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[tonnactus]

Stomping should force the team to stick together and not to run around like headless chickens.

[NikkoJT]

I think stomping should stay.
The enemies should be made less determined to do it as fast as they can, though.

edit: fixed ambiguity

Modifié par NikkoJT, 27 juillet 2012 - 09:24 .

[121210Olivia]

Mandalore313 wrote...

Either deal with it by getting better at the game/finding good teammates or go back to a lower difficulty.

Useless whining thread is useless.

^This. Whereas there is no "I" in team, there is an "I" that subjectively compliments the utterance "...didn't read and thus do not understand what this thread is addressing". That "I" belongs to you mister.
Take an Engineer's size 10 to the head during Lvl X.

[DullahansXMark]

tonnactus wrote...

Stomping should force the team to stick together and not to run around like headless chickens.

Valid, but there's only so much we as players can do. The execution system is basically just another RNG system that decides when you should die. There's no skill involved in avoiding execution (other than not dying, I suppose, but good luck doing a perfect Gold/Platinum match). You could be playing tactical, Assault Troopers flank you, one shoots a guy to death, and the other stomps him before the other guys even fully realize what's going on. I know that's highly unlikely, but that's the kind of stuff we're going to be in for now.

I don't see how people could be okay with executions but hate instant-kill grabs and the store system.

[bob2.0]

121210Olivia wrote...

DullahansXMark wrote...

As I've stated repeatedly, they're losing for the wrong reasons. Before, people lost matches because they just couldn't do well enough to finish. Now, people are losing because they can't save their allies in time and the downed ally in question has 9/10 of his 'Tap A to not die' gauge filled but no medi-gel.

Explain to me how this is fair.

For those that have entered this thread and unwittingly posted unwanted, unwelcome and previously addressed non-viable suggestions such as "Duh, change level", or "Daa, improve your game", nada-yada: Dullahan's quote sums up a large part of what this thread is in relation to. 

Read. Think. Comment. Or get stomped.

Executions while downed are not artificial difficulty. Geth shenanigans are artificial difficulty. Magnet hands is artificial difficulty.

If his bleedout bar is almost filled then he'd better use a gel. And if he doesn't have any then he's stupid for walking into gold without gel. Or if he's used 5 of them already then the player in question and very likely the rest of the fire team need to get some more trigger time in silver. If you lost gold matches because you weren't good enough to finish, then executions are the least of your problems.

And how is playing is a difficulty appropriate for your skill level non-viable?

[121210Olivia]

tonnactus wrote...

Stomping should force the team to stick together and not to run around like headless chickens.

No. Now PUBs still run around only they end up dead chickens and stomping enables them to be so --  very quickly.

Unt das ist schiezen ya?

[Bravenu3]

Disagree with OP. Yes, stomping is annoying and an additional increase in inconvenience, but it should be taken as a warning to play more careful and coordinate with your team.

[miraclemight]

Stomping is fine, as long as they you give you a few seconds to use medi-gel. I saw people become 'executed' right after dying (a second after), without having a chance to revive themselves.

Modifié par miraclemight, 27 juillet 2012 - 09:36 .

[Mandalore313]

121210Olivia wrote...

Mandalore313 wrote...

Either deal with it by getting better at the game/finding good teammates or go back to a lower difficulty.

Useless whining thread is useless.

^This. Whereas there is no "I" in team, there is an "I" that subjectively compliments the utterance "...didn't read and thus do not understand what this thread is addressing". That "I" belongs to you mister.
Take an Engineer's size 10 to the head during Lvl X.

No point in posting here anymore.

[bob2.0]

DullahansXMark wrote...

tonnactus wrote...

Stomping should force the team to stick together and not to run around like headless chickens.

Valid, but there's only so much we as players can do. The execution system is basically just another RNG system that decides when you should die. There's no skill involved in avoiding execution (other than not dying, I suppose, but good luck doing a perfect Gold/Platinum match). You could be playing tactical, Assault Troopers flank you, one shoots a guy to death, and the other stomps him before the other guys even fully realize what's going on. I know that's highly unlikely, but that's the kind of stuff we're going to be in for now.

I don't see how people could be okay with executions but hate instant-kill grabs and the store system.

It's not RNG. If you die to three trooper then one of them is going to try to execute you.
The skill in avoiding execution lies on you with not dying and mostly on your team mates with how they react.

Executions are completely preventable if you let your team know what just happened, and provided you're not doing the lone wolf thing. Your buddy tells you he's been downed, you turn and immediately check and/or fire on where he was downed to kill anything left. Prioritize mooks that actually do the executions.

[DullahansXMark]

I think we all would just like it to not be so frequent. As I've stated before, executions don't bother me. What bothers me is that it happens nigh-instantly the moment I get downed. Unless my ally was literally RIGHT on top of me, there's nothing he or she could possibly do to help because it just happens so fast.

I once saw an Assault Trooper stop attacking one of my allies and try to run HALF-WAY across the map to try and stomp another ally who got downed. Where's the sense in that?! When I put it that way, it actually sounds like it's making the game easier now, because shooting that Assault Trooper was both simple and fun.

I think it basically comes down to this, though: do you guys seriously LIKE getting stomped? If the answer is yes, I have the phone number to a good mental therapist that I'd be happy to give out.

[DullahansXMark]

bob2.0 wrote...

DullahansXMark wrote...

tonnactus wrote...

Stomping should force the team to stick together and not to run around like headless chickens.

Valid, but there's only so much we as players can do. The execution system is basically just another RNG system that decides when you should die. There's no skill involved in avoiding execution (other than not dying, I suppose, but good luck doing a perfect Gold/Platinum match). You could be playing tactical, Assault Troopers flank you, one shoots a guy to death, and the other stomps him before the other guys even fully realize what's going on. I know that's highly unlikely, but that's the kind of stuff we're going to be in for now.

I don't see how people could be okay with executions but hate instant-kill grabs and the store system.

It's not RNG. If you die to three trooper then one of them is going to try to execute you.
The skill in avoiding execution lies on you with not dying and mostly on your team mates with how they react.

Executions are completely preventable if you let your team know what just happened, and provided you're not doing the lone wolf thing. Your buddy tells you he's been downed, you turn and immediately check and/or fire on where he was downed to kill anything left. Prioritize mooks that actually do the executions.

A fair point. At least you're actually proposing a solution to the problem, unlike all the "hurr durr, OP is a noob" posts that have littered this thread at this point. Sometimes Assault Troopers have this strange moment of Devastator Mode though, where nothing keeps them from doing their job of stomping an ally. But, I suppose that's what GUNS are for.

My only real advice to people who have an issue with this new system (like I did earlier today), is just get used to it. It's not changing anytime soon, so you may as well play it to your advantage and use ally corpses as a good place to set up a missile launch

The worst that could happen is, you get better at the game, and then if the day comes that this is lifted, you'll be a better player. Awesomesauce.

[FireKetchup]

DullahansXMark wrote...

No amount of skill can save you from getting stomped. I guess you could try to avoid dying, but it was once the hardest difficulty. Expecting people to not die once in a while is stupid. It's gonna happen to the average player.

It's fake difficulty.

Pushing 7 sure is hard.

[IllusiveManJr]

Adhok42 wrote...

Stomping has existed in this game even on gold. They simply tweaked it for an increased chance of it happening since it was lower for some reason.

It's nothing new. I've been stomped before on Gold and I'm used to it.

The trick is surviving in the first place until you can clear out all the weaker enemies that "stomp" you.

So not signing. You're asking for a mechanic that has always been there to be removed.

Completely false. You're wrong.

[greghorvath]

sclera wrote...

greghorvath wrote...

I have only this to say:

cooperative multiplayer

I could select two random words out of the dictionary and my post would add more to the discussion than you have. 

Let me specify for those that lack the mental capacity to understand my previous, heaviliy densified comment.

1. Play with people that will revive you. Move in teams so you can be revived.
2. If you play random games, do not be surprised whatever happens.

Can't be bothered to go deeper into this.

[DullahansXMark]

FireKetchup wrote...

DullahansXMark wrote...

No amount of skill can save you from getting stomped. I guess you could try to avoid dying, but it was once the hardest difficulty. Expecting people to not die once in a while is stupid. It's gonna happen to the average player.

It's fake difficulty.

Pushing 7 sure is hard.

Indeed it is.

How's that been going for you so far?

[bob2.0]

DullahansXMark wrote...

I think we all would just like it to not be so frequent. As I've stated before, executions don't bother me. What bothers me is that it happens nigh-instantly the moment I get downed. Unless my ally was literally RIGHT on top of me, there's nothing he or she could possibly do to help because it just happens so fast.

I once saw an Assault Trooper stop attacking one of my allies and try to run HALF-WAY across the map to try and stomp another ally who got downed. Where's the sense in that?! When I put it that way, it actually sounds like it's making the game easier now, because shooting that Assault Trooper was both simple and fun.

I think it basically comes down to this, though: do you guys seriously LIKE getting stomped? If the answer is yes, I have the phone number to a good mental therapist that I'd be happy to give out.

Yes. I like for there to be punishments for me playing like I don't know any better.
The rare occasion I get executed, nine times out of ten it's my own fault and I'm enough of a man to own up to it. I got downed and executed because I temporarily forgot everything I was taught.
That other one time is usually space bar doing the one thing I don't want it to do.

[121210Olivia]

bob2.0 wrote...

121210Olivia wrote...

DullahansXMark wrote...

As I've stated repeatedly, they're losing for the wrong reasons. Before, people lost matches because they just couldn't do well enough to finish. Now, people are losing because they can't save their allies in time and the downed ally in question has 9/10 of his 'Tap A to not die' gauge filled but no medi-gel.

Explain to me how this is fair.

For those that have entered this thread and unwittingly posted unwanted, unwelcome and previously addressed non-viable suggestions such as "Duh, change level", or "Daa, improve your game", nada-yada: Dullahan's quote sums up a large part of what this thread is in relation to. 

Read. Think. Comment. Or get stomped.

Executions while downed are not artificial difficulty. Geth shenanigans are artificial difficulty. Magnet hands is artificial difficulty.

If his bleedout bar is almost filled then he'd better use a gel. And if he doesn't have any then he's stupid for walking into gold without gel. Or if he's used 5 of them already then the player in question and very likely the rest of the fire team need to get some more trigger time in silver. If you lost gold matches because you weren't good enough to finish, then executions are the least of your problems.

And how is playing is a difficulty appropriate for your skill level non-viable?

You know what, I am actually going to entertain this.

Well Bob.2, it seems you hit the nail on the knob. Knob hit 1: I don't lose Gold matches because I'm not good enough, as many can attest to. Knob hit 2: I am not new to Gold, can solo silver, and I am not new to Gold. Knob hit 3: how on Earth (be it reaper-burnt or otherwise) do you think, dare (even better), to know what game-play level is appropriate for me?

Perhaps you might check out my manifest and my achievements before you have the audacity to even hint at knowing what difficulty level is appropriate for me. Better still, try reading and thus understanding what a thread is addressing. 

Stomping Knob hit 4: unlike Cerburus not missing downed players, you missed the point of this thread completely. 

Now, go away and feel stupid for awhile and consider yourself entertained.

[DullahansXMark]

bob2.0 wrote...

DullahansXMark wrote...

I think we all would just like it to not be so frequent. As I've stated before, executions don't bother me. What bothers me is that it happens nigh-instantly the moment I get downed. Unless my ally was literally RIGHT on top of me, there's nothing he or she could possibly do to help because it just happens so fast.

I once saw an Assault Trooper stop attacking one of my allies and try to run HALF-WAY across the map to try and stomp another ally who got downed. Where's the sense in that?! When I put it that way, it actually sounds like it's making the game easier now, because shooting that Assault Trooper was both simple and fun.

I think it basically comes down to this, though: do you guys seriously LIKE getting stomped? If the answer is yes, I have the phone number to a good mental therapist that I'd be happy to give out.

Yes. I like for there to be punishments for me playing like I don't know any better.
The rare occasion I get executed, nine times out of ten it's my own fault and I'm enough of a man to own up to it. I got downed and executed because I temporarily forgot everything I was taught.
That other one time is usually space bar doing the one thing I don't want it to do.

Yeah. I guess I just had a few bad matches with jack**** players who apparently didn't know there was an A button on the controller and just rolled right on over me. Now that I've got my bearings, Gold's definitely a lot better than ever.

A lesson for everyone

[snfonseka]

Stomping is a waste in gold/ platinum. But not sure whether "stomping" is active in platinum?

[bob2.0]

121210Olivia wrote...

bob2.0 wrote...

121210Olivia wrote...

DullahansXMark wrote...

As I've stated repeatedly, they're losing for the wrong reasons. Before, people lost matches because they just couldn't do well enough to finish. Now, people are losing because they can't save their allies in time and the downed ally in question has 9/10 of his 'Tap A to not die' gauge filled but no medi-gel.

Explain to me how this is fair.

For those that have entered this thread and unwittingly posted unwanted, unwelcome and previously addressed non-viable suggestions such as "Duh, change level", or "Daa, improve your game", nada-yada: Dullahan's quote sums up a large part of what this thread is in relation to. 

Read. Think. Comment. Or get stomped.

Executions while downed are not artificial difficulty. Geth shenanigans are artificial difficulty. Magnet hands is artificial difficulty.

If his bleedout bar is almost filled then he'd better use a gel. And if he doesn't have any then he's stupid for walking into gold without gel. Or if he's used 5 of them already then the player in question and very likely the rest of the fire team need to get some more trigger time in silver. If you lost gold matches because you weren't good enough to finish, then executions are the least of your problems.

And how is playing is a difficulty appropriate for your skill level non-viable?

You know what, I am actually going to entertain this.

Well Bob.2, it seems you hit the nail on the knob. Knob hit 1: I don't lose Gold matches because I'm not good enough, as many can attest to. Knob hit 2: I am not new to Gold, can solo silver, and I am not new to Gold. Knob hit 3: how on Earth (be it reaper-burnt or otherwise) do you think, dare (even better), to know what game-play level is appropriate for me?

Perhaps you might check out my manifest and my achievements before you have the audacity to even hint at knowing what difficulty level is appropriate for me. Better still, try reading and thus understanding what a thread is addressing. 

Stomping Knob hit 4: unlike Cerburus not missing downed players, you missed the point of this thread completely. 

Now, go away and feel stupid for awhile and consider yourself entertained.

I never suggested anything about what difficulty level you should play on. I myself played in silver for quite a while before moving to gold.

But ultra rare unlocks do not impress me. Due to my playstyle all but 2 of them are worthless to me, and I only have one of those two.

The point of the thread seemed to be you not being happy executions being introduced into gold, but honestly they should have been there from release.

121210Olivia wrote...

I play PUB games almost exclusively. Since stomping was introduced, I
lose more than I win. Prior to this I won more (far more) than I lost. 

So the playerbase has yet to catch up to the new and (rightfully) introduced mechanic. Or any of the other points others and myself have brought up. Give it time, the playerbase will catch up. Keep at it, you'll find your skills adapting to the change.

Or keep whining like a child and act like a snot-nosed brat to people.

[DHKany]

DullahansXMark wrote...

DHKany wrote...

Sticking to teammates should help.

Should. Sad truth is, oftentimes it doesn't. PUGs ftl, I suppose.

I guess, I don't mind the stomping too much though because I play with friends.

[bob2.0]

DullahansXMark wrote...

bob2.0 wrote...

DullahansXMark wrote...

I think we all would just like it to not be so frequent. As I've stated before, executions don't bother me. What bothers me is that it happens nigh-instantly the moment I get downed. Unless my ally was literally RIGHT on top of me, there's nothing he or she could possibly do to help because it just happens so fast.

I once saw an Assault Trooper stop attacking one of my allies and try to run HALF-WAY across the map to try and stomp another ally who got downed. Where's the sense in that?! When I put it that way, it actually sounds like it's making the game easier now, because shooting that Assault Trooper was both simple and fun.

I think it basically comes down to this, though: do you guys seriously LIKE getting stomped? If the answer is yes, I have the phone number to a good mental therapist that I'd be happy to give out.

Yes. I like for there to be punishments for me playing like I don't know any better.
The rare occasion I get executed, nine times out of ten it's my own fault and I'm enough of a man to own up to it. I got downed and executed because I temporarily forgot everything I was taught.
That other one time is usually space bar doing the one thing I don't want it to do.

Yeah. I guess I just had a few bad matches with jack**** players who apparently didn't know there was an A button on the controller and just rolled right on over me. Now that I've got my bearings, Gold's definitely a lot better than ever.

A lesson for everyone

Oh noes, my buddy is down! Get close, target him, hit space bar.

Stick to cover. Vault over cover. Dive forward. Dive backward. Stick to a different cover. Roll off of cover. Begin activating nearby device. Stick to first cover again. Vault over it as my buddy has to gel.

**** you, space bar.

[DullahansXMark]

bob2.0 wrote...

Oh noes, my buddy is down! Get close, target him, hit space bar.

Stick to cover. Vault over cover. Dive forward. Dive backward. Stick to a different cover. Roll off of cover. Begin activating nearby device. Stick to first cover again. Vault over it as my buddy has to gel.

**** you, space bar.

^ This just made my night

[Torguemada]

121210Olivia wrote...

Well Bob.2, it seems you hit the nail on the knob. Knob hit 1: I don't lose Gold matches because I'm not good enough, as many can attest to.

Yes you do, thats the only reason for losing there is.