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[Gazz66666]

Got a mic. I keep mine on mute for the most part. Mainly because the number of random lobbies I join where people see the Mic icon and immediately assume I want to talk to them, but also because my headset doubles as headphones so I wear them all the time.

I'll talk shop, sure. But if it's not tactics we're chatting about, i'll be on mute.

[masoidthedroid]

Omega2079 wrote...

Babbylonian wrote...

Omega2079 wrote...

Babbylonian wrote...

Omega2079 wrote...

I find (at least for me3), if you need to communicate through the mic, you tend to have lower situational awareness skills.

That is utter nonsense.

I always have my mic ready but playing PUGs means a lot of people who can't communicate and/or people in XBL parties who don't bother inviting me so we can coordinate.  There are things which would help but are almost impossible to know about other players and when they remain unknown the game can be severely hindered.

For example, Cobras:  How many do you have?  How many have you used?  Are you going to use one to clear the hack point so we can invest it, or should i?

Medi-Gel:  How many (again)?  Do you need me to run into a group of enemies so far away to revive you or could you just use a gel?  Did you have your Cobra equipped before they took you down so that you can get up and take out that mess around you or should I take care of it?

Powers:  Do you want to detonate or should I?  Could you switch overload targets so that I can do some easier BEs?

Enemies:  There are a couple hunters in that room.  I'm leading a banshee to you guys.  Leave that Atlas alone so we can take out <x> that's closer to us.

If you truly believe that you can have awareness of everything important happening on the map, then you're either fooling yourself, using magic, or possess some awesome tech/software that reveals things to you that you shouldn't otherwise be able to see.

You don't need to know their medi-gel count, etc to win at the game. Sure a mic helps, but they're are not vital.

I've completed many gold and a few platinum games with no mics on the whole team, with ease.

You also don't need a mic for teamwork. You can see what others are doing, know what capabilities of theirs work well with yours. When you understand the mechanics of the game, a mic isn't a vital asset.

I've done my share of gold with no communication, too.  That doesn't make your statement about "lower situational awareness" anything close to true, nor does it make no-mic play the ideal to which we should aspire.

If you need a mic to win, your awareness is low. I never said it was ideal. I said mics are not vital.

Seriously, it would be nice for people to humbly say that they aren't the greatest at this game, and then state that mics make them much better players. Mic users rarely make success rate go up, in my experience.

[Someone With Mass]

And talk with public players? Hell no. They can still tell me stuff through their end.

Modifié par Someone With Mass, 26 juillet 2012 - 07:35 .

[UEG Donkey]

Omega2079 wrote...

Babbylonian wrote...

I've done my share of gold with no communication, too.  That doesn't make your statement about "lower situational awareness" anything close to true, nor does it make no-mic play the ideal to which we should aspire.

If you need a mic to win, your awareness is low. I never said it was ideal. I said mics are not vital.

You realize your response as a rebuttal is completely nonsensical;  He never said you needed a mic to win, in fact he says "I've done my share of golds with no communication".  His point is that you cannot rely on mute players, not that mics are vital to succeeding at gold/plat

masoidthedroid wrote...

Seriously, it would be nice for
people to humbly say that they aren't the greatest at this game, and
then state that mics make them much better players. Mic users rarely
make success rate go up, in my experience.

What is the relevance of a person's skill level? Even if you were RedJohn and could solo Plat you still aren't going to be able to coordinate with teammates without mics. 

Mic users probably don't make your success rate go up because you don't have a mic and can't coordinate with them so they probably don't say much to you.

Modifié par UEG Donkey, 26 juillet 2012 - 07:50 .

[Omega2079]

UEG Donkey wrote...

Omega2079 wrote...

Babbylonian wrote...

I've done my share of gold with no communication, too.  That doesn't make your statement about "lower situational awareness" anything close to true, nor does it make no-mic play the ideal to which we should aspire.

If you need a mic to win, your awareness is low. I never said it was ideal. I said mics are not vital.

You realize your response as a rebuttal is completely nonsensical;  He never said you needed a mic to win, in fact he says "I've done my share of golds with no communication".  His point is that you cannot rely on mute players, not that mics are vital to succeeding at gold/plat

I was clarifying my position, and it was to the 'ideal' comment. It's not non-sensicle.
Going along with my original post, mics can be and often are used to compensate for a lack of situation awareness. If a mic makes or breaks a win for you, your situational awareness is low.

Mute players are perfectly capable of co-ordinating and can be relied upon. It's player skill, pure and simple.

Modifié par Omega2079, 26 juillet 2012 - 07:57 .

[UEG Donkey]

Omega2079 wrote...


I was clarifying my position, and it was to the 'ideal' comment. It's not non-sensicle.

As I stated in the original post, mics can be and often are used to compensate for a lack of situation awareness. If a mic makes or breaks a win for you, your situational awareness is low.

Did he ever say it makes or breaks a win? 


. . . .



Then how does your post make sense?

[masoidthedroid]

UEG Donkey wrote...

Omega2079 wrote...

Babbylonian wrote...

I've done my share of gold with no communication, too.  That doesn't make your statement about "lower situational awareness" anything close to true, nor does it make no-mic play the ideal to which we should aspire.

If you need a mic to win, your awareness is low. I never said it was ideal. I said mics are not vital.

You realize your response as a rebuttal is completely nonsensical;  He never said you needed a mic to win, in fact he says "I've done my share of golds with no communication".  His point is that you cannot rely on mute players, not that mics are vital to succeeding at gold/plat

masoidthedroid wrote...

Seriously, it would be nice for
people to humbly say that they aren't the greatest at this game, and
then state that mics make them much better players. Mic users rarely
make success rate go up, in my experience.

What is the relevance of a person's skill level? Even if you were RedJohn and could solo Plat you still aren't going to be able to coordinate with teammates without mics. 

Mic users probably don't make your success rate go up because you don't have a mic and can't coordinate with them so they probably don't say much to you.

Relevance of skill level? How about the fact that so many mic users want to boot me because I am mute, but when the game begins and we go a few rounds, I am carrying them? Speaking Gold, of course.

Does coordination "with a mic" really make you that much of a better player? I can figure out what my teammates are doing by the in-game events, and what character class they choose.

[Omega2079]

UEG Donkey wrote...

Omega2079 wrote...


I was clarifying my position, and it was to the 'ideal' comment. It's not non-sensicle.

As I stated in the original post, mics can be and often are used to compensate for a lack of situation awareness. If a mic makes or breaks a win for you, your situational awareness is low.

Did he ever say it makes or breaks a win? 


. . . .



Then how does your post make sense?

It's elaboration. It's going back to my arguments. Not his.

What don't you understand about the 'original post' part?

Modifié par Omega2079, 26 juillet 2012 - 08:04 .

[Kalas Magnus]

There is nothing we havent seen before and they act like the certurian will start throwing biotics at us or something. I usually play U/U/P and we havent had a problem without mics. In fact people with mics usually get into arguments which will distract them and they proceed to fail the match. 

[UEG Donkey]

masoidthedroid wrote...

UEG Donkey wrote...

Omega2079 wrote...

Babbylonian wrote...

I've done my share of gold with no communication, too.  That doesn't make your statement about "lower situational awareness" anything close to true, nor does it make no-mic play the ideal to which we should aspire.

If you need a mic to win, your awareness is low. I never said it was ideal. I said mics are not vital.

You realize your response as a rebuttal is completely nonsensical;  He never said you needed a mic to win, in fact he says "I've done my share of golds with no communication".  His point is that you cannot rely on mute players, not that mics are vital to succeeding at gold/plat

masoidthedroid wrote...

Seriously, it would be nice for
people to humbly say that they aren't the greatest at this game, and
then state that mics make them much better players. Mic users rarely
make success rate go up, in my experience.

What is the relevance of a person's skill level? Even if you were RedJohn and could solo Plat you still aren't going to be able to coordinate with teammates without mics. 

Mic users probably don't make your success rate go up because you don't have a mic and can't coordinate with them so they probably don't say much to you.

Relevance of skill level? How about the fact that so many mic users want to boot me because I am mute, but when the game begins and we go a few rounds, I am carrying them? Speaking Gold, of course.

Does coordination "with a mic" really make you that much of a better player? I can figure out what my teammates are doing by the in-game events, and what character class they choose.

So you are the exception that proves the rule?  How many times have you been carried by a mute player?

Yes especially when I'm doing speed runs or playing with a character that has tremedous synergy with other characters, but are much less effective on their own for example the BatSent and CerbA,  it would be nice to know when I select my BatSent that your CerbA's Smash is specced for tech damage and not biotics.  Will that stop us from clearing gold? No, but its going to make Plat much more difficult when I can't count on you to get BE when I went into the game thinking, "I'm going to detonate all of this guy's BE".   

How can you do that in-game? 

Modifié par UEG Donkey, 26 juillet 2012 - 08:07 .

[UEG Donkey]

Omega2079 wrote...

UEG Donkey wrote...

Omega2079 wrote...


I was clarifying my position, and it was to the 'ideal' comment. It's not non-sensicle.

As I stated in the original post, mics can be and often are used to compensate for a lack of situation awareness. If a mic makes or breaks a win for you, your situational awareness is low.

Did he ever say it makes or breaks a win? 


. . . .



Then how does your post make sense?

It's elaboration. It's going back to my arguments. Not his.

What don't you understand about the 'original post' part?

Did he ever say it makes or breaks a win? 

[Omega2079]

UEG Donkey wrote...

Omega2079 wrote...

UEG Donkey wrote...

Omega2079 wrote...


I was clarifying my position, and it was to the 'ideal' comment. It's not non-sensicle.

As I stated in the original post, mics can be and often are used to compensate for a lack of situation awareness. If a mic makes or breaks a win for you, your situational awareness is low.

Did he ever say it makes or breaks a win? 


. . . .



Then how does your post make sense?

It's elaboration. It's going back to my arguments. Not his.

What don't you understand about the 'original post' part?

Did he ever say it makes or breaks a win? 

No. Eveyting I type doesn't have to be a direct response to every argument others make.

What don't you understand about elaboration?

I posted earlier that mics can be helpful. I never claimed they weren't.

Modifié par Omega2079, 26 juillet 2012 - 08:11 .

[UEG Donkey]

Its not an elaboration, its either nonsensical or you are deliberately misstating his argument.

[Omega2079]

UEG Donkey wrote...

Its not an elaboration, its either nonsensical or you are deliberately misstating his argument.

Neither. It's eleaboration.

[Mystical_Gaming]

people who say you need a mic to do well in games are hilarious. I never use a mic when alone in FPS games and can wreck the opposing team. Got multiple 50's in halo 3 using no mic. I think the theory of having no mic making you play bad has been disproved lol

Not saying having a mic doesn't help but not having one doesn't mean you can't play well in games.

[masoidthedroid]

UEG Donkey wrote...

Its not an elaboration, its either nonsensical or you are deliberately misstating his argument.

What is "nonsensical" is the idea that non-mic users are somehow at a great disadvantage, when game experience will tell most players that it can cause as many problems as it supposedly solves.

[Babbylonian]

The fundamental problem with having no microphones is that it makes it far more difficult for newer players to learn and for older players to teach. Yes, you'll learn a lot just by doing but why should we - those who've played every class and every map against every enemy over and over again - let every new player to learn the hard way? That would make sense if it was a game where individual accomplishment was rewarded over team accomplishment, but in an entirely cooperative setting younger players should be learning from their more experienced peers in addition to what they get from playing the game itself.

[Untonic]

 I only use it to remind people not to use missiles on an Atlas with 1 bar of armor left and that ULM for SMG doesn't work, other than that, only for any attempted Plats and Golds.
Plus I hate talking to a squad that doesn't talk back, I usually play with buddies that I can have a decent chat and tea before blowing up a map!

[UEG Donkey]

Omega2079 wrote...

UEG Donkey wrote...

Its not an elaboration, its either nonsensical or you are deliberately misstating his argument.

Neither. It's eleaboration.

Wow, you're absolutely ridiculous,  He never said that you need a mic to win games, you said it to discredit his position.  There is no other point to be made by the statement. 

[Omega2079]

masoidthedroid wrote...

UEG Donkey wrote...

Its not an elaboration, its either nonsensical or you are deliberately misstating his argument.

What is "nonsensical" is the idea that non-mic users are somehow at a great disadvantage, when game experience will tell most players that it can cause as many problems as it supposedly solves.

Even with friends that don't argue, they don't make or break wins to skilled players. At the very high end of performance, sure mics will probably make a difference, like in a speed run, where a seconds matter. The game just isn't that hard where voice communication is vital.

UEG Donkey wrote...

Omega2079 wrote...

UEG Donkey wrote...

Its not an elaboration, its either nonsensical or you are deliberately misstating his argument.

Neither. It's eleaboration.

Wow,
you're absolutely ridiculous,  He never said that you need a mic to win
games, you said it to discredit his position.  There is no other point
to be made by the statement. 

As I posted earlier, not everything is a direct response to him. You're being rediculous.

I never claimed he said mics are needed to win games.

Modifié par Omega2079, 26 juillet 2012 - 08:23 .

[UEG Donkey]

masoidthedroid wrote...

UEG Donkey wrote...

Its not an elaboration, its either nonsensical or you are deliberately misstating his argument.

What is "nonsensical" is the idea that non-mic users are somehow at a great disadvantage, when game experience will tell most players that it can cause as many problems as it supposedly solves.

He misstated Babbalyon's position; by insinuating that its his position that having mics makes or breaks gold games, when in fact Babbalyon said he's played plenty of noncommunication games and succeeded but it wasn't ideal. 

It had nothing to do with the OP its just a disengenous and unduly prejudical statement made to discredit someone's opinion. 

[UEG Donkey]

Omega2079 wrote...

I never claimed he said mics are needed to win games.

Then why say it if no one raised the point that having mics makes or breaks gold games?  You did it to unfairly discredit his position by insinuating that his belief is that mics make or break gold games.  If you didn't do it for that reason what other reason did you have?

Modifié par UEG Donkey, 26 juillet 2012 - 08:26 .

[Pathetisad]

I have a mic, put quite often it's turned off as I have a potty mouth when I'm gaming.
I doubt people want to he me effing and blinding

I'll also sometimes turn down the headet too. 
There's nothing worse than playing a game and you can her someone elses gameplay as it seems they're sitting way too close to the monitor / TV set

Modifié par Pathetisad, 26 juillet 2012 - 08:29 .

[waltervolpatto]

Because I love the chat chatty atmosphere we get with a mic... With the ppl I play usually we all mic and it is just fun!

I can do without some of the screaming kids in the bkg.....