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[CitizenThom]

Eckswhyzed wrote...

Here's my contribution to the growing mass of threads talking about balancing:

If you don't want something to be nerfed, present some evidence it's not OP.

If you don't want me to send you to the bad place, present some evidence that will convince me that I shouldn't. Oh, and I'm sole judge and arbiter of whether you've provided evidence or not.

Sound logical?

[UKStory135]

I was against the TC Evo 6 Nerf because SR's were already weaker than Shotguns on gold, and after seeing what happened to the Krysae, I'm afraid that the Nerf bat is often hitting harder than the buffs.

[rmccowen]

Gadgetmike wrote...



just stop being little Fing baby's...

Okay, I'll bite: who's Fing, and what does his baby have? Don't leave me in suspense!

Thoragoros wrote...

The problem with your suggestion is that most "Pro-Nerfers" usually use arguments similar to:

Nerfer 1: I hate the Typhoon!  What the heck am I supposed to do with my Avenger V that I've been using since day 1 when two people on the team have a damn Typhoon!

Nerfer 2:  All weapons should be totally equal in every situation!  Nerf the Carnifex!

Nerfer 3: I always top the scoreboard except when there's a damn (insert latest dlc class here) on the team!!  Not fair!

In other words, most people crying for nerfs, simply want to "slap" the weapons/classes they simply don't like, or feel outclass the weapons/class they prefer.

Find these "most people", please, because most of the people I see thinking and talking on BSN about game balance are fairly experienced and have reasonably complete manifests, don't want everything to be completely equal in every situation, and don't care about being outscored.

Bonus points if you can find the OP saying anything like that, anywhere. (Hint: you can't.)

[Eckswhyzed]

Perhaps I should have made myself clear: I believe that the burden of proof is on us "nerfers" to prove a weapon is OP. After all, balance changes do take time and effort to implement. However, that also means that anyone who opposes a particular should respond with arguments about balance.

[FlamboyantRoy]

CitizenThom wrote...

Eckswhyzed wrote...

Here's my contribution to the growing mass of threads talking about balancing:

If you don't want something to be nerfed, present some evidence it's not OP.

If you don't want me to send you to the bad place, present some evidence that will convince me that I shouldn't. Oh, and I'm sole judge and arbiter of whether you've provided evidence or not.

Sound logical?

Beautiful.

http://mlkshk.com/r/1VOT

[Optimistman]

Well i'm going to take the advice of others and just stop posting on these nerfing threads.

Let a baby cry and eventually they'll become quiet after noticing no one is paying attention.

[4ut0b4hn5child27]

Please...MAKE IT STOP !!!!

6 Month ago since i starting Play ME3 MP i already knew that there are peoples which have weapon higher damage than me. Yet I didn't even complain about nerfing. until now.

And when the Resurgence pack coming, many of people using Kyrsae, yo uknow what??? I'm happy, because it save us a lot and saving time also. And prevent us from Mission Failed.

Seriously Pro-nerfer....THIS IS CO-OP game. Your goal is to finish the game together, not gaining some score. And THIS IS NOT PVP !!!

Even you have high ranking on the game, what's the point getting score?

as long as you didn't die Noobishly very often especially in Silver / Gold / Platinum, they won't kick you.

I saw Adept which using very low damage weapon and had top score on Gold, while I'm using saber. Then what !!!?? yo uwant to nerf all the Combosplosion too !!!!? 

no !!!

please stop being stubborn. Your Weapon in MP means you finish the game faster!!!

I don't care if the weapon OP, as long it helps you getting the better gun. And save your time in real life so you can going out with your Friends, parents, etc.....

Modifié par 4ut0b4hn5child27, 26 juillet 2012 - 03:45 .

[Dharvy]

rmccowen wrote...

Gadgetmike wrote...



just stop being little Fing baby's...

Okay, I'll bite: who's Fing, and what does his baby have? Don't leave me in suspense!

Thoragoros wrote...

The problem with your suggestion is that most "Pro-Nerfers" usually use arguments similar to:

Nerfer 1: I hate the Typhoon!  What the heck am I supposed to do with my Avenger V that I've been using since day 1 when two people on the team have a damn Typhoon!

Nerfer 2:  All weapons should be totally equal in every situation!  Nerf the Carnifex!

Nerfer 3: I always top the scoreboard except when there's a damn (insert latest dlc class here) on the team!!  Not fair!

In other words, most people crying for nerfs, simply want to "slap" the weapons/classes they simply don't like, or feel outclass the weapons/class they prefer.

Find these "most people", please, because most of the people I see thinking and talking on BSN about game balance are fairly experienced and have reasonably complete manifests, don't want everything to be completely equal in every situation, and don't care about being outscored.

Bonus points if you can find the OP saying anything like that, anywhere. (Hint: you can't.)

Yeah most nerfers seems to say "wow this setup makes the game easy or easier so something must be balanced (aka nerfed.)" It gets rather irritating because only a small handful can use said setup to any real effect and there discussing (complaining) messes it up for everyone. On top of that they're mostly likely playing with friends who have a better synergy because they play, practice, with each other so the game already becomes easier. Now their complaining has/will cause a nerf and has/will lessened the weapon/abilities of a lot of other players, especially if you play a PUG game with randoms, that found the game rather enjoyable to become a little irritatingly or tediously harder just so that handful can say "wow its not so easy as before."

[Big Bad]

OP, your demand that anti-nerfers prove that a class or weapon is not OP is pretty silly.  Last I checked, OP was a entirely subjective concept, so everybody is going to have their own personal standards for what is or is not OP. 

[Master Xanthan]

Eckswhyzed wrote...

GreatBlueHeron wrote...

OP, you're the ones making the claim that things should be nerfed, so the onus is on you.

So what did I want nerfed again? Oh right, I didn't mention anything in the OP.

I do find the one-line responses amusing though. I clearly overestimated BSN's capacity for rational argument...

No the guy you quoted was making a rational argument. He was saying if someone declares something OP, then the person that is declaring a weapon OP must state why it is OP. 

[UKillMeLongTime]

My guess those wanting things nerf dont play the class or use the weapon and are crying they are not top score.
Just use a crap gun on a starter character from day one and stfu

[JimSmyth]

bigkahuna077 wrote...
Perfect example sadly this is becoming ANOTHER title where the elitists are starting to get to decide what everyone else gets to do.

I can't wrap my head around this statement. This game isn't a featured MLG title. You just kill stuff, unlock stuff, and then kill stuff faster.

[Eckswhyzed]

@master xanthan

See my post on page 2 - I wasn't communicating very clearly - I do believe that the burden of proof is on the person saying the weapon IS overpowered. I will update the original post when I get home.

In hindsight I also interpreted GreatBlueHeron's post rather uncharitably as well. My apologies.

[jamesfrom818]

Those who support nerfing would probably notify a manager that a waitress forgot to charge them for the drinks that they had with their dinner.

[FlamboyantRoy]

jamesfrom818 wrote...

Those who support nerfing would probably notify a manager that a waitress forgot to charge them for the drinks that they had with their dinner.

^^^^^^^^^

Yep. There's a sucker born every minute.

[Tipsyfresh]

This game is about saving the freaking galaxy! Give me my overpowered weapons! I'm fighting giant robots, deadly creatures and knife shooting ninjas...overpowered weapons please *extends expecting hand. Are there complaints in single player about op weapons? If not, then this balance is some liberal media shenanigans and someone should explain why the game needs balancing over having decent servers, fairer rng system, deeper content( if they want me to invest another Billion hours), bug fixes, more creative enemies(AI and characters). Besides,if nerfing is used specifically to correct mistakes then y you still disconnect bro.


I thought it was part of the game to do big things and get big guns, I guess I should play skyrim because my Flemeth-influenced character is as overpowered as I want her to be.

Plus how op can the weapons be if the community can't full extract from reapers aka win operation broadside?

Modifié par Tipsyfresh, 26 juillet 2012 - 04:13 .

[Eckswhyzed]

FlamboyantRoy wrote...

jamesfrom818 wrote...

Those who support nerfing would probably notify a manager that a waitress forgot to charge them for the drinks that they had with their dinner.

^^^^^^^^^

Yep. There's a sucker born every minute.

So........nerfers are honest?

That's one of the nicest things I've heard from anyone on the BSN

EDIT: even if I don't quite see the connection...

Modifié par Eckswhyzed, 26 juillet 2012 - 04:24 .

[Eckswhyzed]

Tipsyfresh wrote...

...someone should explain why the game needs balancing over having decent servers, fairer rng system, deeper content( if they want me to invest another Billion hours), bug fixes, more creative enemies(AI and characters).

Because the balancing is done by a different team? Because balancing is much easier and faster than designing, coding and testing new content?

Just because I want the game to be balanced doesn't mean I don't want awesome new stuff.

[King Ptolemy IV]

I wouldn't mind providing evidence, if only u nerfer's put some more evidence other than " that guy did better than me and it is because of his gun/power"

[ParatrooperSean]

STFU nerfer.

[Urdnot Loksta]

Reapinger wrote...

Adhok42 wrote...

godlike13 wrote...

Attention "Nerfers", STFU!

Agreed.

Screw off.

This. 

This, again.

[ParatrooperSean]

Eckswhyzed wrote...

Tipsyfresh wrote...

...someone should explain why the game needs balancing over having decent servers, fairer rng system, deeper content( if they want me to invest another Billion hours), bug fixes, more creative enemies(AI and characters).

Because the balancing is done by a different team? Because balancing is much easier and faster than designing, coding and testing new content?

Just because I want the game to be balanced doesn't mean I don't want awesome new stuff.

If it's awesome then by definition it isn't "ballanced." 

[ParatrooperSean]

Eckswhyzed wrote...

FlamboyantRoy wrote...

jamesfrom818 wrote...

Those who support nerfing would probably notify a manager that a waitress forgot to charge them for the drinks that they had with their dinner.

^^^^^^^^^

Yep. There's a sucker born every minute.

So........nerfers are honest?
That's one of the nicest things I've heard from anyone on the BSN

EDIT: even if I don't quite see the connection...

It's more than that. You know how the kids in elementary school who were taddle tails got selected for hall monitor? You guys were hall monitor in high school.

[Urdnot Loksta]

Eckswhyzed wrote...

Just because I want the game to be balanced doesn't mean I don't want awesome new stuff.

WTH is the point of new stuff if you want it nerfed to **** as soon as it comes out? Might as well stick to what you're confortable with already and don't touch the awesome new stuff that is released so your nerf itch doesn't need scratching.

[Uberschveinen]

jamesfrom818 wrote...

Those who support nerfing would probably notify a manager that a waitress forgot to charge them for the drinks that they had with their dinner.

So... a 'nerfer' is someone with the personal integrity to not steal when given the opportunity to steal without consequence?

I don't think you thought your argument through very much.