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[Dokteur Kill]

GallowsPole wrote...
PC sales have been declining for years. There was even talk at one time of literally killing the PC market. And, what, they stopped manufacturing Xbox 8 years ago? You think the old Xbox has the same hardware as the slim? They can easily upgrade it.

No, they can't. A lot of the improvements to console games over the last 3-4 years have mainly been about programmers learning to work directly towards the hardware rather than through APIs.

Sure, they can change the hardware for cheaper versions of the same, manufactured with modern techniques. But it needs to be functionally the same with the same performance. Otherwise, they'll break a lot of the existing games.

[Satirist]

so you noticed disdain towards console players on the forums? all i notice, is xbox players complaining about the allegedly disdain from pc users. so to answer your question: it's imagination.

though as a member of the highborn pc gaming master race, i'm always up for a joke at the cost of console players. but that's not the cause but rather the effect of console players complaining about disrespectful pc players.

[GallowsPole]

count_4 wrote...

GallowsPole wrote...
Games are not written for the latest and greatest hardware,ever,either.

I guess there are concole players I don't like after all. The ones talking inflammatory nonsense like your post. 
Of course there are games developed for the greatest hardware, some games even developed for hardware not yet existing. Crysis is a good example as are Serious Sam 3 and Metro 2033. Battlefield 3 plays in that league as well and so does the Witcher 2. 
However, you'll notice a pattern here: All these games have a strong focus on the PC.

Code is updated. That's all. At the time of development, they develop for the masses, not the three people who "may" purchase new hardware. The drivers themselves get updated. Repeatedly and often. If your statement were true, they never would. They can lay the basis for that with the kits they purchase from the maker, IF, the code exists. And I forget, how many patches we up to in those games you mentioned? 

[JoltDealer]

Mass Effect came out the Xbox 360 almost seven months before it came out on PC. Not saying it justifies consoles getting more focus, but it's not news. The hate is really unnecessary. The Mass Effect series is great! Why does someone always have to be pissed off about something?

[RonnyB]

I actually feel bad for some of the developers. You know they want to push the limits of newer hardware but until Sony/Microsoft decide it's time for new consoles their hands are tied.

[Senshirou]

What I want to say is really rude, but what I will say is..... to each their own.

Sincerly, Owner of a mac, xbox, and ps3 (guess what system I play this on)

Modifié par Senshirou, 26 juillet 2012 - 12:04 .

[Haseeo]

What are you talking about you should all be grateful that we're even allowed on the same forum as our pc master race overlords and their star child like sense

[GallowsPole]

Dokteur Kill wrote...

GallowsPole wrote...
PC sales have been declining for years. There was even talk at one time of literally killing the PC market. And, what, they stopped manufacturing Xbox 8 years ago? You think the old Xbox has the same hardware as the slim? They can easily upgrade it.

No, they can't. A lot of the improvements to console games over the last 3-4 years have mainly been about programmers learning to work directly towards the hardware rather than through APIs.

Sure, they can change the hardware for cheaper versions of the same, manufactured with modern techniques. But it needs to be functionally the same with the same performance. Otherwise, they'll break a lot of the existing games.

Yes, correct, and why we have to shell out 400 bucks for a whole new Xbox and not merely updating drivers.

[count_4]

GallowsPole wrote...

count_4 wrote...

GallowsPole wrote...
Games are not written for the latest and greatest hardware,ever,either.

I guess there are concole players I don't like after all. The ones talking inflammatory nonsense like your post. 
Of course there are games developed for the greatest hardware, some games even developed for hardware not yet existing. Crysis is a good example as are Serious Sam 3 and Metro 2033. Battlefield 3 plays in that league as well and so does the Witcher 2. 
However, you'll notice a pattern here: All these games have a strong focus on the PC.

Code is updated. That's all. At the time of development, they develop for the masses, not the three people who "may" purchase new hardware. The drivers themselves get updated. Repeatedly and often. If your statement were true, they never would. They can lay the basis for that with the kits they purchase from the maker, IF, the code exists. And I forget, how many patches we up to in those games you mentioned? 

Dude, if you don't know what you're talking about, don't talk about it. These games I stated were developed for the best hardware at time of release, some of them (Crysis, Serious Sam 3, Metro 2033) even for hardware that didn't exist at the time.
And there are no 'kits' for PC development. There are engines and engines have the tendency to scale to the hardware. In the case of the games mentioned, the engines scaled down because they were meant for higher tier hardware than was available.

[Deek2099]

I'd love to quote a few of this but it's too much of a hassle on my phone. so I'll just ask this. I play on an Xbox so I'm not as smart as a pc user did I read that right? I run a store that does 100 mil a yr, I manage 400 associates and I build custom gaming computers on the side. Oh and I wrote my own virus protection software but a pc gamer is smarter because they click a mouse...
Seems right.
Wow

[Cole Frehlen]

I had the choice of buying a £2000 gaming rig, or spending the same on a macbook pro for audio/video editing and design/illustration work. I went with the mac, and play ME on the Xbox. I'm happy with my choice.

[Beelzebubs]

The disdain?

On PC people rarely use voice chat and generally get on with the game.
On XBox people always use voice chat and generally call each other noobs and be ****s.
On PS3 nobody uses voice chat and really, who cares about PS3 ME3. (I say that as a proud PS3 owner)

Modifié par Beelzebubs, 26 juillet 2012 - 12:20 .

[Ravenmyste]

Gazz66666 wrote...

Because we lowly consolists haven't spent quite enough money on our "rigs" so we are the scrubs of the gaming society.

In all seriousness. Friend of mine has a gaming rig. It cost him around £2000 or so, £1000 was just for the case. £2000 is more than I was going to be paying for a car. The truth is that while i'd love a gaming rig to play **** like ME3 and Skyrim on the best settings available, it's not economically viable. Which is why I prefer to pay £200 or so and buy a PS3 or an Xbox which is ten times less than my friends rig, it'll always have the correct minimum requirements to play any game and I won't have to buy new parts for it every six months, when the current parts are obsolete.

Or at least I would if I didn't have such abysmal luck with Play stations.

^
this wins all arguments on this issue and subject regardless of what everyone thinks its matter what you want to pay for and what you can afford if you want to have bleeding edge graphics and or have a job that requires us to have a need for it...

basically consoles are for those who dont want to spend a yearly pay check to get something that maybe outdated in 6 months to a year. when buying a new computer

[RonnyB]

Cole Frehlen wrote...

I had the choice of buying a £2000 gaming rig, or spending the same on a macbook pro for audio/video editing and design/illustration work. I went with the mac, and play ME on the Xbox. I'm happy with my choice.

I don't understand why people think they have to spend that much to get a good gaming PC. No, you don't have to run dual video cards with liquid cooling and 16 gigs of ram.

[Beelzebubs]

RonnyB wrote...

Cole Frehlen wrote...

I had the choice of buying a £2000 gaming rig, or spending the same on a macbook pro for audio/video editing and design/illustration work. I went with the mac, and play ME on the Xbox. I'm happy with my choice.

I don't understand why people think they have to spend that much to get a good gaming PC. No, you don't have to run dual video cards with liquid cooling and 16 gigs of ram.

I also don't understand why people think spending money on a good PC means it will be used only for gaming....

[Cole Frehlen]

The point was more that I chose to drop 2 grand on a mac than spend any on a pc for gaming. But if I did buy a gaming rig, you can bet it would be top notch. I'd probably build it myself though.

[Nissun]

How many PC players does it take to change a lightbulb?

None. Their superior lightbulbs never burn out.

J/k, I just think that bringing up gaming platforms of choice into conversations as an issue is being a smartass and kind of a ******. Which by the way, happens all the time in this forum. And I don't think pc players realize how offensive they are being whenever they open their mouths to say something like that.

[Beelzebubs]

Cole Frehlen wrote...

The point was more that I chose to drop 2 grand on a mac than spend any on a pc for gaming. But if I did buy a gaming rig, you can bet it would be top notch. I'd probably build it myself though.

Only reason I don't use macs for rendering is because I like to upgrade every couple of years without forking out another couple of grand.

[bob2.0]

Lord Chun wrote...

Mandalore do you remember the great crash of the 80's I do and it was nintendos little gray box that helped rebuild the industry sooooo you should thank console makers just saying

And it was Atari that caused it.
Your memory must be getting bad in your old age.

[Agueybana]

RonnyB wrote...

I actually feel bad for some of the developers. You know they want to push the limits of newer hardware but until Sony/Microsoft decide it's time for new consoles their hands are tied.

Lament more for the developers, since it's their publishers who ink deals with the console companies tieing their hands and staying their feet. Worst is that developers now seem to be forced to start development on consoles and port it over to PC. Add to that that this console generation looks to be the longest running, or already is.

[bob2.0]

Cole Frehlen wrote...

The point was more that I chose to drop 2 grand on a mac than spend any on a pc for gaming. But if I did buy a gaming rig, you can bet it would be top notch. I'd probably build it myself though.

2 grand in parts, assembled yourself, would be a gaming rig you wouldn't have to open up for 2 years and it would still remain top end. It would be totally awesome.

Modifié par bob2.0, 26 juillet 2012 - 12:40 .

[N7 Spectre525]

Been playing games on a console since the Atari 2600 and have had everything from Vectrex to Colecovision, but I guess by some pc peoples definition Im a casual gamer even though i've been gaming before some of these kids were even born.

[count_4]

Deek2099 wrote...
I'd love to quote a few of this but it's too much of a hassle on my phone. so I'll just ask this. I play on an Xbox so I'm not as smart as a pc user did I read that right? I run a store that does 100 mil a yr, I manage 400 associates and I build custom gaming computers on the side. Oh and I wrote my own virus protection software but a pc gamer is smarter because they click a mouse...
Seems right.
Wow

For someone who allegedly runs a store, writes virus protection tools (why again are you telling us all this?), you have remarkably low reading and understanding skills. But your bragging skills are alright, I guess.
Seriously though, writing your own virus protection? Now, I don't know you but you kinda seem to be one of those guys who think they write the best code ever when in reality it's utter garbage. I became quite wary of those over the years and pretending to be writing such low-level and complex software like virus protection (as well as encryption and games) is always a bad sign. And it would fit the attitude you convey in your post.
But again, I don't know you so that's just my first impression after reading your post. You might want to work on that, though. 

Modifié par count_4, 26 juillet 2012 - 12:38 .

[Crimson-Engage]

theillusiveman11 wrote...

Just something I've noticed on forums, there seems to be some contempt for console players. I'm just wondering why.

Who cares? Just remember where the ME series started. The Xbox. PC better be lucky they even get their slimy fat little fingers on our game.

[Beelzebubs]

Gazz66666 wrote...

Because we lowly consolists haven't spent quite enough money on our "rigs" so we are the scrubs of the gaming society.

In all seriousness. Friend of mine has a gaming rig. It cost him around £2000 or so, £1000 was just for the case. £2000 is more than I was going to be paying for a car. The truth is that while i'd love a gaming rig to play **** like ME3 and Skyrim on the best settings available, it's not economically viable. Which is why I prefer to pay £200 or so and buy a PS3 or an Xbox which is ten times less than my friends rig, it'll always have the correct minimum requirements to play any game and I won't have to buy new parts for it every six months, when the current parts are obselete.

Or at least I would if I didn't have such abysmal luck with Playstations.

Methinks you are exaggerating a lot in this £1000 just for the case? The highest end cases with full water cooling, 1000W PSU and even pretty little neons for flair wouldn't even cost you £500.