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[FlamboyantRoy]

Poison_Berrie wrote...

FlamboyantRoy wrote...

Ask Upinya, he went to Comicon and confirmed that they do listen to the forums/community. They see the nerf threads and that's where the downfall of w/e the puritans are burning begins. 

But what you are saying is that they only listen selectively. Also the idea that this is the only basis or measure for changes.
There's been loads of balance changes requests (both buffs and nerfs) that have been posted, more than there have been changes to the game. Hence there must be more criteria than just; "they made a nerf thread about it".

  If I had a penny for everytime someone misunderstood me. Where did I say that? Show me in that post where I said that they "only listen selectively, and that it's the only basis for measure for changes". Once again you fill in invisible blanks and leave yourself in the dark. I said these nerf threads are where the downfall begins, I'm sure not every single time, but I'm willing to bet a good chunk of it. Or they look at threads praising a weapon (I'm looking at you Piranha Appreciation thread) It gets their wheels turning, so they look at the forum post and at games themselves and then hopefully do a field test, they see what they want to see and then something gets disproportionally nerfed, most of the time. 

Like Sniper damage for example. Or the Kishock nerf.  Or the TC nerf that didn't even accomplish what it set out to do. Or the indirect nerf to all powers and weapons when the Geth and Cerberus got  buffs. Not to mention Platinum difficulty. If these people want "balance" so badly perhaps they should consider getting their foot out of their mouths. 

Edit: For closure and clarity.

Modifié par FlamboyantRoy, 26 juillet 2012 - 02:57 .

[smyss]

+1

[3XT3RM1N4TUS]

Lulz

[DanielsMind]

AGREED BUFF EVERYTHING!!

[defleshing]

more ammo and a flame attachment just for lols

[Kyerea]

My hero.

[N00813]

Yes!

Why not?
It's a co-op game.

[defleshing]

i like that this thread has 5 stars and the one its aimed at only has 4 good stuff.

[kevchy]

I needed to aim with this gun. Buff it so that it can deal AoE damage when fired in a general direction!

[Aethyl]

kevchy wrote...

I needed to aim with this gun. Buff it so that it can deal AoE damage when fired in a general direction!

+1

This shotgun need explosive slugs.

Modifié par Aethyl, 26 juillet 2012 - 10:03 .

[SkreeMalicious]

buff all the things, please

[Heldarion]

SkreeMalicious wrote...

buff all the things, please

Let me rephrase that:

Buff ALL the things!

[BlazingZephyr]

Why must people go on about the nerfing of all these new good weapons? The good ones should NOT be touched. There are multiple older weapons that are complete junk, most of them rares and ultra-rares (GPR, Locust, Kishock, Striker, Javelin). Instead of actually balancing, BioWare is introducing new, great weapons, then killing them because they are labelled as "OP" by "Balancers". What they SHOULD be doing is looking back at these other weapons of similar rarity and boost them to a similar level of usefulness for their class.

A great example is the entire AR category. New weapons like the Harrier and Typhoon make ARs viable, but things like the Striker, GPR, and (arguably) the Falcon are next to useless. Sure, the URs should be more powerful, but that shouldn't make the rares junk. The uncommon Mattock and Vindicator out-do the these, in my opinion. Does that mean they should be weakened? No, it means the rare ARs need to be strengthened to be "balanced".

The weapons should actually be BALANCED:

Krysae >Widow > Kishock
Solution: Make Kishock useable so all rare SRs are of similar strength

Piranha > other rare shotguns > Discple
Solution: slightly modify Piranha to match other shotguns and buff Disciple (make staggers more likely and increase barrier/shield effectiveness)

Instead of THIS:

Krysae > Widow > Kishock
Solution: Make Krysae weaker than common Mantis.

Piranha > other shotties with DPS-increasing power
Solution: Make Piranha heavier, weaker, slower, and less accurate to drop it below all other rare shotguns.

"Balance it" has just become a euphemism for "nerf it so my weapons can kill better than it". And even the "nerfers" that aren't like that are looking in the wrong direction. Instead of killing these new awesome weapons, we should be reviving these old dying ones.

[Poison_Berrie]

FlamboyantRoy wrote...

If I had a penny for everytime someone misunderstood me. Where did I say that? Show me in that post where I said that they "only listen selectively, and that it's the only basis for measure for changes". Once again you fill in invisible blanks and leave yourself in the dark. I said these nerf threads are where the downfall begins, I'm sure not every single time, but I'm willing to bet a good chunk of it. Or they look at threads praising a weapon (I'm looking at you Piranha Appreciation thread) It gets their wheels turning, so they look at the forum post and at games themselves and then hopefully do a field test, they see what they want to see and then something gets disproportionally nerfed, most of the time. 

Which is the point. These threads might be what might get something looked at, but the actual affermation comes from their statistics and their own tests.
They made get put on track by things we discuss here, but in the end the decision is made because BioWare themself think it needs a buff/nerf/change.

I went through the through the balance changes thread. Falcon, Krysea, Sabotage and TC are the only that one could consider disproprtionally and really none of these are useless.

Like Sniper damage for example. Or the Kishock nerf.  Or the TC nerf that didn't even accomplish what it set out to do. Or the indirect nerf to all powers and weapons when the Geth and Cerberus got  buffs. Not to mention Platinum difficulty. If these people want "balance" so badly perhaps they should consider getting their foot out of their mouths. 

Kishock nerf wasn't a nerf.
Cerberus and Geth buffs were to there for disparrity in the difficulty of the factions (and really did you see the health pool on Geth before the buff).
Sniper Damage was a 140% buff to total damage!

[Immortal Strife]

Based on all the changes I can conclude that Bioware very much listens to forum goers' complaints.

[Zso_Zso]

The homing pellets is a good idea, but each should home to different enemies and explode with an AoE same range as the Cobra. Plus it needs a 300% DoT effect too.

Yup, that will do it.

[HiGamerCAT]

+1