost everything if not for Hawke and Anders.

He makes it clear that, like the historical Aldenon the Great, he views the Chantry controlled Circles to be slavery. He wants equality - he says that the elves should also fight for their rights alongside the mages. Why wouldn't he do everything in his power to emancipate his people from a tyrannical system of dictatorship that has brutalized his people for nearly a millennia? If Anders was involved with a female Hawke who was pregnant, I can see Anders resolving himself to end the Chantry controlled Circles so his child would be born into the world free, instead of being born into servitude.

Good luck with the fan fic!

[CuriousArtemis]

It would also be a shocker for my Hawke to be pregnant cause he, too, is a dude  Also if anyone's getting pregnant in that relationship, it's Fenris.



As for Anders x Preggo!Fem!Hawke, go for it!  I like the idea of him realizing she's pregnant (before even she realizes it) and that spurring him on into action.  That is really all you need to get the creative juices flowing when it comes to fanfic. Don't worry about the hard-liners; there will aways be readers who nitpick you about the silly little things.  

[Renmiri1]

Good point on the Warden taint. Will probably need to think of something to plug that plothole.

As for being a father making Anders deranged, that is the idea. It is weird how he waits 3 years to act against Meredith. Something changed.. on the story we get hints he is losing his mind to Justice/ Vengeance, but I think it is more fun and romantic if his human side suddenly  has an urgent  reason to "flip": a child to be born in this Circle slavery.

Modifié par Renmiri1, 26 juillet 2012 - 10:39 .

[LobselVith8]

Renmiri1 wrote...

Good point on the Warden taint. Will probably need to think of something to plug that plothole.

As for being a father making Anders deranged, that is the idea. It is weird how he waits 3 years to act against Meredith. Something changed.. on the story we get hints he is losing his mind to Justice/ Vengeance, but I think it is more fun and romantic if his human side suddenly  has an urgent  reason to "flip": a child to be born in this Circle slavery.

Anders' symbiosis with Justice could make the taint irrelevant; the developers have admitted he may not even succumb to the darkspawn corruption because of his nature as an abomination.

[SgtElias]

This idea has always been a part of my official headcanon; the "having a child" part, anyway. I'd always assumed that Anders and my Mage Hawke would eventually have a kid, though I believe I thought it more likely to occur in the shadowy, unknown time-frame between one game and the next.

Still, your idea is pretty cool; write that fanfic! Write it, I say!

[blueumi]

well I would love that but wardens can't have kids unless they know a spell which I don't think they know

[LobselVith8]

blueumi wrote...

well I would love that but wardens can't have kids unless they know a spell which I don't think they know

The taint makes it more difficult for a Grey Warden to have a child, but it's only impossible for two Grey Wardens to have a child together. The Warden can impregnate Morrigan without the Dark Ritual, so it isn't impossible for a Grey Warden to have a child with a non-Grey Warden.

[Huntress]

Renmiri1 wrote...

Would Anders' actions make more sense ?

Hawke's father and sister are mages, her partner is a mage.. Odds of her giving birth to a mage child are very high. Anders is a healer and has A fade spirit inside him. He could have known she was pregnant with a mage kid, before Hawke ever noticed it.

He then flips out because he doesn't want his child to grow up locked in a Circle.. And Justice surely manipulates this fear and  anger into a frenzy. So he blows up the Chantry and sacrifices himself to pay for the murders, without ever talking to Hawke. All to make sure Hawke stays safe  and their child is born in a better world.

That is my headcanon anyway 

Ander's action made sense before hawke got Pregnant.. but what will it do to Fenris?.. for him to know he has a son or daughter who has a 90% probability of being a mage.. omg totally cute!

Modifié par Huntress, 27 juillet 2012 - 01:55 .

[hobbit of the shire]

A warden isn't entirely impotent. However, given that Anders is a healer (and has Fade Spirit wackiness in him), perhaps he has a better chance of being virile? Yeah, so if there are healer mages with the Taint, could some of their magic help to resist the Taint? Could they live longer??? I'm just making stuff up but that could be a reason why a senior warden could still have good chances of making baby wardens.

[Renmiri1]

Huntress wrote...

Ander's action made sense before hawke got Pregnant.. but what will it do to Fenris?.. for him to know he has a son or daughter who has a 90% probability of being a mage.. omg totally cute!

Oooo, ya that would be an awesome story too. Fenris being the father of a little mage would be soo cute!   Go ahead and use it if you want, the more DA2 fanfic the merrier! 


@Hobbit - From what I understand, wardens are far from impotent 

Modifié par Renmiri1, 27 juillet 2012 - 08:49 .

[cowoline]

Pregnancy issue:

1. It is never said that wardens can't have children, just that it is highly unlikely.
2. In Awakening you meet a wardens wife who talked about them planning on having children later.
3. Riordan has been tainted for nearly 30 years. We have no definition on when it's to late for a warden to have children,
4. In the calling Fiona gets infected by a trinket and removes the taint. We have no idea how Justice affects Anders in this regard.

Conclusion never say never in the dragon age universe

[Renmiri1]

I also just realized that Isabella has a fertility charm that you find for her on chapter 3. That could work.. Hawke keeps it on her pouch to give it to Isabella later and it gives her some extra help on that area ^^

[ValliLilli]

If he knew about the child, he would probabely have a moment of hesitation and then do blow up the Chantry anyway. It's his main motivation to see all mages free, he would like the same for his child. Besides Justice would probabely push for this plan even more, seeing the kid as even bigger distracton.

If Hawke was angry with him he would try to excuse himsef with something like "You spent all your life running. Your parents sacrificed everything to keep you and your siblings safe. Do you want the same for our child?"

Good luck with the fic, hope you will post link later.

[Renmiri1]

I started the fic, still have to finish it

http://www.fanfictio...er-Taunt-a-Mage

Modifié par Renmiri1, 12 décembre 2012 - 07:21 .

[CENIC]

The concept of ANY female Hawke concieving a mage child is pretty interesting to me, given the events that would be affecting the world at the time. What if a pro-templar Hawke produced a mage? It's very probable, given her bloodline. A favorite headcanon of mine to chew on is that a Hawke who romanced Sebastian, sided with the templars, and became Viscountess of Kirkwall/Princess of Starkhaven has a mage son in the middle of the Mage/Templar War. A mage heir to the thrones of TWO influential Free March cities! That would cause some conflict, for sure.

[Isaantia]

Well twins run in the family. So maybe she'd have fraternal twins, one with magic and one without. A pair of abomination twins.