[quote]Dean_the_Young wrote...
You contradict yourself. 'Sudden' is a matter of timing: if a device is introduced early but used later, it does not suddenly resolve the conflict with its introduction. As all devices have to be initially introduced in order to create a context, simply being introduced is not enough to qualify as a DEM or else all solutions are DEM.[/quote]
Different types of timing. "Sudden" is not at the end of its conflict, Sudden is unexpectedly. Timing in the sense that is irrelevant to DEMs is how late in its respective conflict it appears. The "Sudden" aspect, if you count that as timing, can occur at any time. It just has to be unexpected, and sudden.
And you are correct, simply being introduced is not enough for it to be a DEM. Suddenly introduced, rather than with some reasonable leadup and Contrived, rather than naturally flowing with the story, are two of the factors factors that play into something being a DEM. Hence, even if it is introduced suddenly, there ARE other criteria it must fit to be a DEM.
[quote]Which makes it even less of a DEM because the Crucible is introduced at the begging of the third game, while the Reapers are resolved at the end of the third. Even if you try to critique it on the lines of the trilogy as a whole, a good third of that story passed between the introduction of the device and the resolution.[/quote]
And none of that story [Closer to 1/5 than 1/3, going by time] involved the Crucible in any way other than a passing mention of it or the Catalyst. Basically the Crucible suddenly appears, is forgotten about, then re-appears at the end to solve everyone's problems so far as the story is concerned. I believe I'll point to my gun analogy here again. Just because the gun that fell from the sky that let the weaker man win had to put loaded, have its safety turned off then aimed before it finally got to ending the conflict doesn't mean its not a DEM.
[quote]Dean_the_Young wrote...
This is patently not true: you arrive at Earth with no less than two of the three Council races, either the Krogan or Salarians, either the Salarians or the Krogan or both, and either the Quarians or the Geth are both, as well as the political, economic, and scientific support your actions bring to the creation of the Crucible.
Your War Assets are not the same as the entire force Shepard brings. They are the accessory to the bottom line, not the entirety.[/quote]
I'll leave this up to personal interpretation then, as a few battered fleets and armies that have been half whiped out don't seem like a lot of aid to me.
[quote]The genophage arc revolves around meeting Turian conditions in exchange for support for the Crucible effort. The Citadel Coup marks a turnaround in which the Council starts supporting the effort. Rannoch is getting fleets and scientists for the Effort. Thessia is for the sole purpose of getting the final component of the Crucible, as is the Cerberus finale on Sanctuary and Chronos. Even the final mission to Earth rests on the fact that that's where the Catalyst is.[/quote]
The Genophage arch revolves around getting the Turians and Krogan to agree to come to Earth with their fleets. The Rannoch arch is the same for the Quarian/Geth. The Citadel Coup exists to get the Salarians on your side. I'll agree with Thessia, Sanctuary and Kronos, but otherwise its a lot of gathering fleets, not figuring out the Crucible.
[quote]Besides that Liara in LotSB does foreshadow other Prothean attempts to beat the Reapers, the Crucible's announcement doesn't resolve the issue of the Reapers.[/quote]
Liara forshadows anything Prothean, and thereby nothing more than that something Prothean will appear in ME3. It in no way links to the Crucible other than "The Protheans passed it down". That is not forshadowing for the Crucible, that is forshadowing for the Protheans providing our solution - if even that [TBH its more for character development of the Shadow Broker, thanks to the context of that conversation, than it is a shoutout for ME3].
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A weapon falling from the sky at the climax, providing the means of resolving the threat would be a DEM.[/quote]
Precisely. Hence why the Crucible is a DEM. It falls into our heroes laps at the Climax, and it provides the means of resolving the threat. Do we have to build it? Yes. The man also has to load and unsafety his gun. That does not change what the gun and the Crucible are, however.
[quote]That's like saying a woman is only a little pregnant.[/quote]
In what way?
[quote]And that information comes from... Vigil.[/quote]
Very well then. We know that the Protheans stopped the Reapers from returning to Reap us this cycle.
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Bombs and control devices are aplenty.[/quote]
Bombs that affect the entire galaxy and discriminate between what their explosion damages to an extent that only their target and things with components of their target in them are destroyed?
Control devices that take over sentient life across the entire galaxy at once whilst damaging Relays in the process?
[quote]Dark energy manipulation. You can read about it in the War Asset entries.[/quote]
Giving something a fancy name does not make it work. "Dark Energy manipulation" in this context is equal to magic. It has no defined laws, we have no clue how it does what it does, and it does something that should be impossible by any other means.
Mass Effect Fields are more grounded, even though they tie back to Dark Energy eventually from memory.
[quote]cross-cycle efforts to warn and ward against the Reapers (clues we can derive from planet scans, Ilos, the Protheans). Yes the Crucible exists to resolve the Reaper conflict because the Crucible is built in reaction to the Reapers. [/quote]
And yet it doesn't fit in how it pays no regard to the laws of the ME universe, and what is and isn't possible. It does the impossible by utilising magic, and expects to not come across as contrived. Fat chance.
[quote]It's a weapon made by people who are facing the Reapers, to face the Reapers. That doesn't make it a DEM: that just makes it a tool for a specific problem.[/quote]
That gun was a tool made by people to kill people with. Doesn't disqualify it from being a DEM in my example, therefore more than this is needed to justify it not being a DEM.
Was there anyway ME3 could have avoided the Deus Ex Machina
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sporeian
, juil. 26 2012 09:08
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