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[gh0st wh1sp3r]

Shuriken + HVB + ULM = burst fire happiness with amazing cooldown bonuses. Perfect for hit-and-run play styles. I've nicknamed mine, "Korean Housewife."

Modifié par gh0st wh1sp3r, 26 juillet 2012 - 08:11 .

[uzivatel]

gh0st wh1sp3r wrote...

Shuriken + HVB + ULM = burst fire happiness with amazing cooldown bonuses. Perfect for hit-and-run play styles.

May as well only run.

[gh0st wh1sp3r]

uzivatel wrote...

gh0st wh1sp3r wrote...

Shuriken + HVB + ULM = burst fire happiness with amazing cooldown bonuses. Perfect for hit-and-run play styles.

May as well only run.

On a power-based class, guns are optional, cupcake.

[Jay_Hoxtatron]

gh0st wh1sp3r wrote...

Shuriken + HVB + ULM = burst fire happiness with amazing cooldown bonuses. Perfect for hit-and-run play styles. I've nicknamed mine, "Korean Housewife."

ULM doesn't work on SMGs man, except the Geth SMG. Try the extended magazine.

[Someone With Mass]

lightsnow13 wrote...

I hate what they did to the vindicator. It's almost as if it requires the recoil mod to even be used. Coming from ME2 - they crapped the crap out of that gun...then again..they did it to a lot of ME2 guns. (Revenant, locust, incisor)

Not that Incisor was good in ME2 either. It was good as a squadmate weapon and that's it.

[Rafahil893]

gh0st wh1sp3r wrote...

Shuriken + HVB + ULM = burst fire happiness with amazing cooldown bonuses. Perfect for hit-and-run play styles. I've nicknamed mine, "Korean Housewife."

lol that's a funny nickname

[uzivatel]

gh0st wh1sp3r wrote...

uzivatel wrote...

gh0st wh1sp3r wrote...

Shuriken + HVB + ULM = burst fire happiness with amazing cooldown bonuses. Perfect for hit-and-run play styles.

May as well only run.

On a power-based class, guns are optional, cupcake.

Even optional weapons dont need to suck.
Chances are players with HVB unlocked have some half decent weapon. Then again even Predator is better than Shuriken.

Modifié par uzivatel, 26 juillet 2012 - 08:26 .

[Cede_Nullis]

Dbohr wrote...

I'll give you that HVB makes it viable as a second weapon on caster classes, though.

I'd just like to point out that this comment IS the OP's point. It's NOT meant to be a main weapon, but a reliable sidearm. I've actually taken to running Shurikan X/Carnifex X on my caster classes at the moment in order to get near max cooldown and a reliable weapon combo.

Admittedly, if I had more weapons maxed out or played more Gold games my opinion might be different, but as a mostly silver player I like it.

[Untonic]

 I always thought the Shuriken looked cool on my hip, now I can use it? 

[Xaijin]

rmccowen wrote...

soultaker65 wrote...

@ Meri-Em & rmccowen

if I'm not mistaken the Vindicator, and Hornet fire three round per shot while the Shuriken fires six if that is the case doesn't that mean that every 1-2 seconds the Shuriken fires 12-18 round while the Vindicator, and Hornet fire 6-9 round right?
so how does that factor in to the math?

The Vindicator fires a three-round burst at 550 rounds per minute, with a minimum refire time of 0.25s. The Hornet fires a three-round burst at 1000 rounds per minute, with a minimum refire time of 0.15s.

So while the Shuriken puts 6 rounds out every 0.82 seconds (7.3 rounds per second), the Vindicator puts out 3 rounds every 0.58s (5.2 rounds per second), and the Hornet puts out 3 rounds ever 0.33s (9.1 rounds per second). Of the three, the Shuriken has by far the lowest damage per round, which leads to a lower DPS.

and with almost no recoil can't you aim for the head with every shot?

Accuracy and recoil are separate stat lines in ME3 (actually multiple stat lines for each). A gun with good accuracy will have a tight grouping of shots, whereas a gun with low recoil will be easy to keep on target.

A gun with good accuracy and high recoil--say, the Hornet--will put rounds right where the crosshairs indicate, but it will be hard to keep the crosshairs on target. A gun with moderate accuracy and low recoil--say, the Shuriken--will have a nice stable set of crosshairs, but the rounds won't necessarily go to the center of the crosshairs. (That's much more of an issue at long range than in CQC.)

I'm glad people are equipping the Shuriken and liking it--but what you're seeing is that the mods indicated in the thread title are very good, and that full-auto weapons don't really deserve their reputation on the forum here. If you equipped the recoil and AP mods on a Phaeston, for instance, you'd see about twice the performance you're currently getting out of the Shuriken.

He doesn't get it. This is the same guy saying the PPR is platinum ready weapon simply by dint of X4 overclock. I can guarantee you you're not going to stick your face out of cover long enough to enjoy it sort of kind of depleting shields on a phantom while her friend carves you a new intestinal receptacle.

[soultaker65]

Xaijin wrote...

He doesn't get it. This is the same guy saying the PPR is platinum ready weapon simply by dint of X4 overclock. I can guarantee you you're not going to stick your face out of cover long enough to enjoy it sort of kind of depleting shields on a phantom while her friend carves you a new intestinal receptacle.

I have never said that the PR was a good weapon for Platinum the PR is good on Gold but why would you take it to Platinum?

And from my very first post I have said the Shuriken X is a good side-arm. I don't know where people got the idea that the Shuriken is a good main weapon.

[Seerezaro]

I tried it, admittedly it was only a solo-bronze. But it seemed to perform about as well as a phalanx in killing non-armor. Minus the accuracy however, which is a major downside. Then again its noticably lighter.

Good set-up for a side-arm

[Learn To Love Yourself]

gh0st wh1sp3r wrote...

Shuriken + HVB + ULM = burst fire happiness with amazing cooldown bonuses. Perfect for hit-and-run play styles. I've nicknamed mine, "Korean Housewife."

Not cool.  As a Korean, I take offense to this type of inane comment.  The forums are not a place to spread racially stereotypical falsities like this.  I don't know how old you are, but if you are over the age of 10, you'd know that we bind our housewives' feet to prevent them from being able to physically run.

Next time, get your facts straight before spewing this kind of crap and embarrassing yourself.

Thanks

[Thoragoros]

soultaker65 wrote...

With SMG High-Velocity Barrel and SMG Recoil System the Shuriken X is now the best Common weapon to use, and maybe the second best SMG in the game next to the Hurricane.

And before you say no go try it yourself and tell me it's not at least a good back up weapon.

The best way to test this is to do three matches on gold, silver, or bronze do one with the Vindicator with Assault Rifle Stability Damper and Assault Rifle Piercing Mod, one with the Hornet with SMG High-Velocity Barrel and SMG Recoil System, and one with the Shuriken with SMG High-Velocity Barrel and SMG Recoil System.

No Consumables, no gear that boosts damage, same character, same enemy, and try for headshots at all times. See which one kills faster and there you go.

The problem is this, the Vindicator and Hornet still need some serious buffing.  The Shuriken, frankly, is probably about where it should be, or maybe a tad bit passed where it should be.  So it is fine as is, basically.

The Hornet, on the other hand, is hands down the worst SMG in the game.  It has massive kick, and relatively light damage, due primarily to the fact that it is incredibly hard to make all three shots hit their target beyond shotgun range.

The Vindicator, sad to say, my fav ME2 weapon has been seriously underpowered since day one.

[rmccowen]

soultaker65 wrote...

And from my very first post I have said the Shuriken X is a good side-arm. I don't know where people got the idea that the Shuriken is a good main weapon.

People got that idea from the post title, which compares it to the Vindicator, Hornet, Avenger, Mantis, Katana, and Predator.

[humes spork]

Xaijin wrote...

He doesn't get it. This is the same guy saying the PPR is platinum ready weapon simply by dint of X4 overclock. I can guarantee you you're not going to stick your face out of cover long enough to enjoy it sort of kind of depleting shields on a phantom while her friend carves you a new intestinal receptacle.

The PPR is a platinum-viable weapon. It's not our problem you don't know how to use it.

[Equip the PPR with mag capacity, and pre-charge the rifle from soft cover before stepping out to fire at enemies.]

Modifié par humes spork, 27 juillet 2012 - 04:11 .

[gh0st wh1sp3r]

Jay_Hoxtatron wrote...

gh0st wh1sp3r wrote...

Shuriken + HVB + ULM = burst fire happiness with amazing cooldown bonuses. Perfect for hit-and-run play styles. I've nicknamed mine, "Korean Housewife."

ULM doesn't work on SMGs man, except the Geth SMG. Try the extended magazine.

Silly you. GSRM Redneck already proved that ULM works on SMGs & Pistols when equipped at the same time.

[Lambda_00]

humes spork wrote...

Xaijin wrote...

He doesn't get it. This is the same guy saying the PPR is platinum ready weapon simply by dint of X4 overclock. I can guarantee you you're not going to stick your face out of cover long enough to enjoy it sort of kind of depleting shields on a phantom while her friend carves you a new intestinal receptacle.

The PPR is a platinum-viable weapon. It's not our problem you don't know how to use it.

[Equip the PPR with mag capacity, and pre-charge the rifle from soft cover before stepping out to fire at enemies.]

PPR + Mag Cap + Destroyer (Both Mag Cap) + Soft Cover = <3

[HNNNNNNG]

I tried it on a human soldier. went for max weapon dmg and head shot damage in adrenaline rush and the soldier thingy (before fitness)

I must say, it was pretty odd. I did get first in a silver (one behind me was a shadow who was close to my score). I just ran around with adrenaline rush effectively ALWAYS on and aimed for head shots.
It was against cerberus and it was on firebase jade (that's the salarian one, right?). Did pretty good, I was very surprised

edit:
Maybe not the best, but it sure isn't complete crap.

Modifié par HNNNNNNG, 28 juillet 2012 - 12:03 .

[soultaker65]

I Edited the first post to clear up some of the confusion.

[soultaker65]

Pedactor wrote...

Correct me if I'm wrong:

The Vindicator Staggers targets, the Shuriken doesn't.

Staggered targets = more shots out of cover = more headshots, no?

Unless I'm wrong and the Vindicator is like the GPR which is why I don't understand why anybody would use either over a myriad of other guns.

Also, Semi-auto's tend to mean Carpal tunnel in my experience outside of pistols and shotguns.

You can stagger an enemy by doing enough damage to it or hitting it with enough force. 

[Serge_THE_GREAT]

This must be another one of Gavorn's tricks!

YEEAAARGH!

I will try this weapon later... human.

[rmccowen]

Serge_THE_GREAT wrote...

This must be another one of Gavorn's tricks!

YEEAAARGH!

I will try this weapon later... human.

Not a trick, just a misperception. The Shuriken's "naked" DPS is not good; the HVB lets it keep more damage against armor, but that doesn't make it good. The recoil system reduces the recoil, but doesn't improve its accuracy.

The Shuriken is not good. It's not even as good as the Avenger. I do encourage you to try it, but moderate your expectations.