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[dreman9999]

Ticonderoga117 wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...
1.The tanix cannon were build and planned in a time when we had the resource and time to do it. The crucible  was made with little to no trial and error, with is part of the expence of building new things. We build  something that already had all it's plans.
2.The normady has a reaper core, an Advance AI that is based on reaper code, and the reapers iff. The normady is not a normal ship.
3. You don't know what an oculus  is then.
http://masseffect.wi...com/wiki/Oculus 
It's basicly a space husk.

1. We aren't building these weapons from scratch here. Lasers are in common use. Just make them better. Nukes are easy to make. Particle weapons are all over the place, the collector gun from ME2 and javik's rifle in ME3. Just make them bigger.
2. Doesn't help in stealth, doesn't help in stealth, DEFIANTLY doesn't help in stealth. Her stealth systems are turian/human tech.
3. A fighter drone. Not a husk.

1.But impoving them takes time and trail and error. That is what you are not getting.
2.The "turian/human "stealth tech effects our ships only. Reapers can sense any ship using that, as shown in the opeing moment of ME2. EDI  and the reaper iff is the only reason why we can hide from the reapers.
  
3."
Oculi are cybernetic constructs, being piloted (in the case of those used by the Collectors) by a single Collector drone. Each drone is stripped down until only its nervous system remains, with the remaining tissue then being hardened to withstand vacuum and integrated into an Oculus shell. "

That basicly is a husk.

[Ticonderoga117]

dreman9999 wrote...

1.But impoving them takes time and trail and error. That is what you are not getting.
2.The "turian/human "stealth tech effects our ships only. Reapers can sense any ship using that, as shown in the opeing moment of ME2. EDI  and the reaper iff is the only reason why we can hide from the reapers.
  
3."
Oculi are cybernetic constructs, being piloted (in the case of those used by the Collectors) by a single Collector drone. Each drone is stripped down until only its nervous system remains, with the remaining tissue then being hardened to withstand vacuum and integrated into an Oculus shell. "

That basicly is a husk.

1. And? Time does need to pass in a war ya know. The Reapers don't move fast anyway because they don't care. At all. They have all the time in the world. So what if it takes a few months to a year? At worst, no one is left on Earth.
Still probably would take less time than BUILDING AN ANCIENT BATTERY if we just dumped all of them into working on the tech instead of the Crucible.
2. EDI doesn't effect the stealth, and the IFF would GIVE THE NORMANDY's POSITION AWAY. The SR-2's stealth drive IS better than the SR-1's.
3. A husk, that is flying a fighter. However, it's only a nervous system, so it's analogous to a fighter drone.

[dreman9999]

Ticonderoga117 wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

1.But impoving them takes time and trail and error. That is what you are not getting.
2.The "turian/human "stealth tech effects our ships only. Reapers can sense any ship using that, as shown in the opeing moment of ME2. EDI  and the reaper iff is the only reason why we can hide from the reapers.
  
3."
Oculi are cybernetic constructs, being piloted (in the case of those used by the Collectors) by a single Collector drone. Each drone is stripped down until only its nervous system remains, with the remaining tissue then being hardened to withstand vacuum and integrated into an Oculus shell. "

That basicly is a husk.

1. And? Time does need to pass in a war ya know. The Reapers don't move fast anyway because they don't care. At all. They have all the time in the world. So what if it takes a few months to a year? At worst, no one is left on Earth.
Still probably would take less time than BUILDING AN ANCIENT BATTERY if we just dumped all of them into working on the tech instead of the Crucible.
2. EDI doesn't effect the stealth, and the IFF would GIVE THE NORMANDY's POSITION AWAY. The SR-2's stealth drive IS better than the SR-1's.
3. A husk, that is flying a fighter. However, it's only a nervous system, so it's analogous to a fighter drone.

1.The reaper are quickly destroying our recousres and taking over our planets. we have noreal way to give them pause. Time is an issue.
2. Yes, she does. I just showed you proof. The link I put up shows how we hide from the reapers. You can't deny it.
3.That is still a husk and the reaper make swarms of them.

[3DandBeyond]

Ticonderoga117 wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

1. You asking for a magic gun and we don't have time or the recource to make it.
2.The reapers have signal blockers and oculies to counter that.
3. Better tactic do nothing to endless husk foces.

The crucilbe is a divice left from the past races to help us. It's not a question of if it can kill the reapers. It's how.

1. Particle weapons, lasers, and nukes aren't magic.
2. How do signal blockers effect something guided by sight or laser, and occuluses won't be able to if you can stealth the delivery system,
3. Hit them from orbit. Or high ground. Or with tanks. Or with artillery. Or use automatic shotguns. Or the Krogan. Or an almost endless supply of Geth troopers.

Pffft.

Ok for heaven's sake-we're asking for a magic gun?  What the heck is the Crucible and Catalyst and Citadel at the end because I sure don't know what they are other than complete fantasy.  I'd sooner have the Crucible spit out green goop that covers reapers' occuli. 

Reapers use kinetic barriers-they lower their mass which reduces their shields when they land on planets, making them vulnerable.  Kinetic barriers are not resistant to toxins, temperature or radiation.  The crucible was to be a dark energy device that could manipulate mass effect fields and lower the mass of reapers lowering their kinetic barriers making them vulnerable.

Every dreadnought has javelin missile launchers that release dark energy on impact that also could lower reapers' kinetic barriers.

Cains seem to be effective against some shielding and the reaper near the conduit that was destroyed by 2 missiles may give clues as to what might work on Earth or planet side against reapers or those whose mass might be manipulated.  

Reapers have vulnerabilities and if they weren't already known more could have been written into ME3.  Maybe they hate salt water.  Or maybe they're scared of mice.  Whatever.  They could have made the crucible into so many more rational things than a power source for magical choices.  So, if you like magic then why not have the crucible be a super magic wand in space that turns all reapers into puppies. 

Modifié par 3DandBeyond, 26 juillet 2012 - 09:15 .

[Ticonderoga117]

dreman9999 wrote...

1.The reaper are quickly destroying our recousres and taking over our planets. we have noreal way to give them pause. Time is an issue.
2. Yes, she does. I just showed you proof. The link I put up shows how we hide from the reapers. You can't deny it.
3.That is still a husk and the reaper make swarms of them.

1. We gathered enough resources to make the gigunda Crucible. Weapons much smaller than that shouldn't be a problem.
2. Huh, never heard that in game. Doesn't matter, because the IFF doesn't work anyway. The Rannoch Reaper fires at the Normandy anyway. Also, if they used the IFF, it would say "Hey! We are a Reaper!" This would in-turn give away our position while a Reaper wonders why the new Reaper suddenly appeared. Since the Reapers are all controlled by GlowBoy, GlowBoy would know something was up and kill the thing that says it's a Reaper, but isn't. It doesn't hold up.
3. And we make swarms of fighters. And we have tons of fighter defence. So?

[Kamfrenchie]

dreman9999 wrote...

Kamfrenchie wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Kamfrenchie wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Kamfrenchie wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Ticonderoga117 wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

You're told twice before reaching the Citadel for the first time that a conventional victory is impossible...

And that's why it's bad writing.
We've hardly fought the Reapers at this point, and the Alliance Fleet's head-honcho is already cutting his wrists going "It's impossible, we might as well roll up and die unless we use this convinent plot device."

This is not Hackett, this is a Cerberus spy or indoctrinated agent.
Or just bad writing.

No that's bad writing. We knew thye over powered us from ME1. Then theirs this.

^ This say it all.

Anything after  ME1 had questionnable writing anyway, as in the ending of ME1, he reaper threat is aknowledged by the council, and they prpare to face them.


Then bioware retconned ME1 ending...

ME1 also statesthat the reapers can't be beaten convetionally. Sovergin was beaten unconvetionally. And no, ME1 was not retconed

you are WRONG. Vigil said sovereign needed  the geth because alone he woul be destroyed, and yes ME 1 was retconnd, as everybody in ME2 decide not to trust shepard bout the reapers, while they did in ME1 ending, it's ccrystal clear retcon

When did I say sovergin was unbeatable? It was shown in ME1 that one reaper is extremely hard to kill. If we are facing  fleets of ships that can each take on fleets of our ships.....It's clear that it's an unstoppable force. that's common sense. Added, the fleet did not kill Sovergin with fire power alone. Sovergn could easilly of ran and try agan with more forces. We only killed sovergn because we stunned it. That is still an unconvetional victory.
It's been stated from ME1 that the reapers can't be stopped convetionally.. Really, if one can take on one of our fleets, it's obvious we can't beat fleets of that.

please, we only lost 8 cruisers against sovereign, and thre was tim to dvelop better weapons. And no, somethin that can be killed isn't unstoppable. In ME1 we didn't know ho many reapers thre were or if they were all as powerful as Sovereign. Most likely most of them would be weaker, as overeign task wwas very important.

Sovreign didn't have an endless supply of heretic geth, and after the attack everyone would know about the reapers. Sovereign was gonna die to the fleet anyway. That's why he assumed control of saren.

He couldn't fall back, time was aginst him, even if he could, he'd only give more time to the galaxy to prepare.

It took 7 or more  sherman to kill a tiger, but the alied won. the USSR tok milions of casualties in WW2, but thy won.

The turians lost 30 ships. We did lose 8, but it would be way more if we hadnot stunned Sovergin. Remember, stunning Sovergin is he only reason we killed him, he could of easily ran and nothing was stopping him from doing so. And it would be worse for us now if he did. The only reason we killed soverign is that he chance at another try to open the citedel relay. Point being, he was not going to die any way. It was an unconvetional victory. He died there becasuehe underestamaed Shepard.

the turians losses were because of the geth, sovereign wasn't firing before.

And what you're saying is that Sovereign is stupid ? he could have killed everyone in the longrun but instead decidedit would be cool to asume direct control ? that's what your theory means.
He was gonna die. Evntualy his barriers would have collapsed under fire, or lasers would have penetrated them and killed him.

And there were probably more fleet converging on the citadel, so svereign wouldhave ben shot down tryongto escape
That's why he assumed control, it's the only logical explanation. Otherwise hemight aswell do the harvst himself

[dreman9999]

Ticonderoga117 wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

1.The reaper are quickly destroying our recousres and taking over our planets. we have noreal way to give them pause. Time is an issue.
2. Yes, she does. I just showed you proof. The link I put up shows how we hide from the reapers. You can't deny it.
3.That is still a husk and the reaper make swarms of them.

1. We gathered enough resources to make the gigunda Crucible. Weapons much smaller than that shouldn't be a problem.
2. Huh, never heard that in game. Doesn't matter, because the IFF doesn't work anyway. The Rannoch Reaper fires at the Normandy anyway. Also, if they used the IFF, it would say "Hey! We are a Reaper!" This would in-turn give away our position while a Reaper wonders why the new Reaper suddenly appeared. Since the Reapers are all controlled by GlowBoy, GlowBoy would know something was up and kill the thing that says it's a Reaper, but isn't. It doesn't hold up.
3. And we make swarms of fighters. And we have tons of fighter defence. So?

1.You not gettin gth fact that all weapon need atime of trail and error to test it. Thatis where most of the time making new weapon get held up in. It not as simple as you makin git sound.
2.If did work.the fall of earth. Escaping mars. The Normandy getting in the warzones of palvin. The Normady getting into any reaper control syste. And the normady reveile itself on rennoch to attack the destroyer, so of cousre the destroy knows the normandy isnot wa reaper.It works.
3.No we can't. We have limitedresources and man power to fly the ships. We can never keep up with the production of the reapers.

[Ticonderoga117]

dreman9999 wrote...

1.You not gettin gth fact that all weapon need atime of trail and error to test it. Thatis where most of the time making new weapon get held up in. It not as simple as you makin git sound.
2.If did work.the fall of earth. Escaping mars. The Normandy getting in the warzones of palvin. The Normady getting into any reaper control syste. And the normady reveile itself on rennoch to attack the destroyer, so of cousre the destroy knows the normandy isnot wa reaper.It works.
3.No we can't. We have limitedresources and man power to fly the ships. We can never keep up with the production of the reapers.

1. War has a tendency to rush things. Look at World War I and World War II. Things get done in a hurry because they are needed.
2. It doesn't make sense when given the abilities of the Reapers and thier new collective conciousness. Palaven can be explained simply because of the stealth system. If the IFF was perfect, why do you get attacked for scanning? Simple, it's BS.
3. Hit the production centers. Simple on paper, a wee bit harder for practicle purposes, still do-able.

[dreman9999]

@Kamfrenchie 

Yes, he could of ran and tried ageint with the entire geth forces and collectors. It's not he was stupid. He just underesstamated Shepard. And no Sovengn would not be caught, you need to know who mass relays work, ship coming in on a mass relay will not stop ships from leaving. What i'm saying is sovergn would of won in the long run if he ran from that battle.

Modifié par dreman9999, 26 juillet 2012 - 09:40 .

[dreman9999]

Ticonderoga117 wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

1.You not gettin gth fact that all weapon need atime of trail and error to test it. Thatis where most of the time making new weapon get held up in. It not as simple as you makin git sound.
2.If did work.the fall of earth. Escaping mars. The Normandy getting in the warzones of palvin. The Normady getting into any reaper control syste. And the normady reveile itself on rennoch to attack the destroyer, so of cousre the destroy knows the normandy isnot wa reaper.It works.
3.No we can't. We have limitedresources and man power to fly the ships. We can never keep up with the production of the reapers.

1. War has a tendency to rush things. Look at World War I and World War II. Things get done in a hurry because they are needed.
2. It doesn't make sense when given the abilities of the Reapers and thier new collective conciousness. Palaven can be explained simply because of the stealth system. If the IFF was perfect, why do you get attacked for scanning? Simple, it's BS.
3. Hit the production centers. Simple on paper, a wee bit harder for practicle purposes, still do-able.

1. Not as quickly as you think. Production is focus on weapons during war because money can be made from it and it's need. Finances is not the case with this war, being that the war is destroying it but rush production can lead to furture problems.This doesn't mean anything passes. If SOMETHING IS NOT CHEACKED TO BE 100% EFFECTIVE FOR A WEAPON IT COULD LEAD TO LOSING WARS.  If you give all your ships new stronger cannons but never check if the cannons over head with long term use, then you should not be surpiresed if you lose your war because all your ships cannos are too burnt out to fire.from it
2.The iff can't hide a ship from direct veiw. If the reaper can see the ship, it will know the ship is not a reaper no matter what code is given.
3.Like they can do that. the reapers heavily guard it and can quickly  make new ones. We would lose more people doing that then we would gain form stopping them.

[Ticonderoga117]

dreman9999 wrote...
1. Not as quickly as you think. Production is focus on weapons during war because money can be made from it and it's need. Finances is not the case with this war, being that the war is destroying it but rush production can lead to furture problems.This doesn't mean anything passes. If SOMETHING IS NOT CHEACKED TO BE 100% EFFECTIVE FOR A WEAPON IT COULD LEAD TO LOSING WARS.  If you give all your ships new stronger cannons but never check if the cannons over head with long term use, then you should not be surpiresed if you lose your war because all your ships cannos are too burnt out to fire.from it
2.The iff can't hide a ship from direct veiw. If the reaper can see the ship, it will know the ship is not a reaper no matter what code is given.
3.Like they can do that. the reapers heavily guard it and can quickly  make new ones. We would lose more people doing that then we would gain form stopping them.

1. But not as slowly as you think. And yeah, that has happened, look at the US Sub forces in the pacific. bad torpedoes. But they got fixed. These things happen. At least it wasn't a giant superweapon that there was only one of and everything was sunk into it.
2. IFF still wouldn't help from far away either.
3. Normandy pops in with a munition that doesn't have guidence. Boom.

[dreman9999]

Ticonderoga117 wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...
1. Not as quickly as you think. Production is focus on weapons during war because money can be made from it and it's need. Finances is not the case with this war, being that the war is destroying it but rush production can lead to furture problems.This doesn't mean anything passes. If SOMETHING IS NOT CHEACKED TO BE 100% EFFECTIVE FOR A WEAPON IT COULD LEAD TO LOSING WARS.  If you give all your ships new stronger cannons but never check if the cannons over head with long term use, then you should not be surpiresed if you lose your war because all your ships cannos are too burnt out to fire.from it
2.The iff can't hide a ship from direct veiw. If the reaper can see the ship, it will know the ship is not a reaper no matter what code is given.
3.Like they can do that. the reapers heavily guard it and can quickly  make new ones. We would lose more people doing that then we would gain form stopping them.

1. But not as slowly as you think. And yeah, that has happened, look at the US Sub forces in the pacific. bad torpedoes. But they got fixed. These things happen. At least it wasn't a giant superweapon that there was only one of and everything was sunk into it.
2. IFF still wouldn't help from far away either.
3. Normandy pops in with a munition that doesn't have guidence. Boom.

1. I'm not say it happens slowly. I'm saying that  won't be in effect on the battle feild for agood time and by then the project may be destroyed by the reapers.
2. Every time you go into a reaper controled system proves that it does.
3. The normandy is justone ship and can't destory every reeaper prosessing center on every world or keep up with how quickly the reapers can make one.

[Kamfrenchie]

dreman9999 wrote...

Ticonderoga117 wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

1.You not gettin gth fact that all weapon need atime of trail and error to test it. Thatis where most of the time making new weapon get held up in. It not as simple as you makin git sound.
2.If did work.the fall of earth. Escaping mars. The Normandy getting in the warzones of palvin. The Normady getting into any reaper control syste. And the normady reveile itself on rennoch to attack the destroyer, so of cousre the destroy knows the normandy isnot wa reaper.It works.
3.No we can't. We have limitedresources and man power to fly the ships. We can never keep up with the production of the reapers.

1. War has a tendency to rush things. Look at World War I and World War II. Things get done in a hurry because they are needed.
2. It doesn't make sense when given the abilities of the Reapers and thier new collective conciousness. Palaven can be explained simply because of the stealth system. If the IFF was perfect, why do you get attacked for scanning? Simple, it's BS.
3. Hit the production centers. Simple on paper, a wee bit harder for practicle purposes, still do-able.

1. Not as quickly as you think. Production is focus on weapons during war because money can be made from it and it's need. Finances is not the case with this war, being that the war is destroying it but rush production can lead to furture problems.This doesn't mean anything passes. If SOMETHING IS NOT CHEACKED TO BE 100% EFFECTIVE FOR A WEAPON IT COULD LEAD TO LOSING WARS.  If you give all your ships new stronger cannons but never check if the cannons over head with long term use, then you should not be surpiresed if you lose your war because all your ships cannos are too burnt out to fire.from it
2.The iff can't hide a ship from direct veiw. If the reaper can see the ship, it will know the ship is not a reaper no matter what code is given.
3.Like they can do that. the reapers heavily guard it and can quickly  make new ones. We would lose more people doing that then we would gain form stopping them.

and point 1) doesn't apply   to the crucible because ?

[Tritium315]

Kamfrenchie wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Ticonderoga117 wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

1.You not gettin gth fact that all weapon need atime of trail and error to test it. Thatis where most of the time making new weapon get held up in. It not as simple as you makin git sound.
2.If did work.the fall of earth. Escaping mars. The Normandy getting in the warzones of palvin. The Normady getting into any reaper control syste. And the normady reveile itself on rennoch to attack the destroyer, so of cousre the destroy knows the normandy isnot wa reaper.It works.
3.No we can't. We have limitedresources and man power to fly the ships. We can never keep up with the production of the reapers.

1. War has a tendency to rush things. Look at World War I and World War II. Things get done in a hurry because they are needed.
2. It doesn't make sense when given the abilities of the Reapers and thier new collective conciousness. Palaven can be explained simply because of the stealth system. If the IFF was perfect, why do you get attacked for scanning? Simple, it's BS.
3. Hit the production centers. Simple on paper, a wee bit harder for practicle purposes, still do-able.

1. Not as quickly as you think. Production is focus on weapons during war because money can be made from it and it's need. Finances is not the case with this war, being that the war is destroying it but rush production can lead to furture problems.This doesn't mean anything passes. If SOMETHING IS NOT CHEACKED TO BE 100% EFFECTIVE FOR A WEAPON IT COULD LEAD TO LOSING WARS.  If you give all your ships new stronger cannons but never check if the cannons over head with long term use, then you should not be surpiresed if you lose your war because all your ships cannos are too burnt out to fire.from it
2.The iff can't hide a ship from direct veiw. If the reaper can see the ship, it will know the ship is not a reaper no matter what code is given.
3.Like they can do that. the reapers heavily guard it and can quickly  make new ones. We would lose more people doing that then we would gain form stopping them.

and point 1) doesn't apply   to the crucible because ?

Artistic Integrity.

[dreman9999]

Kamfrenchie wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Ticonderoga117 wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

1.You not gettin gth fact that all weapon need atime of trail and error to test it. Thatis where most of the time making new weapon get held up in. It not as simple as you makin git sound.
2.If did work.the fall of earth. Escaping mars. The Normandy getting in the warzones of palvin. The Normady getting into any reaper control syste. And the normady reveile itself on rennoch to attack the destroyer, so of cousre the destroy knows the normandy isnot wa reaper.It works.
3.No we can't. We have limitedresources and man power to fly the ships. We can never keep up with the production of the reapers.

1. War has a tendency to rush things. Look at World War I and World War II. Things get done in a hurry because they are needed.
2. It doesn't make sense when given the abilities of the Reapers and thier new collective conciousness. Palaven can be explained simply because of the stealth system. If the IFF was perfect, why do you get attacked for scanning? Simple, it's BS.
3. Hit the production centers. Simple on paper, a wee bit harder for practicle purposes, still do-able.

1. Not as quickly as you think. Production is focus on weapons during war because money can be made from it and it's need. Finances is not the case with this war, being that the war is destroying it but rush production can lead to furture problems.This doesn't mean anything passes. If SOMETHING IS NOT CHEACKED TO BE 100% EFFECTIVE FOR A WEAPON IT COULD LEAD TO LOSING WARS.  If you give all your ships new stronger cannons but never check if the cannons over head with long term use, then you should not be surpiresed if you lose your war because all your ships cannos are too burnt out to fire.from it
2.The iff can't hide a ship from direct veiw. If the reaper can see the ship, it will know the ship is not a reaper no matter what code is given.
3.Like they can do that. the reapers heavily guard it and can quickly  make new ones. We would lose more people doing that then we would gain form stopping them.

and point 1) doesn't apply   to the crucible because ?

All the testing  and trail and error have been don't by the past cycles. It just use putting to gether as best as possible. Added, how well we put it together has an effect. A shotty job ends up frying the earth at low destroy ems.

Modifié par dreman9999, 26 juillet 2012 - 10:20 .

[WYLDMAXX]

dreman9999 wrote...

All the testing  and trail and error have been don't by the past cycles. It just use putting to gether as best as possible. Added, how well we put it together has an effect. A shotty job ends up frying the earth at low destroy ems.

Scientists had no clue what the crucible would do according to Hackett and he seemed ok with that.  He even goes so far as to make a comparsion to the Manhattan project.   

  I'm sorry but Hackett is an idiot for using untested technology in the battlefield without knowing what it did in the first place. 

[dreman9999]

WYLDMAXX wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

All the testing  and trail and error have been don't by the past cycles. It just use putting to gether as best as possible. Added, how well we put it together has an effect. A shotty job ends up frying the earth at low destroy ems.

Scientists had no clue what the crucible would do according to Hackett and he seemed ok with that.  He even goes so far as to make a comparsion to the Manhattan project.   

  I'm sorry but Hackett is an idiot for using untested technology in the battlefield without knowing what it did in the first place. 

They don't know how it does it but we know that it can stop the reapers. We learn how in the cerberus base.
If hachet is an idiot for not testing the cruciblebefore using it, Shepard is also one for not test the virus Virgil gives him to stop sovergin in ME1.

Modifié par dreman9999, 26 juillet 2012 - 10:50 .

[The Twilight God]

Conniving_Eagle wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

You're told twice before reaching the Citadel for the first time that a conventional victory is impossible...

You are told several times throughout Mass Effect 2 that you are not going to survive the suicide mission/people are going to die.

Based on nothing. Nobody had any information about what exactly was on the other side of the Omega 4 relay. Turns out all they had was a single base no more dangerous than the Collector ship we were on before.

Now flash forward to ME3. We had the reaper fleet right here. We know exactly what we are up against in ME3. No speculation. Just hard facts.

[The Twilight God]

dreman9999 wrote...

Kamfrenchie wrote...

Our_Last_Scene wrote...

It looks like this is getting ignored so I'm gonna quote it:

Our_Last_Scene wrote...

The Reapers vastly outnumber us.

Also they can brainwash us. A simple "FTL around indoctinating planets with a bit of devastating hit-and-run tactics to cripple the galaxy included".

Vastly outnumber, far superior firepower and defenses, the ability to escape without being tracked and brainwashing capabilities = no conventional victory.

indotrination doesn't happen instantly, hammer proves it

Yes, it can.Via touch  wit an indctination device and reaper proximity.

Yes, it can happen quickly, but then it would be glaringly obvious... as they'd be drooling idiotics.

[dreman9999]

The Twilight God wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Kamfrenchie wrote...

Our_Last_Scene wrote...

It looks like this is getting ignored so I'm gonna quote it:

Our_Last_Scene wrote...

The Reapers vastly outnumber us.

Also they can brainwash us. A simple "FTL around indoctinating planets with a bit of devastating hit-and-run tactics to cripple the galaxy included".

Vastly outnumber, far superior firepower and defenses, the ability to escape without being tracked and brainwashing capabilities = no conventional victory.

indotrination doesn't happen instantly, hammer proves it

Yes, it can.Via touch  wit an indctination device and reaper proximity.

Yes, it can happen quickly, but then it would be glaringly obvious... as they'd be drooling idiotics.

The doesn't matter. Indoctrination works to cause discord in you enemies ranks one way or another. Ifthe enemies loses a man, the person using indoctriantion still wins.

[Eterna]

Countless civilizations fell to the reapers, they were made to destroy all advanced organic life. A conventional win is silly.

I could go into more detail as to why this stupid but honestly I've had to do just tthat too many times to bother.

Modifié par Eterna5, 26 juillet 2012 - 11:08 .

[The Twilight God]

Ticonderoga117 wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

You're told twice before reaching the Citadel for the first time that a conventional victory is impossible...

And that's why it's bad writing.
We've hardly fought the Reapers at this point, and the Alliance Fleet's head-honcho is already cutting his wrists going "It's impossible, we might as well roll up and die unless we use this convinent plot device."

This is not Hackett, this is a Cerberus spy or indoctrinated agent.
Or just bad writing.

You people are really living in denial here. It's almost funny, but actually kinda sad.

The Reapers tore through 5 earth fleets within a day. They tore through the Turian fleet, the strongest in the known galaxy without trouble forcing them to run ht and run attacks just to keep them from landing. Thessia fell in less than a day. Everywhere they go they win. And they are poping up everywhere. Each enemy vessel is stronger than any one of our dreadnaughts (save the Destiny Ascension which could probably take a reaper destroyer 1vs1). On top of being outgunned we're also outnumbered.

Based on what information should Hackett think conventional victory was possible?

[The Twilight God]

Ticonderoga117 wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...
No that's bad writing. We knew thye over powered us from ME1. Then theirs this.

^ This say it all.

Versus this:


All armed with weapons that don't care about Kinetic Barriers would trash Reapers. But no, bad writing ahoy-hoy!

Funny you say that considering the only "thanix" fire was coming from the Reaper ships. Check out the battle scene for yourself. Those ships where using conventional projectile weapons. Did you expect every ship of every species to completely upgrade/redesign all their ships in the middle of a freaking reaper war. They didn;t even believe the threat was true until the reapers were right in their face. Too late at that point. Maybe a few did, but thanix cannons weren't a mass produced weapon.

Another problem is it is never actually stated or shown what effects the Thanix cannon would have against a reaper dreadnaught. That was bad writting. It's a shame that the thanix technology wasn;t focused on more in both ME2 and 3.

Modifié par The Twilight God, 26 juillet 2012 - 11:24 .

[ZLurps]

The Twilight God wrote...

Ticonderoga117 wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...
No that's bad writing. We knew thye over powered us from ME1. Then theirs this.

^ This say it all.

Versus this:


All armed with weapons that don't care about Kinetic Barriers would trash Reapers. But no, bad writing ahoy-hoy!

Funny you say that considering the only "thanix" fire was coming from the Reaper ships. Check out the battle scene for yourself. Those ships where using conventional projectile weapons. Did you expect every ship or every species to completely upgrade/redesign all their ships in the middle of a freaking reaper war. They didn;t even believe the threat was true until the reapers were right in their face. Too late at that point. Maybe a few did, but thanix cannons weren't a mass produced weapon

Just a side note:

Some ships had Thanix cannons installed, but like you said, not every ship out there had them.

But even if they had, it wouldn't turn the tide. Thanix weapons still uses mass effect core of ship they are installed. So even they are more effecient than older weapons, they wouldn't be as effecient as Reaper weapons, because Reaper ships have really huge mass effect core.

Even galactic fleets had plans to technology, upgrading ships drive cores would be impossible, because ships are built around their drive cores and installing new drive core would require first dismantling huge parts of ship hulls.

I don't see there's either, space dry docks available and time available. Even if they had new drive core technology already figured out and tested.

[The Twilight God]

AlanC9 wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

But it's can't. It doesn't have the fire power. It just can't.

One of the problems with this board is that it's so hard to tell joke posts from serious arguments.;

A collector ship (i.e prothean tech) is not a soveriegn class dreadnaught. Hell, James and some alliance nobodies managed to take out a Collector ship.