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[Omnifarious Nef]

Cobra5 wrote...

I don't- I CAN'T- believe this is true. Any of it.

This entire discussion is a conspiracy to get to me to try it and look foolish in front of everyone.

A decent smg... A decent common... but, a decent common smg? Its hard to even type that out...

Well, according to numbers, it's damn near better than every gun in the game.

[MIA115]

Just took a look, the only weapons that can out do the Shruiken in single target DPS are the Hurricane, Pirahna, and a reload canceled, perfectly accurate, Claymore.

Damn.

[galaxygrunt]

I hadn't even thought of the shuriken in light of the new mods. I'll definitely try it out when I get home.

[Immaculate J]

Hmm.. maybe I'll try it out.. and for people having a nerdgasms on dps it still looses out against the majority of guns against armor and that's a deal breaker for me,

[Omnifarious Nef]

Hey, random question while messing with numbers.
These specs:
AMD A-Series A6-4400M processor
4GB memory; 500GB hard drive

What kind of games can it run? New gen stuff? i.e. Skyrim, Mass Effect, etc. Or old older stuff like Sim city 4, Mech Warrior 3, etc? I've no idea the size of the CPU. They seem to like not incuding Ghz on new laptop specs anymore. My old computer was a 2.1 dual core. It could run basic stuff like Minecraft and Starcraft II on mid range graphics.

[Omnifarious Nef]

Immaculate J wrote...

Hmm.. maybe I'll try it out.. and for people having a nerdgasms on dps it still looses out against the majority of guns against armor and that's a deal breaker for me,

lvl V HV barrel = 90% armor reduction.

[soultaker65]

Cobra5 wrote...

I don't- I CAN'T- believe this is true. Any of it.

This entire discussion is a conspiracy to get to me to try it and look foolish in front of everyone.

A decent smg... A decent common... but, a decent common smg? Its hard to even type that out...

I'm still in shock that two weapon mods can turn one of the worst guns in the game in to maybe the best side-arm in the game. I mean you can put this on any caster with any Pistols and your cooldown will stay between 200% and 150% and the Weight comes from the Pistol not the Shuriken.

[soultaker65]

NeferiusX3 wrote...

Hey, random question while messing with numbers.
These specs:
AMD A-Series A6-4400M processor
4GB memory; 500GB hard drive

What kind of games can it run? New gen stuff? i.e. Skyrim, Mass Effect, etc. Or old older stuff like Sim city 4, Mech Warrior 3, etc? I've no idea the size of the CPU. They seem to like not incuding Ghz on new laptop specs anymore. My old computer was a 2.1 dual core. It could run basic stuff like Minecraft and Starcraft II on mid range graphics.

if you put (can I run it) in google it will take you to a website that will tell you what games you can play on your pc. 

[Immaculate J]

NeferiusX3 wrote...

Immaculate J wrote...

Hmm.. maybe I'll try it out.. and for people having a nerdgasms on dps it still looses out against the majority of guns against armor and that's a deal breaker for me,

lvl V HV barrel = 90% armor reduction.

at X the shuriken has damage per bullet of 48.3. With a caster build +10% and a weapon build +30% meaing a DPB of 53.3 and 62.79 respectively. Armor takes off 50 and with HV barrel it only takes away 10 which means armor still atkes away around 20% or 16% which is is still pretty big.

[Meri-Em]

Don't be fooled. 1100 rpm with 48,3 dmg per round sounds good on paper but you don't actually fire 18 bullets per second. It's 9 if not less thanks to the break between the 6-round bursts. Your model for calculating it's dps is flawed.

[Omnifarious Nef]

soultaker65 wrote...

NeferiusX3 wrote...

Hey, random question while messing with numbers.
These specs:
AMD A-Series A6-4400M processor
4GB memory; 500GB hard drive

What kind of games can it run? New gen stuff? i.e. Skyrim, Mass Effect, etc. Or old older stuff like Sim city 4, Mech Warrior 3, etc? I've no idea the size of the CPU. They seem to like not incuding Ghz on new laptop specs anymore. My old computer was a 2.1 dual core. It could run basic stuff like Minecraft and Starcraft II on mid range graphics.

if you put (can I run it) in google it will take you to a website that will tell you what games you can play on your pc. 

I know of the site, any places where you can insert your information manually? I haven't bought the laptop yet.

[Omnifarious Nef]

Meri-Em wrote...

Don't be fooled. 1100 rpm with 48,3 dmg per round sounds good on paper but you don't actually fire 18 bullets per second. It's 9 if not less thanks to the break between the 6-round bursts. Your model for calculating it's dps is flawed.

Well, tell that to the devolpers of the formulas then.

[soultaker65]

Meri-Em wrote...

Don't be fooled. 1100 rpm with 48,3 dmg per round sounds good on paper but you don't actually fire 18 bullets per second. It's 9 if not less thanks to the break between the 6-round bursts. Your model for calculating it's dps is flawed.

It's not the rpm I'm talking about it's the armor damage that the Shuriken X does with the High-Velocity Barrel and it's Accuracy with the Recoil System. 

[soultaker65]

NeferiusX3 wrote...

soultaker65 wrote...

NeferiusX3 wrote...

Hey, random question while messing with numbers.
These specs:
AMD A-Series A6-4400M processor
4GB memory; 500GB hard drive

What kind of games can it run? New gen stuff? i.e. Skyrim, Mass Effect, etc. Or old older stuff like Sim city 4, Mech Warrior 3, etc? I've no idea the size of the CPU. They seem to like not incuding Ghz on new laptop specs anymore. My old computer was a 2.1 dual core. It could run basic stuff like Minecraft and Starcraft II on mid range graphics.

if you put (can I run it) in google it will take you to a website that will tell you what games you can play on your pc. 

I know of the site, any places where you can insert your information manually? I haven't bought the laptop yet.

Sorry that all I got.

[Prawny]

OneTrueShot wrote...

THAT MAN IS A TROLL.

Just tested it against Gold/Geth. It's still about as effective as the locust.

You're doing it wrong.

[Meri-Em]

If soultaker65 would have bothered to play with the shuriken he would have noticed...
This gun is still rubbish!

[Agueybana]

I would be pleased with some further testing.

Would try it myself, but can't leave work, have to set up OR2. Can't let anyone else do it, they might get it wrong.

Really though, this gives me hope. This is what new additions should do. Change the old, and the way we look at, use, and perform with them.

Modifié par Agueybana, 26 juillet 2012 - 11:36 .

[soultaker65]

Meri-Em wrote...

If soultaker65 would have bothered to play with the shuriken he would have noticed...
This gun is still rubbish!

I wouldn't have posted this if I had not tried it out first. Did you try it before you posted? Did you read the whole thread before you posted?

[Wraithwain]

Surely this thread speaks lies! A common gun! Hah! Nonsense!

But then, your science is seems sound. Interesting.

I'll need myself those new gear to test for myself.

EDIT: Have to do it myself. Someone else might get it wrong.

NeferiusX3 wrote...

AMD A-Series A6-4400M processor
...

What kind of games can it run? New gen stuff? i.e. Skyrim, Mass Effect, etc.

It's technically a 2.7 GHZ dual core, with a built in Radeon HD 7520G, and should be able to run Skyrim, ME3 relatively okay at medium settings; may probably struggle with newer games on high. It'll eat most older games alive though.

A laptop, I presume?

Modifié par Wraithwain, 26 juillet 2012 - 12:21 .

[Omnifarious Nef]

Wraithwain wrote...

Surely this thread speaks lies! A common gun! Hah! Nonsense!

But then, your science is seems sound. Interesting.

I'll need myself those new gear to test for myself.

NeferiusX3 wrote...

AMD A-Series A6-4400M processor
...

What kind of games can it run? New gen stuff? i.e. Skyrim, Mass Effect, etc.

It's technically a 2.7 GHZ dual core, with a built in Radeon HD 7520G, and should be able to run Skyrim, ME3 relatively okay at medium settings; may probably struggle with newer games. It'll eat most older games alive though.
A laptop, I presume?

Yes, a laptop, it's $400 dollars, the next biggest laptop was 800 with an i3. But I didn't feel like paying twice as much. So I was looking at this one, it's got wi-fi a camera and all that happy stuff. If it can play my Skyrim etc, that's a bonus. If not, I still have a vast collection of older games I own, (I believe somewhere in the high 70's) From C&C 95 to modern games.

[Poekel]

If the stats haven't changed the Shuriken isn't better than the Hornet (under perfect circumstances). If the stat sheet still is correct Shurikens damage at 10 ist 48.3 and its refire rate is 1100. People seem to forget that the Shuriken has a minimum refire time of 0.5:

Refire time of 0.5 and Round per Burst of 6 means that you can fire a maximum of 12 bullets per second. This would be a DPS of 579.6 without considering reloading.

The Hornet has a Refire Time of 0.15 and takes 0.6 seconds to fire a bullet; Without reloading the DPS und perfect conditions (you manage to press the button exactly every 0.15 seconds) the dps would be 1120.

If you don't want to click all the time, take the Tempest.

[Meri-Em]

soultaker65 wrote...

Meri-Em wrote...

If soultaker65 would have bothered to play with the shuriken he would have noticed...
This gun is still rubbish!

I wouldn't have posted this if I had not tried it out first. Did you try it before you posted? Did you read the whole thread before you posted?

Where did you get those fantabulous dps numbers? And yes I checked just now... count the seconds it takes you to empty your magazine, then come back here with your conclusions
Shuriken = rubbish!!

[Omnifarious Nef]

Meri-Em wrote...

soultaker65 wrote...

Meri-Em wrote...

If soultaker65 would have bothered to play with the shuriken he would have noticed...
This gun is still rubbish!

I wouldn't have posted this if I had not tried it out first. Did you try it before you posted? Did you read the whole thread before you posted?

Where did you get those fantabulous dps numbers? And yes I checked just now... count the seconds it takes you to empty your magazine, then come back here with your conclusions
Shuriken = rubbish!!

I'll do some testing, take some videos etc later today. See how it stacks up etc.

[soultaker65]

The best way to test this is to do three matches on gold, silver, or bronze do one with the Vindicator with Assault Rifle Stability Damper and Assault Rifle Piercing Mod, one with the Hornet with SMG High-Velocity Barrel and SMG Recoil System, and one with the Shuriken with SMG High-Velocity Barrel and SMG Recoil System.

No Consumables, no gear that boosts damage, same character, same enemy, and try for headshots at all times. See which one kill faster and there you go.

Modifié par soultaker65, 26 juillet 2012 - 11:48 .

[Meri-Em]

What is there to test? I just counted as a human soldier with a "naked" weapon:
~4 seconds to empty one full magazine, followed by a short reload.
If you are looking for accurate damage numbers try Tangsters spreadsheets.
I'm sure they float around here somewhere.
edit: http://social.biowar...2294/1#10712294 looky here

Modifié par Meri-Em, 26 juillet 2012 - 11:55 .