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[flanny]

F4H bandicoot wrote...

flanny wrote...

F4H bandicoot wrote...

sth128 wrote...

Ghurshog wrote...

They give you a gun that kills a destroyer in one shot of human 'make' (not necessarily human design).

[...]

An Admiral says its not possible conventionally to start with, then you pick up a hand held weapon and blow up a Destroyer Reaper with it.

Are people still confusing the Hades AA cannon with a Reaper destroyer?

Shepard took out a Reaper AA tower with the Cain, not a Reaper destroyer. Every Reaper destroyer Shepard took out was with the aid of either an entire fleet, a giant thresher maw, or a couple of Thanix missiles.

Please don't point to the Hades cannon as a "Reaper destroyer". If it was then Anderson would have said "we need to take out that destroyer" like he did in the final briefing.

It was quite clearly a destroyer with a AA cannon mounted upon it.

is the correct answer 
http://masseffect.wi...ki/Hades_Cannon

It still makes no sense that it take an entire quarian fleet 3 attempts to kill the destroyer, then 1 cain shot to take down the hades (which I assume would have a similar level of armour) and then 2 thanix missile weaken the last destroyer enough for about 30 rockets and 200 guns to finally take it down.

it didn't, if the whole fleet fired it primary weapons they would have caused huge damage to rannoch, they'd likely cause an ice age. edit: see 
 for proof

besides you see that it's only a couple of ships firing the rest are too busy with the geth

Modifié par flanny, 26 juillet 2012 - 03:57 .

[The Twilight God]

Conniving_Eagle wrote...

The Twilight God wrote...

You think?

The Twilight God wrote...

Reaper fleet = 10,000 (each of which are more powerful than any single allied ship)

Allied fleet = 1,000 warships

These aren't actual numbers, of course, but the reaper simply outgunned and outnumbered us.

Love how you removed the context. classic internet hijinks.

The point is we were outgunned AND outnumbered. The combined fleets were just there to occupy the reapers so we could get the Crucible to the Citadel. We were outnumbers at Earth with EVERYTHING we had. And there are tons more reapers across the galaxy.

Conventional victory was 99.99999999999999999999999999999999999999% improbable.

The fact that you are using blatantly conceived numbers to support your argument is telling...

The reapers outnumber us: FACT
Hackett has told you this on numerous occassions. The reapers on Earth alone outnumber our combined force and that's not even all of them.

Each reaper warship is more powerful than any 1 of our ships: FACT
The entire series from ME1 to 3 testifies to this.



The fact that you are sticking your fingers in your ears, shuting your eyes and shouting "lalalalalala" is telling....

Modifié par The Twilight God, 26 juillet 2012 - 03:57 .

[flanny]

The Twilight God wrote...

Conniving_Eagle wrote...

The Twilight God wrote...

You think?

The Twilight God wrote...

Reaper fleet = 10,000 (each of which are more powerful than any single allied ship)

Allied fleet = 1,000 warships

These aren't actual numbers, of course, but the reaper simply outgunned and outnumbered us.

Love how you removed the context. classic internet hijinks.

The point is we were outgunned AND outnumbered. The combined fleets were just there to occupy the reapers so we could get the Crucible to the Citadel. We were outnumbers at Earth with EVERYTHING we had. And there are tons more reapers across the galaxy.

Conventional victory was 99.99999999999999999999999999999999999999% improbable.

The fact that you are using blatantly conceived numbers to support your argument is telling...

The reapers outnumber us: FACT

Hackett has told you this on numerous occassions. The reapers on Earth alone outnumber our combined force and that's not even all of them.

Each reaper warship is more powerful than any 1 of our ships: FACT

The entire series from ME1 to 3 testifies to this.

The fact that you are sticking your fingers in your ears, shuting your eyes and shouting "lalalalalala" is telling....

saying 'fact' doesn't make it a fact there is nothing i've seen that would suggest the reapers have more then a few hundred ship (not counting oculus) 

[Conniving_Eagle]

The Twilight God wrote...

Conniving_Eagle wrote...

The Twilight God wrote...

You think?

The Twilight God wrote...

Reaper fleet = 10,000 (each of which are more powerful than any single allied ship)

Allied fleet = 1,000 warships

These aren't actual numbers, of course, but the reaper simply outgunned and outnumbered us.

Love how you removed the context. classic internet hijinks.

The point is we were outgunned AND outnumbered. The combined fleets were just there to occupy the reapers so we could get the Crucible to the Citadel. We were outnumbers at Earth with EVERYTHING we had. And there are tons more reapers across the galaxy.

Conventional victory was 99.99999999999999999999999999999999999999% improbable.

The fact that you are using blatantly conceived numbers to support your argument is telling...

The reapers outnumber us: FACT
Hackett has told you this on numerous occassions. The reapers on Earth alone outnumber our combined force and that's not even all of them.

Each reaper warship is more powerful than any 1 of our ships: FACT
The entire series from ME1 to 3 testifies to this.



The fact that you are sticking your fingers in your ears, shuting your eyes and shouting "lalalalalala" is telling....

The Reapers outnumber us? I don't think so. Hackett never says this. If he does, then quote him, time and place. If the Reapers have the thousands of ships that you claim, then there would be no need to be so cautious about harvesting organic civilizations.

[v TricKy v]

F4H bandicoot wrote...

flanny wrote...

Conniving_Eagle wrote...

It did not take the entire Quarian fleet to take out the Rannoch Reaper.

this, a couple of ships firing their smallest guns to deliver precision fire were able to take out a reaper... if anything this makes them appear vulnerable.

Also the fact that reaper never thought to shoot at shepard horizontally shows the kind of enemy we're dealing with... idiots 

EDI syncs the quarian fleet at rannoch to fire at the eraper, this is clearly stated in game.

There are three ships firing and not the whole Fleet.
Proof
You do know that the Quarians want to live on the planet and not destroy it?

Modifié par v TricKy v, 26 juillet 2012 - 04:06 .

[dreman9999]

Conniving_Eagle wrote...

The Twilight God wrote...

Conniving_Eagle wrote...

The Twilight God wrote...

You think?

The Twilight God wrote...

Reaper fleet = 10,000 (each of which are more powerful than any single allied ship)

Allied fleet = 1,000 warships

These aren't actual numbers, of course, but the reaper simply outgunned and outnumbered us.

Love how you removed the context. classic internet hijinks.

The point is we were outgunned AND outnumbered. The combined fleets were just there to occupy the reapers so we could get the Crucible to the Citadel. We were outnumbers at Earth with EVERYTHING we had. And there are tons more reapers across the galaxy.

Conventional victory was 99.99999999999999999999999999999999999999% improbable.

The fact that you are using blatantly conceived numbers to support your argument is telling...

The reapers outnumber us: FACT
Hackett has told you this on numerous occassions. The reapers on Earth alone outnumber our combined force and that's not even all of them.

Each reaper warship is more powerful than any 1 of our ships: FACT
The entire series from ME1 to 3 testifies to this.



The fact that you are sticking your fingers in your ears, shuting your eyes and shouting "lalalalalala" is telling....

The Reapers outnumber us? I don't think so. Hackett never says this. If he does, then quote him, time and place. If the Reapers have the thousands of ships that you claim, then there would be no need to be so cautious about harvesting organic civilizations.

The starchild say the reapers out number us when you pick the refusal choice.

[T-Bone665]

Of course they outnumber us. If it takes 4 Dreadnoughts to down a Sovereign-class, and there were 200 Dreadnoughts in the Galaxy prior to the Reaper's arrival, this means that on Dreadnought-Level, they outnumber us if there are more than 50. Of course you have to also count the Reaper Destroyers and Galaxy Cruisers, which seem to be roughly the same strength individually.

Are the Reapers really cautious about harvesting? Don't they basically just attack, land, and don't care much for the fighting?

[F4H bandicoot]

flanny wrote...

F4H bandicoot wrote...

flanny wrote...

F4H bandicoot wrote...

sth128 wrote...

Ghurshog wrote...

They give you a gun that kills a destroyer in one shot of human 'make' (not necessarily human design).

[...]

An Admiral says its not possible conventionally to start with, then you pick up a hand held weapon and blow up a Destroyer Reaper with it.

Are people still confusing the Hades AA cannon with a Reaper destroyer?

Shepard took out a Reaper AA tower with the Cain, not a Reaper destroyer. Every Reaper destroyer Shepard took out was with the aid of either an entire fleet, a giant thresher maw, or a couple of Thanix missiles.

Please don't point to the Hades cannon as a "Reaper destroyer". If it was then Anderson would have said "we need to take out that destroyer" like he did in the final briefing.

It was quite clearly a destroyer with a AA cannon mounted upon it.

is the correct answer 
http://masseffect.wi...ki/Hades_Cannon

It still makes no sense that it take an entire quarian fleet 3 attempts to kill the destroyer, then 1 cain shot to take down the hades (which I assume would have a similar level of armour) and then 2 thanix missile weaken the last destroyer enough for about 30 rockets and 200 guns to finally take it down.

it didn't, if the whole fleet fired it primary weapons they would have caused huge damage to rannoch, they'd likely cause an ice age

besides you see that it's only a couple of ships firing the rest are too busy with the geth

Irrelevent, The galactic fleet does no major damage to Earth despirt missing all the Reapers.
And Edi clearly states the whole fleet is linked, and Shep tells the fleet to fire with the Normandy.

[dreman9999]

v TricKy v wrote...

F4H bandicoot wrote...

flanny wrote...

Conniving_Eagle wrote...

It did not take the entire Quarian fleet to take out the Rannoch Reaper.

this, a couple of ships firing their smallest guns to deliver precision fire were able to take out a reaper... if anything this makes them appear vulnerable.

Also the fact that reaper never thought to shoot at shepard horizontally shows the kind of enemy we're dealing with... idiots 

EDI syncs the quarian fleet at rannoch to fire at the eraper, this is clearly stated in game.

There are three ships firing and not the whole Fleet.
Proof
You do know that the Quarians want to live on the planet and not destroy it?

That's not 3 ships.

[The Twilight God]

flanny wrote...

The Twilight God wrote...

The reapers outnumber us: FACT

Hackett has told you this on numerous occassions. The reapers on Earth alone outnumber our combined force and that's not even all of them.

Each reaper warship is more powerful than any 1 of our ships: FACT

The entire series from ME1 to 3 testifies to this.

The fact that you are sticking your fingers in your ears, shuting your eyes and shouting "lalalalalala" is telling....

saying 'fact' doesn't make it a fact there is nothing i've seen that would suggest the reapers have more then a few hundred ship (not counting oculus) 

No, being a fact makes it fact.

If you wish to ignore what is stated by Hackett, the plot, the very intent of the final mission and the Catalyst that's fine. I'll leave you to your "lalalalala".

Modifié par The Twilight God, 26 juillet 2012 - 04:06 .

[dreman9999]

flanny wrote...

The Twilight God wrote...

Conniving_Eagle wrote...

The Twilight God wrote...

You think?

The Twilight God wrote...

Reaper fleet = 10,000 (each of which are more powerful than any single allied ship)

Allied fleet = 1,000 warships

These aren't actual numbers, of course, but the reaper simply outgunned and outnumbered us.

Love how you removed the context. classic internet hijinks.

The point is we were outgunned AND outnumbered. The combined fleets were just there to occupy the reapers so we could get the Crucible to the Citadel. We were outnumbers at Earth with EVERYTHING we had. And there are tons more reapers across the galaxy.

Conventional victory was 99.99999999999999999999999999999999999999% improbable.

The fact that you are using blatantly conceived numbers to support your argument is telling...

The reapers outnumber us: FACT

Hackett has told you this on numerous occassions. The reapers on Earth alone outnumber our combined force and that's not even all of them.

Each reaper warship is more powerful than any 1 of our ships: FACT

The entire series from ME1 to 3 testifies to this.

The fact that you are sticking your fingers in your ears, shuting your eyes and shouting "lalalalalala" is telling....

saying 'fact' doesn't make it a fact there is nothing i've seen that would suggest the reapers have more then a few hundred ship (not counting oculus) 

The star child tell us  the reaper have way more ships then we do when you pick the refusa choice.

[Conniving_Eagle]

dreman9999 wrote...

Conniving_Eagle wrote...

The Twilight God wrote...

Conniving_Eagle wrote...

The Twilight God wrote...

You think?

The Twilight God wrote...

Reaper fleet = 10,000 (each of which are more powerful than any single allied ship)

Allied fleet = 1,000 warships

These aren't actual numbers, of course, but the reaper simply outgunned and outnumbered us.

Love how you removed the context. classic internet hijinks.

The point is we were outgunned AND outnumbered. The combined fleets were just there to occupy the reapers so we could get the Crucible to the Citadel. We were outnumbers at Earth with EVERYTHING we had. And there are tons more reapers across the galaxy.

Conventional victory was 99.99999999999999999999999999999999999999% improbable.

The fact that you are using blatantly conceived numbers to support your argument is telling...

The reapers outnumber us: FACT
Hackett has told you this on numerous occassions. The reapers on Earth alone outnumber our combined force and that's not even all of them.

Each reaper warship is more powerful than any 1 of our ships: FACT
The entire series from ME1 to 3 testifies to this.



The fact that you are sticking your fingers in your ears, shuting your eyes and shouting "lalalalalala" is telling....

The Reapers outnumber us? I don't think so. Hackett never says this. If he does, then quote him, time and place. If the Reapers have the thousands of ships that you claim, then there would be no need to be so cautious about harvesting organic civilizations.

The starchild say the reapers out number us when you pick the refusal choice.

That's your interpretation.

[F4H bandicoot]

T-Bone665 wrote...

Of course they outnumber us. If it takes 4 Dreadnoughts to down a Sovereign-class, and there were 200 Dreadnoughts in the Galaxy prior to the Reaper's arrival, this means that on Dreadnought-Level, they outnumber us if there are more than 50. Of course you have to also count the Reaper Destroyers and Galaxy Cruisers, which seem to be roughly the same strength individually.

Are the Reapers really cautious about harvesting? Don't they basically just attack, land, and don't care much for the fighting?

Considering that, if we consider the oldest Reaper we know of is 1 billion years old, that would put Captiol ships at 20,000 if they made no losses and if they made a repear each cycle (Both of these don't happen of course) so that number is a nothing. Still interesting though

[v TricKy v]

dreman9999 wrote...

v TricKy v wrote...

F4H bandicoot wrote...

flanny wrote...

Conniving_Eagle wrote...

It did not take the entire Quarian fleet to take out the Rannoch Reaper.

this, a couple of ships firing their smallest guns to deliver precision fire were able to take out a reaper... if anything this makes them appear vulnerable.

Also the fact that reaper never thought to shoot at shepard horizontally shows the kind of enemy we're dealing with... idiots 

EDI syncs the quarian fleet at rannoch to fire at the eraper, this is clearly stated in game.

There are three ships firing and not the whole Fleet.
Proof
You do know that the Quarians want to live on the planet and not destroy it?

That's not 3 ships.

Yeah sorry there are four ships firing

Conniving_Eagle wrote...

The Reapers outnumber us? I don't think so. Hackett never says this. If he does, then quote him, time and place. If the Reapers have the thousands of ships that you claim, then there would be no need to be so cautious about harvesting organic civilizations.

Also agree with this. They used cunning tatics instead of brute force in ME1. The Citadel trap, Saren and the geth, the Rachni wars, isolating planets from another. They used backstabbing the whole time. There was nothing in ME1 which said they can take the whole galaxy in a head on fight.  

[T-Bone665]

v TricKy v wrote...
There was nothing in ME1 which said they can take the whole galaxy in a head on fight. 

"Our numbers will darken the sky of every world."

[flanny]

F4H bandicoot wrote...

flanny wrote...

F4H bandicoot wrote...

flanny wrote...

F4H bandicoot wrote...

sth128 wrote...

Ghurshog wrote...

They give you a gun that kills a destroyer in one shot of human 'make' (not necessarily human design).

[...]

An Admiral says its not possible conventionally to start with, then you pick up a hand held weapon and blow up a Destroyer Reaper with it.

Are people still confusing the Hades AA cannon with a Reaper destroyer?

Shepard took out a Reaper AA tower with the Cain, not a Reaper destroyer. Every Reaper destroyer Shepard took out was with the aid of either an entire fleet, a giant thresher maw, or a couple of Thanix missiles.

Please don't point to the Hades cannon as a "Reaper destroyer". If it was then Anderson would have said "we need to take out that destroyer" like he did in the final briefing.

It was quite clearly a destroyer with a AA cannon mounted upon it.

is the correct answer 
http://masseffect.wi...ki/Hades_Cannon

It still makes no sense that it take an entire quarian fleet 3 attempts to kill the destroyer, then 1 cain shot to take down the hades (which I assume would have a similar level of armour) and then 2 thanix missile weaken the last destroyer enough for about 30 rockets and 200 guns to finally take it down.

it didn't, if the whole fleet fired it primary weapons they would have caused huge damage to rannoch, they'd likely cause an ice age

besides you see that it's only a couple of ships firing the rest are too busy with the geth

Irrelevent, The galactic fleet does no major damage to Earth despirt missing all the Reapers.
And Edi clearly states the whole fleet is linked, and Shep tells the fleet to fire with the Normandy.

that's because the endings are badly written, if we apply the lore, endings aside, the force from missed shots and damaged ships re-entering the atmosphere will likley cause an iceage on earth a few weeks after the battle.

also edi says, that but only a couple are aligned and fire to make the shot, and again they are only using there small rounds as to not do too much damge, as one string round would kill shepard 

[F4H bandicoot]

flanny wrote...

F4H bandicoot wrote...

flanny wrote...

F4H bandicoot wrote...

flanny wrote...

F4H bandicoot wrote...

sth128 wrote...

Ghurshog wrote...

They give you a gun that kills a destroyer in one shot of human 'make' (not necessarily human design).

[...]

An Admiral says its not possible conventionally to start with, then you pick up a hand held weapon and blow up a Destroyer Reaper with it.

Are people still confusing the Hades AA cannon with a Reaper destroyer?

Shepard took out a Reaper AA tower with the Cain, not a Reaper destroyer. Every Reaper destroyer Shepard took out was with the aid of either an entire fleet, a giant thresher maw, or a couple of Thanix missiles.

Please don't point to the Hades cannon as a "Reaper destroyer". If it was then Anderson would have said "we need to take out that destroyer" like he did in the final briefing.

It was quite clearly a destroyer with a AA cannon mounted upon it.

is the correct answer 
http://masseffect.wi...ki/Hades_Cannon

It still makes no sense that it take an entire quarian fleet 3 attempts to kill the destroyer, then 1 cain shot to take down the hades (which I assume would have a similar level of armour) and then 2 thanix missile weaken the last destroyer enough for about 30 rockets and 200 guns to finally take it down.

it didn't, if the whole fleet fired it primary weapons they would have caused huge damage to rannoch, they'd likely cause an ice age

besides you see that it's only a couple of ships firing the rest are too busy with the geth

Irrelevent, The galactic fleet does no major damage to Earth despirt missing all the Reapers.
And Edi clearly states the whole fleet is linked, and Shep tells the fleet to fire with the Normandy.

that's because the endings are badly written, if we apply the lore, endings aside, the force from missed shots and damaged ships re-entering the atmosphere will likley cause an iceage on earth a few weeks after the battle.

also edi says, that but only a couple are aligned and fire to make the shot, and again they are only using there small rounds as to not do too much damge, as one string round would kill shepard 

We have to take the game as a whole.
We see that because of how EDI can do magic with locking on stuff, the rounds won't miss.

[Conniving_Eagle]

T-Bone665 wrote...

v TricKy v wrote...
There was nothing in ME1 which said they can take the whole galaxy in a head on fight. 

"Our numbers will darken the sky of every world."

You need to go back and read some of the initial posts. Before this cycle, the Reapers would shut down the Mass Relays and invade each system individually. Their numbers can darken the sky of every world, just not simultaneously.

[dreman9999]

Conniving_Eagle wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Conniving_Eagle wrote...

The Twilight God wrote...

Conniving_Eagle wrote...

The Twilight God wrote...

You think?

The Twilight God wrote...

Reaper fleet = 10,000 (each of which are more powerful than any single allied ship)

Allied fleet = 1,000 warships

These aren't actual numbers, of course, but the reaper simply outgunned and outnumbered us.

Love how you removed the context. classic internet hijinks.

The point is we were outgunned AND outnumbered. The combined fleets were just there to occupy the reapers so we could get the Crucible to the Citadel. We were outnumbers at Earth with EVERYTHING we had. And there are tons more reapers across the galaxy.

Conventional victory was 99.99999999999999999999999999999999999999% improbable.

The fact that you are using blatantly conceived numbers to support your argument is telling...

The reapers outnumber us: FACT
Hackett has told you this on numerous occassions. The reapers on Earth alone outnumber our combined force and that's not even all of them.

Each reaper warship is more powerful than any 1 of our ships: FACT
The entire series from ME1 to 3 testifies to this.



The fact that you are sticking your fingers in your ears, shuting your eyes and shouting "lalalalalala" is telling....

The Reapers outnumber us? I don't think so. Hackett never says this. If he does, then quote him, time and place. If the Reapers have the thousands of ships that you claim, then there would be no need to be so cautious about harvesting organic civilizations.

The starchild say the reapers out number us when you pick the refusal choice.

That's your interpretation.

It's the renagade response the the destory explinaiton.... And it's a clear cut interprettion.



Catalyst:Impossible. Your vastly outnumbered.

Modifié par dreman9999, 26 juillet 2012 - 04:15 .

[dreman9999]

v TricKy v wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

v TricKy v wrote...

F4H bandicoot wrote...

flanny wrote...

Conniving_Eagle wrote...

It did not take the entire Quarian fleet to take out the Rannoch Reaper.

this, a couple of ships firing their smallest guns to deliver precision fire were able to take out a reaper... if anything this makes them appear vulnerable.

Also the fact that reaper never thought to shoot at shepard horizontally shows the kind of enemy we're dealing with... idiots 

EDI syncs the quarian fleet at rannoch to fire at the eraper, this is clearly stated in game.

There are three ships firing and not the whole Fleet.
Proof
You do know that the Quarians want to live on the planet and not destroy it?

That's not 3 ships.

Yeah sorry there are four ships firing

Conniving_Eagle wrote...

The Reapers outnumber us? I don't think so. Hackett never says this. If he does, then quote him, time and place. If the Reapers have the thousands of ships that you claim, then there would be no need to be so cautious about harvesting organic civilizations.

Also agree with this. They used cunning tatics instead of brute force in ME1. The Citadel trap, Saren and the geth, the Rachni wars, isolating planets from another. They used backstabbing the whole time. There was nothing in ME1 which said they can take the whole galaxy in a head on fight.  

That's not 4 shipsEther.

[flanny]

T-Bone665 wrote...

v TricKy v wrote...
There was nothing in ME1 which said they can take the whole galaxy in a head on fight. 

"Our numbers will darken the sky of every world."

guess it depends on your interpation, I allways took it as he was saying 'darken' metaphorically, as in all worlds will suffer our wraith... i stand by that there is no evidence of there being more then a few hundred reapers 

[F4H bandicoot]

Conniving_Eagle wrote...

T-Bone665 wrote...

v TricKy v wrote...
There was nothing in ME1 which said they can take the whole galaxy in a head on fight. 

"Our numbers will darken the sky of every world."

You need to go back and read some of the initial posts. Before this cycle, the Reapers would shut down the Mass Relays and invade each system individually. Their numbers can darken the sky of every world, just not simultaneously.

That just makes their job easier, they arn't here for war after all.

[T-Bone665]

dreman9999 wrote...



Catalyst:Impossible. You vastly outnumbered.

Cool. Didn't know that.

[dreman9999]

Conniving_Eagle wrote...

T-Bone665 wrote...

v TricKy v wrote...
There was nothing in ME1 which said they can take the whole galaxy in a head on fight. 

"Our numbers will darken the sky of every world."

You need to go back and read some of the initial posts. Before this cycle, the Reapers would shut down the Mass Relays and invade each system individually. Their numbers can darken the sky of every world, just not simultaneously.

It's the renagade response the the destory explinaiton.... And it's a clear cut interprettion.



Catalyst:Impossible. Your vastly outnumbered.

Added. Look at the star map before the last battle on earth..... They did darken the shy of every world we have.

Modifié par dreman9999, 26 juillet 2012 - 04:16 .

[F4H bandicoot]

People seem to be assuming they have like 10 capitol ships and 3 destroyers.