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[Vic7im]

I thought that would make the game more interesting, then I got stomped the second I went down.

/signed.

[Carnagedude504]

. . .

Stomping has always existed, I don't know what the rest of you are talking about...

Well, it never did exist on the Reaper faction, but the Geth and the Cerberus factions always stomped on the fallen within a few seconds of them going down.

[sclera]

DullahansXMark wrote...

No amount of skill can save you from getting stomped. I guess you could try to avoid dying

But this is a contradiction. If you have the skill to prevent your own death, then by extension you have the skill to prevent your own stompage. Logic, my friend. 

[sclera]

Carnagedude504 wrote...

. . .

Stomping has always existed, I don't know what the rest of you are talking about...

Well, it never did exist on the Reaper faction, but the Geth and the Cerberus factions always stomped on the fallen within a few seconds of them going down.

No, they never used to stomp in gold until Bioware changed it recently. 

[DullahansXMark]

sclera wrote...

DullahansXMark wrote...

No amount of skill can save you from getting stomped. I guess you could try to avoid dying

But this is a contradiction. If you have the skill to prevent your own death, then by extension you have the skill to prevent your own stompage. Logic, my friend. 

You are correct.

Try to avoid dying once in an entire Gold match. Lemme know how it goes

[greghorvath]

I have only this to say:

cooperative multiplayer

[Carnagedude504]

sclera wrote...

Carnagedude504 wrote...

. . .

Stomping has always existed, I don't know what the rest of you are talking about...

Well, it never did exist on the Reaper faction, but the Geth and the Cerberus factions always stomped on the fallen within a few seconds of them going down.

No, they never used to stomp in gold until Bioware changed it recently. 

I've been stomped on gold before, lots of times by those damned Geth troopers with their accursed rocket-based machine guns. I've never seen it in platinum before because I never played platinum after crashing and burning with PuGs (no mics). But yeah, i've been stomped on gold before. Unless they added it so the Reaper faction can stomp on gold now, it's nothing new to me.

[sclera]

DullahansXMark wrote...

sclera wrote...

DullahansXMark wrote...

No amount of skill can save you from getting stomped. I guess you could try to avoid dying

But this is a contradiction. If you have the skill to prevent your own death, then by extension you have the skill to prevent your own stompage. Logic, my friend. 

You are correct.

Try to avoid dying once in an entire Gold match. Lemme know how it goes

I don't really see your point here. If I go down, I and my team are 100% aware that I might be stomped and will act accordingly, either with medi-gel (the skill required to use this is as simple as pressing a button, by the way) or the game's revive mechanic. Again, not fake difficulty. Just a game mechanic.  

[sclera]

greghorvath wrote...

I have only this to say:

cooperative multiplayer

I could select two random words out of the dictionary and my post would add more to the discussion than you have. 

[InsomniaticMeat]

I think I read somewhere that stomping was bugged on Gold before the update. Though I'd hate to have to go digging about to find a proper source on these forums, especially since I really don't mind the stomping.

They're trying to avoid stuff from being farmed, they're encouraging group play and ultimately they're trying to make sure the game stays a challenge - Rather than conventional games that get rather dull and uneventful once you learn the basic **** of it all.

[DullahansXMark]

sclera wrote...

I don't really see your point here. If I go down, I and my team are 100% aware that I might be stomped and will act accordingly, either with medi-gel (the skill required to use this is as simple as pressing a button, by the way) or the game's revive mechanic. Again, not fake difficulty. Just a game mechanic.  

The point I'm getting at is, not everyone's good enough to frequently avoid dying, and if they used the secret power of the almighty medi-gel every time something came around to stomp them, they'd notice their supply dwindle VERY rapidly. And that button won't work every time you press it, because medi-gel are limited.

As for the revive mechanic, can't revive someone if the enemy constantly flocks to them using the powers of super-lightning OCD before you can even register that they're downed.

It's fake difficulty disguised as a game mechanic.

[B.Shep]

I don't mind it's better this way, maybe now some bronze players will stop getting killed each 20 seconds because they didn't take cover in the next time they try to play on gold/platinum...

[sclera]

DullahansXMark wrote...

sclera wrote...

I don't really see your point here. If I go down, I and my team are 100% aware that I might be stomped and will act accordingly, either with medi-gel (the skill required to use this is as simple as pressing a button, by the way) or the game's revive mechanic. Again, not fake difficulty. Just a game mechanic.  

The point I'm getting at is, not everyone's good enough to frequently avoid dying, and if they used the secret power of the almighty medi-gel every time something came around to stomp them, they'd notice their supply dwindle VERY rapidly. And that button won't work every time you press it, because medi-gel are limited.

As for the revive mechanic, can't revive someone if the enemy constantly flocks to them using the powers of super-lightning OCD before you can even register that they're downed.

It's fake difficulty disguised as a game mechanic.

But some people are - that's the point. 

If something can be avoided through skill then it is genuine difficulty, not fake difficulty. Nobody is skillful enough to avoid the mysterious invisible atlas executions, and nobody is skillful enough to recognize an invisible turret from the entire map away, hence those things are fake difficulty. 

[MaxShine]

omg... after wave 5, I think the only stomping unit that remains is the atlas... (troopers do not spawn after wave 5) Really, this should not be a problem at all... To the op: If you have to use a lot of medigel before wave 6, I recommend you turn down the difficulty

Modifié par 100RenegadePoints, 27 juillet 2012 - 07:58 .

[Prawny]

It doesn't need to be removed, just fixed. Enemies shouldn't be instantly sprinting over to you as you're falling to the ground ¬.¬

[DullahansXMark]

sclera wrote...

DullahansXMark wrote...

sclera wrote...

I don't really see your point here. If I go down, I and my team are 100% aware that I might be stomped and will act accordingly, either with medi-gel (the skill required to use this is as simple as pressing a button, by the way) or the game's revive mechanic. Again, not fake difficulty. Just a game mechanic.  

The point I'm getting at is, not everyone's good enough to frequently avoid dying, and if they used the secret power of the almighty medi-gel every time something came around to stomp them, they'd notice their supply dwindle VERY rapidly. And that button won't work every time you press it, because medi-gel are limited.

As for the revive mechanic, can't revive someone if the enemy constantly flocks to them using the powers of super-lightning OCD before you can even register that they're downed.

It's fake difficulty disguised as a game mechanic.

But some people are - that's the point. 

If something can be avoided through skill then it is genuine difficulty, not fake difficulty. Nobody is skillful enough to avoid the mysterious invisible atlas executions, and nobody is skillful enough to recognize an invisible turret from the entire map away, hence those things are fake difficulty. 

I can easily play a Silver match without even really paying attention and still win. I find Gold challenging. I want to play Gold, not Silver, because Silver is uninteresting and boring.

I will admit, I'm actually pretty used to the new mechanic at this point, to where it doesn't even really bother me anymore (and I suppose I'm a better player for that), but it doesn't mean I like it at all. The game was more fun without stomping, and just because some elitist people (not you, you're actually civil when being talked to) demand that people shouldn't be able to have fun doesn't mean they should be listened to.

[SierraGHOSTN7]

This is the punishment for failing Operation Broadside.

[DullahansXMark]

Astaiir wrote...

This is the punishment for failing Operation Broadside.

We failed to get that extra Medi-Gel slot. So now we get to lose our entire Medi-Gel supply

[Torguemada]

DullahansXMark wrote...

FireKetchup wrote...

DullahansXMark wrote...

heybigmoney wrote...

Gold was too ez. Needs more curbstomps.

On plat there are hardly any troopers to stomp you. If your whole team gets stomped in wave 2 you weren't going to make it far anyway.

Curbstomps don't make the game any harder. They just make it more annoying.

Apparently they do make it harder if people are now losing because of it.  He's right though, if you lose to stomps, you werent going to win anyway.

tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/FakeDifficulty

Enlighten yourself.

Whats you point, the stomping making the game harder is a fact evidenced by multiple people whining that their now losing more on gold.

[bob2.0]

Executions should exist on all difficulties.

What carried a lot of **** players through gold was the lack of it, because all they had to do mash space bar until a team mate revived them, knowing that if worse came to worse, they could wait until the very last moment of bleeding before they gelled, and by that point the area would usually be clear of enemies anyway.

So my thoughts to OP?

Die less. Executions get introduced into gold/plat (like it should have been from the beginning) and now you're losing matches all the time?

The execution mechanic is clearly the root cause of those losses.

Modifié par bob2.0, 27 juillet 2012 - 08:50 .

[Mandalore313]

Either deal with it by getting better at the game/finding good teammates or go back to a lower difficulty.

Useless whining thread is useless.

[DullahansXMark]

Torguemada wrote...

DullahansXMark wrote...

FireKetchup wrote...

DullahansXMark wrote...

heybigmoney wrote...

Gold was too ez. Needs more curbstomps.

On plat there are hardly any troopers to stomp you. If your whole team gets stomped in wave 2 you weren't going to make it far anyway.

Curbstomps don't make the game any harder. They just make it more annoying.

Apparently they do make it harder if people are now losing because of it.  He's right though, if you lose to stomps, you werent going to win anyway.

tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/FakeDifficulty

Enlighten yourself.

Whats you point, the stomping making the game harder is a fact evidenced by multiple people whining that their now losing more on gold.

As I've stated repeatedly, they're losing for the wrong reasons. Before, people lost matches because they just couldn't do well enough to finish. Now, people are losing because they can't save their allies in time and the downed ally in question has 9/10 of his 'Tap A to not die' gauge filled but no medi-gel.

Explain to me how this is fair.

[count_4]

121210Olivia wrote...

Rokayt wrote...

So you guys who play the top difficulties are saying that you wont put up with inconveniences that silly bronze mongrels have put up with for ages?

WEAAAKKKKKK.

"Bronze". Nuff' said.

Yeah, these lowly noobs playing the lower difficulties, right? Wait, what was your thread about again? Oh right, you whined about Gold being too difficult. Might try Bronze/Silver then, mate.  

[121210Olivia]

DullahansXMark wrote...

As I've stated repeatedly, they're losing for the wrong reasons. Before, people lost matches because they just couldn't do well enough to finish. Now, people are losing because they can't save their allies in time and the downed ally in question has 9/10 of his 'Tap A to not die' gauge filled but no medi-gel.

Explain to me how this is fair.

For those that have entered this thread and unwittingly posted unwanted, unwelcome and previously addressed non-viable suggestions such as "Duh, change level", or "Daa, improve your game", nada-yada: Dullahan's quote sums up a large part of what this thread is in relation to. 

Read. Think. Comment. Or get stomped.

[121210Olivia]

count_4 wrote...

121210Olivia wrote...

Rokayt wrote...

So you guys who play the top difficulties are saying that you wont put up with inconveniences that silly bronze mongrels have put up with for ages?

WEAAAKKKKKK.

"Bronze". Nuff' said.

I still <3 this.

Yeah, these lowly noobs playing the lower difficulties, right? Wait, what was your thread about again? Oh right, you whined about Gold being too difficult. Might try Bronze/Silver then, mate.  

Refer to my last post, "mate".