Stornskar wrote...
Who are you to tell me - or anyone else - what kinds of games to play? Is there some kind of merit to being a part of a hopeless, futile endeavor?
Stornskar wrote...
Jamie9 wrote...
Stornskar wrote...
Then what is the point of playing the game? What is the point of ME1 and ME2? If we had received the message loud and clear from ME1 was that conventional victory was impossible, then I wouldn't have bothered with the rest of the series ...
You only play/read stories if the main character wins? That's... stupid.
Who are you to tell me - or anyone else - what kinds of games to play? Is there some kind of merit to being a part of a hopeless, futile endeavor?
Modifié par ZLurps, 27 juillet 2012 - 01:42 .
silentassassin264 wrote...
"The main gun on a Reaper capital ship dwarfs that of the Alliance's Everest-class dreadnoughts. No dreadnought has yet survived a direct hit from the weapon. Estimates put its destructive power anywhere from 132 to 454 kilotons of TNT. Even if the target is hardened, as in the case of a surface-based missile silo, the gun can instead bury the target beneath molten metal. Precise targeting computers and correctors also give the Reaper weapons a longer effective range than organics' dreadnoughts or cruisers. "
That's because whoever designed that cutscene thinks that good military strategy revolves around regiment tactics. Lining up in single file lines leads to direct hits. Just like sending all your forces down a single slope towards the conduit leads to their complete destruction.De1ta G wrote...
Every ship I saw that got hit by a reaper laser was destroyed the with first hit.
Modifié par Arturia Pendragon, 27 juillet 2012 - 01:45 .
As I said, their weapons are dodgeable. Unless the ship's captain is a complete idiot, they'll never get a direct hit in.
De1ta G wrote...
As I said, their weapons are dodgeable. Unless the ship's captain is a complete idiot, they'll never get a direct hit in.
Not all ships are as illusive as the Normandy.
Tritium315 wrote...
De1ta G wrote...
As I said, their weapons are dodgeable. Unless the ship's captain is a complete idiot, they'll never get a direct hit in.
Not all ships are as illusive as the Normandy.
That's why the Normandy needs to kill all the Reapers!
Guess what? That is how the Turians fight. They also have the most dreadnoughts. You can kiss 1/3 of your "you can fight conventionally because.." argument goodbye. Also the point of correctors is so you can't dodge it, at least not very easily. If a Reaper targets you when you are in range to attack back, you die (unless you are on Rannoch for some reason).Arturia Pendragon wrote...
That's because whoever designed that cutscene thinks that good military strategy revolves around regiment tactics. Lining up in single file lines leads to direct hits.De1ta G wrote...
Every ship I saw that got hit by a reaper laser was destroyed the with first hit.
Modifié par silentassassin264, 27 juillet 2012 - 01:47 .
D24O wrote...
Didn't the SR1 land the final shot on Sovvy?
Watch the cutscene again. Several beams from the inital volley are dodged by clumsy Alliance ships.De1ta G wrote...
As I said, their weapons are dodgeable. Unless the ship's captain is a complete idiot, they'll never get a direct hit in.
Not all ships are as illusive as the Normandy.
Sovvy had no shields from being overloaded by Saren puppet's demise. Anyone could have done that shot. Shepard could have looked out the window and shot a cain finished Sovvy by that point.D24O wrote...
Didn't the SR1 land the final shot on Sovvy?
You actually expected to be able to defeat the reapers conventionally? I didn't. I did think it was pretty clear from the start. If not the start, then after ME 2 at least. I expected before hand that we'd have to unite the galaxy, and I expected before hand that we would need a super weapon to destroy the reapers.
Modifié par Stornskar, 27 juillet 2012 - 01:48 .
De1ta G wrote...
Tritium315 wrote...
De1ta G wrote...
As I said, their weapons are dodgeable. Unless the ship's captain is a complete idiot, they'll never get a direct hit in.
Not all ships are as illusive as the Normandy.
That's why the Normandy needs to kill all the Reapers!
than Shep killing all those Geth/Cerberus/Reaper troops.
And yet, Shepard and his entire crew combined have nothing on some of the promoted N7 Special Forces from multiplayer...Tritium315 wrote...
Not anymore
Modifié par Arturia Pendragon, 27 juillet 2012 - 01:50 .
Oh yea, but any other ship wouldn't have been as cool for the cinematic.silentassassin264 wrote...
Sovvy had no shields from being overloaded by Saren puppet's demise. Anyone could have done that shot. Shepard could have looked out the window and shot a cain finished Sovvy by that point.D24O wrote...
Didn't the SR1 land the final shot on Sovvy?
Arturia Pendragon wrote...
And yet, Shepard and his entire crew combined have nothing on some of the promoted N7 Special Forces from multiplayer...Tritium315 wrote...
Not anymore
D24O wrote...
Oh yea, but any other ship wouldn't have been as cool for the cinematic.silentassassin264 wrote...
Sovvy had no shields from being overloaded by Saren puppet's demise. Anyone could have done that shot. Shepard could have looked out the window and shot a cain finished Sovvy by that point.D24O wrote...
Didn't the SR1 land the final shot on Sovvy?
you take the words from my mouthRussianZombeh wrote...
The fact that ONE REAPER (Sovereign) was able to nearly completely desimate the Citadel fleets, and cripple the Alliance shows that conventional victory is impossible.
You can even see throughout ME3, over the course of a month or two - the Reapers take over HALF THE GALAXY. Their lasers can tear through a dreadnought in SECONDS. Their shields are near-indestructable.
I honestly don't know how you people can believe a conventional victory is possible. The Reapers can cripple the Galaxy in a month, and you believe conventional victory is possible?
THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS CONVENTIONAL VICTORY YOU FOOLS.
Stornskar wrote...
You actually expected to be able to defeat the reapers conventionally? I didn't. I did think it was pretty clear from the start. If not the start, then after ME 2 at least. I expected before hand that we'd have to unite the galaxy, and I expected before hand that we would need a super weapon to destroy the reapers.
I did actually - the entire message throughout ME1 and ME2 was that you can overcome impossible odds. I never got the message that it was hopeless ... I actually could have handled a way to overcome them nonconventionally, too, if it was introduced better. Franky, I hated the Catalyst
De1ta G wrote...
Hated the catalyst as well. Everything up to that part I thought was great. (Except Kai Leng but that's besides the point by a mile)
The reapers to me always seemed so much more than being impossible odds. They were on a much higher level anything. They said getting to Illos was impossible but it didn't appear to be that hard. Just needed a advanced stealth system and a good pilot. Sucide Mission, eh. Once you found out how to successfully get through the relay all that was needed was a few upgrades and a super squad that wasn't distracted. Those two things don't even come close to what the reaper threat was.
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