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[Bill Casey]

I respectfully disagree...
But that's for another thread...

Modifié par Bill Casey, 26 juillet 2012 - 08:31 .

[dreman9999]

Arcian wrote...

I always assumed Synthesis to be cybernetics applied at a nanoscopic level.

It is. That' why it's implatation.

[blueumi]

take what has happend in real life with the star fish they killed rats took their hearts and used organic body parts to make a cynthtic creature
the organic is dead
the cynthetic learned nothing from the organic
it is not a good ending the cythetic got to exist and the organic is daed
it is the worst of the three options by far

[RadicalDisconnect]

Arcian wrote...

Bill Casey wrote...

I respectfully disagree...
But that's for another thread...

Stop being such a threadist, this thread is just fine.

LOL. Haven't heard of that one before...

[Ieldra]

Bill Casey wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...
First, that "new DNA" was always metaphorical. Second, the EC retconned that.

That's the organic side. The EC says there will be an "altered matrix" but only for organic life. Synthetics are differently affected.

[Zardoc]

Nah. Looks more like dystopia.

[dreman9999]

RadicalDisconnect wrote...

Bill Casey wrote...

RadicalDisconnect wrote...

Bill Casey wrote...

And yet everyone is fine with the Reapers...

Same thing in control. How would you explain that?

Without getting into IT?

Yeah. Honestly, IT just isn't what Bioware intended, and it shows.

@HagarIshay
It's the whole synthesis = brainwashing argument that I'm not buying.

Think about it this way. Phystical changes to the brain can control and change how a person thinks. Being that synthesis is a physical change to the body and it's chemistry, there is no telling what concept or changes in though patterns is applied with it.  It's not outside of the starchild or reapers to do this.

[Ieldra]

Arcian wrote...
I always assumed Synthesis to be cybernetics applied at a nanoscopic level.

Yes. Applied to organics. That's why I came up with the "nanite cluster" scenario in my main Synthesis thread. That would be responsible for integrating more technology on an individual basis. Synthetics are differently affected.

[Bill Casey]

I still haven't gotten a decent explanation how synthesis eliminates poverty, disease and overpopulation while creating peace across the galaxy, curing the genophage and granting immortality...

[Ageless Face]

dreman9999 wrote...
Nothing is more advaced then the reapers. This is something meant to stop them and lt only  came about because of them. It's the only option the catalyst controls. It is indoctrination. But note this, the reapers and the star child are show to not have ill intetes with it, being that they onlt want peice with organics and synthetics. The only problem with it is that it's forced on everyone else.After it's used, no one is the wiser to their personalliy change. This is just like rewriting the geth inlegions mission.
 Basicly, it's wong but after it's used no one who would care would be left.

If the crucible was so advanced and complex, I doubt the cycle could have built it. How do you know that millions of years ago, someone didn't sucseed on finding a device that will stop the reapers? We haven't seen all the cycles, we don't know.

Even if the Crucible itself is reaper design, there are no reaper parts in it. Even if it's reaper design, we don't know if reaper DNA will get into people. That is pure specualtion. It also means that people should all be mindless. EDI didn't sound mindless to me. BTW, The fact that it's forced on people doesn't mean people are indoctrinated.

There is no proof that people are indoctrinated in synthesis. Or even evidence. Hate the ending all you want, but don't speculate and look at your specualtions as facts. Because they aren't.

[lillitheris]

Ieldra2 wrote...

First, that "new DNA" was always metaphorical. Second, the EC retconned that.

Wrong. You like to think it is a metaphor, because you ignore everything that conflicts with your fanfic.

[Ticonderoga117]

Looks more like defeat to me.
Reapers still around? Check.
Reapers subjugated at least? Nope.
Life forced to change at the behest of the Reapers? Check.

Hey, welcome to hell, population, EVERYONE.

[Barquiel]

Ieldra2 wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...
Ieldra, the rebuilding takes place ten to fifteen years to complete.

You have definitive "Golden Age" for that time.

I agree that there is a golden age for some time. But where is it said that it's 10-15 years? I don't exactly mind that timeframe, but I don't see anything like it mentioned in the game, and I don't have to take as canon what the Bioware people say. Just as a matter of principle - let the work speak for itself.  

Also, 15 years of rebuilding? Oh my, too many Sci-Fi writers have no sense of scale, and Bioware is among the worst offenders.

What's wrong with 10-15 years? Rebuilding the relays should probably take a bit longer, but Thessia, Earth, etc ...10 years would have been my guess as well.

[RadicalDisconnect]

Bill Casey wrote...

I still haven't gotten a decent explanation how synthesis eliminates poverty, disease and overpopulation while creating peace across the galaxy, curing the genophage and granting immortality...

It's straight out of a Disney fairy tale, it doesn't have to be remotely realistic. That ending has so many aspects that would normally contradict each other that it basically transcends all realistic norms. If I go into speculation mode, I'd handwave that in synthesis, only mind and consciousness is immortal, not corporeal bodies. Husks are still under control of the reapers, and are just extentions of a reaper's mind. Of course, the whole damn synthesis ending is just so damn open ended...

Modifié par RadicalDisconnect, 26 juillet 2012 - 09:00 .

[Ieldra]

@Barquiel:
I mainly meant the relays in Destroy. In Control, they're repaired faster by the Reapers, and in Synthesis, we don't know but I've always thought they'd find a new and exotic way to travel between the stars.

@RadicalDisconnect:
The immortality is a prospect for the future, Synthesis doesn't create that. But yes, "digital immortality" would be one way to achieve that. As for the "free from poverty" thing, imagine that radical tech advancement creates a post-scarcity economy.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 26 juillet 2012 - 08:53 .

[Lionel Ou]

Barquiel wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...
Ieldra, the rebuilding takes place ten to fifteen years to complete.

You have definitive "Golden Age" for that time.

I agree that there is a golden age for some time. But where is it said that it's 10-15 years? I don't exactly mind that timeframe, but I don't see anything like it mentioned in the game, and I don't have to take as canon what the Bioware people say. Just as a matter of principle - let the work speak for itself.  

Also, 15 years of rebuilding? Oh my, too many Sci-Fi writers have no sense of scale, and Bioware is among the worst offenders.

What's wrong with 10-15 years? Rebuilding the relays should probably take a bit longer, but Thessia, Earth, etc ...10 years would have been my guess as well.

Considering the amount of infrastructure destroyed by the reapers, the millions / billions killed, no relays to ferry materials, the disruption of galactic economy... it'll take a lot longer than 10-15 years.

[Mazebook]

i agree with the OP.

It will be not an Utopia...conflict along species lines will be a thing of the past...
but there will be still different Ideologies based on what is valued the most.

There will be still conflict...it will just not be based on physical differences.

[dreman9999]

HagarIshay wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...
Nothing is more advaced then the reapers. This is something meant to stop them and lt only  came about because of them. It's the only option the catalyst controls. It is indoctrination. But note this, the reapers and the star child are show to not have ill intetes with it, being that they onlt want peice with organics and synthetics. The only problem with it is that it's forced on everyone else.After it's used, no one is the wiser to their personalliy change. This is just like rewriting the geth inlegions mission.
 Basicly, it's wong but after it's used no one who would care would be left.

If the crucible was so advanced and complex, I doubt the cycle could have built it. How do you know that millions of years ago, someone didn't sucseed on finding a device that will stop the reapers? We haven't seen all the cycles, we don't know.

Even if the Crucible itself is reaper design, there are no reaper parts in it. Even if it's reaper design, we don't know if reaper DNA will get into people. That is pure specualtion. It also means that people should all be mindless. EDI didn't sound mindless to me. BTW, The fact that it's forced on people doesn't mean people are indoctrinated.

There is no proof that people are indoctrinated in synthesis. Or even evidence. Hate the ending all you want, but don't speculate and look at your specualtions as facts. Because they aren't.

All the cycles build and impoved on it and the only reason it excict is becauseof the reapers. Add I didn't say it's reaper design, just that you leave it to the reapers to use as they will. Indoctrination like that is the reapers mo. It's not outside of them to do this. They have no moral based to how they do their programing.

[Abraham_uk]

wantedman dan wrote...

CrutchCricket wrote...

The more I think about it the more I realize that the age of strife I mentioned to you earlier is inevitable regardless of what you choose. With the greater threat extinguished the species will go back to competing and as certain things come to light will actively blame each other for the wrongs each has committed.

Synthesis makes it worse in fact because you've now effectively escalated the conflict by giving everyone superpowers and "superknowledge". I believe the age of strife is inevitable. If I go full pessimist, under synthesis, this leads to total annihilation of galactic society and eventual extinction for all involved.

I'm compelled to agree with this.

If Synthesis is not utopian, it will, by the very nature of our existence, lead to dystopia. 

Can I take the inbetween road.

In some ways synthesis will escalate the conflicts. By making people who are hungry for power, fight more fiercely and more intelligently.

In some ways synthesis will bring groups of people together and help reduce ignorance and misunderstandings between different cultures. Might reduce conflicts.

But that superknowledge could lead to great advances in technology and also lead to many diseases being cured.
I don't think there will be extinction as a result of synthesis.

But it could also lead to more powerful weapons.

But some things will improve and some things will get worse.

Not utopian. Just different and in some ways better.

Modifié par Abraham_uk, 26 juillet 2012 - 09:01 .

[dreman9999]

maaaze wrote...

i agree with the OP.

It will be not an Utopia...conflict along species lines will be a thing of the past...
but there will be still different Ideologies based on what is valued the most.

There will be still conflict...it will just not be based on physical differences.

I don't thinks so. I feel the race are indoctrinated to coesistence bythe reapers and the crucible.

[Ticonderoga117]

dreman9999 wrote...

maaaze wrote...

i agree with the OP.

It will be not an Utopia...conflict along species lines will be a thing of the past...
but there will be still different Ideologies based on what is valued the most.

There will be still conflict...it will just not be based on physical differences.

I don't thinks so. I feel the race are indoctrinated to coesistence bythe reapers and the crucible.

Well considering that if things don't go well, the nieghborhood watch Reaper would toast you, your family, and your dog, yeah, it's gonna be a crap Utopia.

[dreman9999]

Ticonderoga117 wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

maaaze wrote...

i agree with the OP.

It will be not an Utopia...conflict along species lines will be a thing of the past...
but there will be still different Ideologies based on what is valued the most.

There will be still conflict...it will just not be based on physical differences.

I don't thinks so. I feel the race are indoctrinated to coesistence bythe reapers and the crucible.

Well considering that if things don't go well, the nieghborhood watch Reaper would toast you, your family, and your dog, yeah, it's gonna be a crap Utopia.

But they don't need to do that. All they have to do is up load a be happy code into your implants and you'll be coantroled.
Whatyour say only happens in control.

[Armdin]

Barquiel wrote...

What's wrong with 10-15 years? Rebuilding the relays should probably take a bit longer, but Thessia, Earth, etc ...10 years would have been my guess as well.

Maybe I'm thinking wrong; but if my house took 5 years to build and furnish (my one measly puny house) then entire planets, relays, civilizations in chaos would probably take it a lot longer than 10-15 years C:

[JaceBelerin]

CrutchCricket wrote...

The more I think about it the more I realize that the age of strife I mentioned to you earlier is inevitable regardless of what you choose. With the greater threat extinguished the species will go back to competing and as certain things come to light will actively blame each other for the wrongs each has committed.

Synthesis makes it worse in fact because you've now effectively escalated the conflict by giving everyone superpowers and "superknowledge". I believe the age of strife is inevitable. If I go full pessimist, under synthesis, this leads to total annihilation of galactic society and eventual extinction for all involved.

I am in agreement. I can't see synthesis being anywhere near a golden age if there those who did not want to to happen and felt violated by it. Civil war right after the Reaper war?

This could happen in all endings though, and it all is just speculation.