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[T-Bone665]

flanny wrote...

guess it depends on your interpation, I allways took it as he was saying 'darken' metaphorically, as in all worlds will suffer our wraith... i stand by that there is no evidence of there being more then a few hundred reapers 

It does depend on interpretation - and if you believe him at all. I stand that there is no evidence of there being less than several thousand Reapers and we have reached an impasse

[xsdob]

Maybe possible, but is it probable?

There is a possibility that if you push on a wall continuous without stop that for a breif second you will be able to slip through the particles and atoms and manage to walk through the wall.

Its probability is so low however it's practically impossible.

We didn't prepare for the reapers, we pretended they didn't exist. We didn't unite, we played politics and tried to do everything for our own individual interest.

We at our current level and lack of preparation have no chance to do it conventionally.

[F4H bandicoot]

flanny wrote...

guess it depends on your interpation, I allways took it as he was saying 'darken' metaphorically, as in all worlds will suffer our wraith... i stand by that there is no evidence of there being more then a few hundred reapers 

MAth would be able to prove you wrong.

Modifié par F4H bandicoot, 26 juillet 2012 - 04:18 .

[Conniving_Eagle]

Dreman, do you honestly expect me to believe what the Catalyst says? The ending shouldn't be counted considering it derails from the rest of the series. Do you know what else the Catalyst says? That I would die if I chose Destroy. The Catalyst telling you that you are outnumbered and cannot win is Hudson/Walters forcing you to go with their artistic ending if you want to win and actually complete the game. According the Bioware, there is no canon ending, and they want everyone to interpret their own version *cough cough bad writing cough cough laziness*. IT is still valid. So let's try not to bring something that is entirely open to the player's imagination into evidence.

In the end, conventional victory would have been possible, but it is clear that there was a conflict between the writers, and only two of them wrote the ending.

[sth128]

flanny wrote...

Also the fact that reaper never thought to shoot at shepard horizontally shows the kind of enemy we're dealing with... idiots

It's not like the Reaper suffered a devastating blow to the head with a precision attack so powerful it collapsed a small section of the Geth base.

Oh wait...

BTW you mean "shoot at Shepard directly", not "horizontally".

[F4H bandicoot]

Conniving_Eagle wrote...

Dreman, do you honestly expect me to believe what the Catalyst says? The ending shouldn't be counted considering it derails from the rest of the series. Do you know what else the Catalyst says? That I would die if I chose Destroy. The Catalyst telling you that you are outnumbered and cannot win is Hudson/Walters forcing you to go with their artistic ending if you want to win and actually complete the game. According the Bioware, there is no canon ending, and they want everyone to interpret their own version *cough cough bad writing cough cough laziness*. IT is still valid. So let's try not to bring something that is entirely open to the player's imagination into evidence.

In the end, conventional victory would have been possible, but it is clear that there was a conflict between the writers, and only two of them wrote the ending.

No. it would have been impossible.

[flanny]

dreman9999 wrote...

Conniving_Eagle wrote...

T-Bone665 wrote...

v TricKy v wrote...
There was nothing in ME1 which said they can take the whole galaxy in a head on fight. 

"Our numbers will darken the sky of every world."

You need to go back and read some of the initial posts. Before this cycle, the Reapers would shut down the Mass Relays and invade each system individually. Their numbers can darken the sky of every world, just not simultaneously.

It's the renagade response the the destory explinaiton.... And it's a clear cut interprettion.



Catalyst:Impossible. Your vastly outnumbered.

Added. Look at the star map before the last battle on earth..... They did darken the shy of every world we have.

sourcing star jar  EPIC FAIL 

[sth128]

Conniving_Eagle wrote...

Dreman, do you honestly expect me to believe what the Catalyst says? The ending shouldn't be counted considering it derails from the rest of the series.

Ah yes, discount everything that doesn't agree with your headcanon.

Good plan.

Well if you believe in your head that the galactic fleet outnumbers the Reapers and that humans are winning every a decisive victory in every theater, then what's the point of the discussion?

Clearly you believe nothing as indicated in the game but some alternate universe that exists solely in your head.

Modifié par sth128, 26 juillet 2012 - 04:22 .

[AlanC9]

Conniving_Eagle wrote...
The Reapers outnumber us? I don't think so. Hackett never says this. If he does, then quote him, time and place. If the Reapers have the thousands of ships that you claim, then there would be no need to be so cautious about harvesting organic civilizations.

The Reapers aren't being particularly cautious. If the existing Citadel forces were a real threat to them, they wouldn't be starting the harvest yet. They'd be concentrated in a few powerful fleets, bombing industrial worlds from orbit. Keep wrecking them for a few months, and the Citadel fleets collapse as the economy that supports them collapses. 

Obviously, this isn't a great strategy for the Reapers, since it means a relatively poor harvest. But the Citadel forces have no defense against it, given what's known about the technologies. Even if they can concentrate enough force to defeat one of the Reaper fleets, the Reapers have no reason to actually fight that battle. Just disangage and then fly around the Citadel force. Since the Reapers have something over three times the FTL speed of Citadel forces, the intercepting fleet couldn't do anything except protect one system.

The Reapers may very well find the Citadel races' production capacity threatening, in which case their strategy is a good compromise between neutralizing that production and maximizing the harvest.

Modifié par AlanC9, 26 juillet 2012 - 04:22 .

[Conniving_Eagle]

flanny wrote...

T-Bone665 wrote...

v TricKy v wrote...
There was nothing in ME1 which said they can take the whole galaxy in a head on fight. 

"Our numbers will darken the sky of every world."

guess it depends on your interpation, I allways took it as he was saying 'darken' metaphorically, as in all worlds will suffer our wraith... i stand by that there is no evidence of there being more then a few hundred reapers 

Sovereign wasn't counting on the Reapers not having control of the Citadel/Mass Relays.

[flanny]

F4H bandicoot wrote...

flanny wrote...

guess it depends on your interpation, I allways took it as he was saying 'darken' metaphorically, as in all worlds will suffer our wraith... i stand by that there is no evidence of there being more then a few hundred reapers 

MAth would be able to prove you wrong.

then let it do so, as it hasn't so far

[F4H bandicoot]

flanny wrote...

F4H bandicoot wrote...

flanny wrote...

guess it depends on your interpation, I allways took it as he was saying 'darken' metaphorically, as in all worlds will suffer our wraith... i stand by that there is no evidence of there being more then a few hundred reapers 

MAth would be able to prove you wrong.

then let it do so, as it hasn't so far

I don't have an equation that'd let me work it out.

[Conniving_Eagle]

sth128 wrote...

Conniving_Eagle wrote...

Dreman, do you honestly expect me to believe what the Catalyst says? The ending shouldn't be counted considering it derails from the rest of the series.

Ah yes, discount everything that doesn't agree with your headcanon.

Good plan.

It's not a plan, but it's a perfect plan

Modifié par Conniving_Eagle, 26 juillet 2012 - 04:23 .

[F4H bandicoot]

Conniving_Eagle wrote...

flanny wrote...

T-Bone665 wrote...

v TricKy v wrote...
There was nothing in ME1 which said they can take the whole galaxy in a head on fight. 

"Our numbers will darken the sky of every world."

guess it depends on your interpation, I allways took it as he was saying 'darken' metaphorically, as in all worlds will suffer our wraith... i stand by that there is no evidence of there being more then a few hundred reapers 

Sovereign wasn't counting on the Reapers not having control of the Citadel/Mass Relays.

They do though. And then they just leave the charon relay open.

[flanny]

F4H bandicoot wrote...

People seem to be assuming they have like 10 capitol ships and 3 destroyers.

yes that is what people are saying, you're not completely making up a number to make those who disagree with you look stupid... oh wait you are

[dreman9999]

Conniving_Eagle wrote...

Dreman, do you honestly expect me to believe what the Catalyst says? The ending shouldn't be counted considering it derails from the rest of the series. Do you know what else the Catalyst says? That I would die if I chose Destroy. The Catalyst telling you that you are outnumbered and cannot win is Hudson/Walters forcing you to go with their artistic ending if you want to win and actually complete the game. According the Bioware, there is no canon ending, and they want everyone to interpret their own version *cough cough bad writing cough cough laziness*. IT is still valid. So let's try not to bring something that is entirely open to the player's imagination into evidence.

In the end, conventional victory would have been possible, but it is clear that there was a conflict between the writers, and only two of them wrote the ending.

Yes.  Pick refuse and see what happens. He say the reaper have way more ships then you do. aND THEN WHEN TO Let the fight out is refuse, guess what...You LOSE.  The reapers told you they have more ships then you dod in ME1. iN me3 your never given a number of the ships but it's know they have more ships then we do. Before the last battle on earth you see the starmap covered with reapers.
You belief ,as the starchild says, is not required. The reaper are going to steam rolly no matter what you beleive. What you beliveis not fact. Cnventional victory is not possible. That is that.

[F4H bandicoot]

flanny wrote...

F4H bandicoot wrote...

People seem to be assuming they have like 10 capitol ships and 3 destroyers.

yes that is what people are saying, you're not completely making up a number to make those who disagree with you look stupid... oh wait you are

oh yeah and where did I do that??

[flanny]

F4H bandicoot wrote...

flanny wrote...

F4H bandicoot wrote...

flanny wrote...

guess it depends on your interpation, I allways took it as he was saying 'darken' metaphorically, as in all worlds will suffer our wraith... i stand by that there is no evidence of there being more then a few hundred reapers 

MAth would be able to prove you wrong.

then let it do so, as it hasn't so far

I don't have an equation that'd let me work it out.

so math can't prove me wrong then? 

[dreman9999]

flanny wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Conniving_Eagle wrote...

T-Bone665 wrote...

v TricKy v wrote...
There was nothing in ME1 which said they can take the whole galaxy in a head on fight. 

"Our numbers will darken the sky of every world."

You need to go back and read some of the initial posts. Before this cycle, the Reapers would shut down the Mass Relays and invade each system individually. Their numbers can darken the sky of every world, just not simultaneously.

It's the renagade response the the destory explinaiton.... And it's a clear cut interprettion.



Catalyst:Impossible. Your vastly outnumbered.

Added. Look at the star map before the last battle on earth..... They did darken the shy of every world we have.

sourcing star jar  EPIC FAIL 

Pick refuse. See what happens. Of all the being that would know the number the reapers have, the being that is every reaper at once would be the one to know. And if you pick refuse, you lose....That means his right.

[F4H bandicoot]

flanny wrote...

F4H bandicoot wrote...

flanny wrote...

F4H bandicoot wrote...

flanny wrote...

guess it depends on your interpation, I allways took it as he was saying 'darken' metaphorically, as in all worlds will suffer our wraith... i stand by that there is no evidence of there being more then a few hundred reapers 

MAth would be able to prove you wrong.

then let it do so, as it hasn't so far

I don't have an equation that'd let me work it out.

so math can't prove me wrong then? 

Of course it can, if someone spent time working out an equation to determine the number of reaper ships, you'd be proven wrong.

Modifié par F4H bandicoot, 26 juillet 2012 - 04:27 .

[T-Bone665]

flanny wrote...

so math can't prove me wrong then? 

As it would all be based on estimates, it can't prove you wrong. But it also can't prove you right, which is what would be needed to convince people that a conventional victory is possible although it is stated otherwise.

[AlanC9]

xsdob wrote...

Maybe possible, but is it probable?

There is a possibility that if you push on a wall continuous without stop that for a breif second you will be able to slip through the particles and atoms and manage to walk through the wall.

Its probability is so low however it's practically impossible.

We didn't prepare for the reapers, we pretended they didn't exist. We didn't unite, we played politics and tried to do everything for our own individual interest.

We at our current level and lack of preparation have no chance to do it conventionally.

That's about the right probability.

It's like the original War of the Worlds. Being able to blow up a Martian tripod here and there does not mean you're able to win the war. I wonder if H.G. Wells was criticized for ending the book with space magic rather than letting the Royal Navy win a conventional victory

Modifié par AlanC9, 26 juillet 2012 - 04:28 .

[AresKeith]

ew someone agreeing with the Starbrat

[flanny]

dreman9999 wrote...

Conniving_Eagle wrote...

Dreman, do you honestly expect me to believe what the Catalyst says? The ending shouldn't be counted considering it derails from the rest of the series. Do you know what else the Catalyst says? That I would die if I chose Destroy. The Catalyst telling you that you are outnumbered and cannot win is Hudson/Walters forcing you to go with their artistic ending if you want to win and actually complete the game. According the Bioware, there is no canon ending, and they want everyone to interpret their own version *cough cough bad writing cough cough laziness*. IT is still valid. So let's try not to bring something that is entirely open to the player's imagination into evidence.

In the end, conventional victory would have been possible, but it is clear that there was a conflict between the writers, and only two of them wrote the ending.

Yes.  Pick refuse and see what happens. He say the reaper have way more ships then you do. aND THEN WHEN TO Let the fight out is refuse, guess what...You LOSE.  The reapers told you they have more ships then you dod in ME1. iN me3 your never given a number of the ships but it's know they have more ships then we do. Before the last battle on earth you see the starmap covered with reapers.
You belief ,as the starchild says, is not required. The reaper are going to steam rolly no matter what you beleive. What you beliveis not fact. Cnventional victory is not possible. That is that.

that's because the endings are badly written and because of the nature as a contrivance and their conflict with past lore they cannot be used as good lore. besides the refuse ending was only put in their to get back at fans so you can hardly rely on it

[dreman9999]

flanny wrote...

F4H bandicoot wrote...

flanny wrote...

F4H bandicoot wrote...

flanny wrote...

guess it depends on your interpation, I allways took it as he was saying 'darken' metaphorically, as in all worlds will suffer our wraith... i stand by that there is no evidence of there being more then a few hundred reapers 

MAth would be able to prove you wrong.

then let it do so, as it hasn't so far

I don't have an equation that'd let me work it out.

so math can't prove me wrong then? 

The thing is we don't know the number for reaper ship the reapers have but we do know it's way more then what we have. We at least know how limited we are. ANd based on the shown limits we have, we don't have the ship numbers to match up with the reapers.