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[masoidthedroid]

Stabby Badger wrote...

Well if you're playing with people you know, a mic makes things a lot easier. A big part of success in any game is just knowing what's happening where and if you're operating on the combined information of 4 people rather than just 1 your life is going to be a lot easier. Just knowing what everyone is doing, so you can make decisions about what needs to be done and what is already taken care of or so you can be aware of problems occurring off your screen can be a huge help.

That said, I play mostly in pugs. I literally leave every single game in which I hear someone talking over the mic because my experience over the hundreds of games I have played is that 90% of what I hear from pugs over the mics is A) completely pointless banter that has nothing to do with the game some guy burping/singing/having a conversation with his mother that doesn't seem to understand his mic is on C) whining about enemies, teammates, kill stealing, etc or D) hate speech/profanities. Never trust strangers in a video game to not be stupid.

Haha definitely agree- do I really risk trusting a 10-year-old kid telling me it's safe to come revive him immediately, when I see on the feed he was downed by a turret and know there are phantoms around him?  Then again, at least he wasn't burping/singing.

[mikepaul]

On the 360, you can listen to the mic chatter through the TV. I have mine set up so if I pull the mic, I can still hear. If everyone was listening there'd be a chance that we'd coordinate.

However, a few too many swearing morons probably encouraged folks that listening is not a good deal, so the red mic indicator means they are not listening. "Hey, com'on, I NEED someone to revive me!! Killing that Husk can wait!!!" will go unheard. So will the non-swearing comments I'll make when I start to think revives are being denied just so they can kill while I'm down. Hmmmm. Maybe they have the right idea...

[Xariann]

Personally I have no hate for non-mic users, but if people do use mics it gives you more coordination. On the other side, the mic often doesn't work. A lot of the time I have been in games with friends and Friend A can hear me and Friend B, but friend B can't hear me, and Friend C can't hear anyone at all.

So I believe a lot of the time it isn't that people don't want to talk, they might be acting Shakespeare as far as we know but the game bugs out.

[Marauder Shields N7]

 I never use my mic. Problem?

[masoidthedroid]

Omega2079 wrote...

I find (at least for me3), if you need to communicate through the mic, you tend to have lower situational awareness skills. Even on platinum you don't need them with decent players.

Absolutely true. How can someone blame not having a mic as a reason for not finding success on gold or even platinum matches with the right teammates? Success has much, much more to do with individual player skill.

[holdenagincourt]

Yes...yes mute non-mic users are the worst kind of people. 

[UEG Donkey]

I don't really care, you can't coordinate with mutes and they aren't dependable in the sense that you can't get a confirmation of "yes I'll cast Reave on that Atlas so you can shockwave and get a BE." So you sort of depend on yourself rather than the team when dealing with mutes. They also aren't dependable in doing objectives or really pulling their weight on the team. Actually typing this response makes me hate mutes.

[mikepaul]

masoidthedroid wrote...
Absolutely true. How can someone blame not having a mic as a reason for not finding success on gold or even platinum matches with the right teammates? Success has much, much more to do with individual player skill.

How many successful first-time games does one have in Gold or Platinum without advice as to what to do?

If you're a Phenom that soloed Platinum with a rusty spoon, then maybe a mic isn't for you.

Sharing knowledge, like what's coming or where the team should go, seems better than always looking for where your team has gone instead of paying attention to the enemies.  Again, a Phenom needs no help from nobody and can 1-shot a Banshee over their shoulder, but others can't...

Modifié par mikepaul, 26 juillet 2012 - 06:04 .

[UEG Donkey]

RPG Grrrl wrote...

Some people can't use a mic due to certain physical challenges too.

Like what, being mute?  Not having a mouth or face for that matter?  Those cases are few and far between. 

[Babbylonian]

Omega2079 wrote...

I find (at least for me3), if you need to communicate through the mic, you tend to have lower situational awareness skills.

That is utter nonsense.

I always have my mic ready but playing PUGs means a lot of people who can't communicate and/or people in XBL parties who don't bother inviting me so we can coordinate.  There are things which would help but are almost impossible to know about other players and when they remain unknown the game can be severely hindered.

For example, Cobras:  How many do you have?  How many have you used?  Are you going to use one to clear the hack point so we can invest it, or should i?

Medi-Gel:  How many (again)?  Do you need me to run into a group of enemies so far away to revive you or could you just use a gel?  Did you have your Cobra equipped before they took you down so that you can get up and take out that mess around you or should I take care of it?

Powers:  Do you want to detonate or should I?  Could you switch overload targets so that I can do some easier BEs?

Enemies:  There are a couple hunters in that room.  I'm leading a banshee to you guys.  Leave that Atlas alone so we can take out <x> that's closer to us.

If you truly believe that you can have awareness of everything important happening on the map, then you're either fooling yourself, using magic, or possess some awesome tech/software that reveals things to you that you shouldn't otherwise be able to see.

[Titus Thongger]

UEG Donkey wrote...

RPG Grrrl wrote...

Some people can't use a mic due to certain physical challenges too.

Like what, being mute?  Not having a mouth or face for that matter?  Those cases are few and far between. 

Harsh. 

[ManOfSteel]

I never use a mic. Neither do any of the people I play with, be it a public match with randoms or with friends. We manage just fine.

[heybigmoney]

Skill>>>Mics

[brblx]

UEG Donkey wrote...

RPG Grrrl wrote...

Some people can't use a mic due to certain physical challenges too.

Like what, being mute?  Not having a mouth or face for that matter?  Those cases are few and far between. 

The predominant condition, on Xbox, at least, is being twelve years old. 

I can't exactly say I want to listen to a bunch of kids. But I have nothing against them talking if they can be somewhat mature. I started playing quakeworld when I was about that age, so I can't really critisize their age just because we happen to have gone from standing in the corner typing to live voice comms.

The bigger problem is the people who won't listen. And I don't mean 'won't let me dictate their layout and playstyle.'

If someone can be attentive, help the team, and be observant of normal, reasonable requests, they don't have to talk. But it's a lot easier to get good at the game if you do. I guess reading the forums helps that, at least.

Modifié par brblx, 26 juillet 2012 - 06:12 .

[brblx]

RPG Grrrl wrote...

UEG Donkey wrote...

RPG Grrrl wrote...

Some people can't use a mic due to certain physical challenges too.

Like what, being mute?  Not having a mouth or face for that matter?  Those cases are few and far between. 

I lost my voice to cancer when i was 12...and i assure you, i CAN pull my own weight in gold or platinum.

This post was not here when I wrote my reply. I did not mean to mock you or anything with my post. My apologies.

[SinerAthin]

Titus Thongger wrote...

Just give pc users text chat already. Problem solved. It's not rocket science

This post contains so much logic, that if any Bioware employee looked at it for more than 2 seconds, their brains would explode and vacate out through their ears.

Modifié par SinerAthin, 26 juillet 2012 - 06:15 .

[IllusiveManJr]

Unfortunately, the few people that I have met who thought mics were required have been rude when it came to the fact that I was playing Gold without a mic. One even going so far as saying I should just sell my Xbox if I'm not going to get a mic.
At the time, speaking was extremely tiring for me. So I avoided getting one until I could.

Edit: Added words so sentences made sense.

Modifié par theillusiveman11, 26 juillet 2012 - 06:15 .

[masoidthedroid]

Babbylonian wrote...

Omega2079 wrote...

I find (at least for me3), if you need to communicate through the mic, you tend to have lower situational awareness skills.

That is utter nonsense.

I always have my mic ready but playing PUGs means a lot of people who can't communicate and/or people in XBL parties who don't bother inviting me so we can coordinate.  There are things which would help but are almost impossible to know about other players and when they remain unknown the game can be severely hindered.

For example, Cobras:  How many do you have?  How many have you used?  Are you going to use one to clear the hack point so we can invest it, or should i?

Medi-Gel:  How many (again)?  Do you need me to run into a group of enemies so far away to revive you or could you just use a gel?  Did you have your Cobra equipped before they took you down so that you can get up and take out that mess around you or should I take care of it?

Powers:  Do you want to detonate or should I?  Could you switch overload targets so that I can do some easier BEs?

Enemies:  There are a couple hunters in that room.  I'm leading a banshee to you guys.  Leave that Atlas alone so we can take out <x> that's closer to us.

If you truly believe that you can have awareness of everything important happening on the map, then you're either fooling yourself, using magic, or possess some awesome tech/software that reveals things to you that you shouldn't otherwise be able to see.

I LOLed when I saw "powers" listed as one. Think you can't figure out who is detonating without saying "hey, I'm using Throw/Shockwave again, just like I did the previous 100 times!"

Medi-gels... maybe if people with mics didn't rely on crying to teammates for revive, they would just learn which situations to avoid running in to. I know there are advantages to using a mic, but I have learned from game experience that being a mute player helps you gain individual skills... which will better any team you are with.

Knowledge of enemies is pretty much irrelevent, because the only total threat to good players are banshees, but you can hear/see them coming.

Honestly, I think that trying to use a mic and forming strategies like you talk about will actually hurt your performance, because you rely on your team too much. I learned to keep a better eye on my surroundings/enemies (turrets) because I wouldn't recklessly think that no matter what happens, I can tell my teammates to revive me.

[Xariann]

heybigmoney wrote...

Skill>>>Mics

Of course you never thought of the fact that communication is a good skill to have.

[mrs_anomaly]

Babbylonian wrote...

Omega2079 wrote...

I find (at least for me3), if you need to communicate through the mic, you tend to have lower situational awareness skills.

That is utter nonsense.

I always have my mic ready but playing PUGs means a lot of people who can't communicate and/or people in XBL parties who don't bother inviting me so we can coordinate.  There are things which would help but are almost impossible to know about other players and when they remain unknown the game can be severely hindered.

For example, Cobras:  How many do you have?  How many have you used?  Are you going to use one to clear the hack point so we can invest it, or should i?

Medi-Gel:  How many (again)?  Do you need me to run into a group of enemies so far away to revive you or could you just use a gel?  Did you have your Cobra equipped before they took you down so that you can get up and take out that mess around you or should I take care of it?

Powers:  Do you want to detonate or should I?  Could you switch overload targets so that I can do some easier BEs?

Enemies:  There are a couple hunters in that room.  I'm leading a banshee to you guys.  Leave that Atlas alone so we can take out <x> that's closer to us.

If you truly believe that you can have awareness of everything important happening on the map, then you're either fooling yourself, using magic, or possess some awesome tech/software that reveals things to you that you shouldn't otherwise be able to see.

Your remind me of a kind of obsession I have ..which is med gel/ops pack/missile checks at the end of waves with my team LOL..I guess it's the mothering thing. At the end of waves I ask all my friends "OK I have five missiles, four med gels and no Ops packs, how is everyone else!?" just to touch base on our supplies. If someone has zero med gels due to the crappiness of our session I'll advice they buddy up with me or someone else for easier revives. And I also prefer to call out missiles whenever possible so that we don't end up wasting any. 

[L.ast L.ife]

Ryan80537 wrote...

21st century gaming, better bring a mic.

LOL.

...

Yeah, no.  I can complete a game without consulting three strangers who have absolutely no interest in what I have to say and I honestly don't blame them because the feeling is mutual.

[Xerorei]

UEG Donkey wrote...

I don't really care, you can't coordinate with mutes and they aren't dependable in the sense that you can't get a confirmation of "yes I'll cast Reave on that Atlas so you can shockwave and get a BE." So you sort of depend on yourself rather than the team when dealing with mutes. They also aren't dependable in doing objectives or really pulling their weight on the team. Actually typing this response makes me hate mutes.

Be more judgemental and narrow minded would you please?

I don't have a mic, one of my daughters broke it (and the $70 Logitech USB headset it was attatched to, accidents happen), on top of that we have a seven month old son.
Walls are thin in this house, using a mic WILL wake him up, he likes my voice, go figure.
So real lfie presents me with limitations and I work around it, I don't NEED a mic to figure out what you're doing, I can look at a team setup in a lobby and figure out what I should switch to.

Reading your response makes me hate elitist jerks with microphones, guess what buddy you're not that awesome.
I play gold and platnium, without a mic, and do awesome, I don't need one, but maybe you're so bad that you need voice communication instead of using your brain to figure things out in a fast manner.


Also, people with mics that don't have it on PTT, don't put the mic next to your mouth so your exhalations trigger it, also I don't want to hear your damn desk or room fan, I also don't want to hear your Russian TV news broadcast, I don't want to hear you talking with your girlfriend for the entire match either.

Man just typing this makes me hate people with mics!

Modifié par Xerorei, 26 juillet 2012 - 06:28 .