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[Dokteur Kill]

[Stinja]

Astartes Marine wrote...
That kind of system of a universal ammo pool was tried by Deus Ex Invisible War.  Didn't turn out so well...

It's an interesting idea, but one that would require massive amounts of tweaking and perfecting.  A programmer's nightmare.

Yeah I wasn't saying change ME3 if I gave that impression, just saying how under lore it might work.

If I was ME1 Shepard going into ME2, upon being given a thermal clip gun, I would of been "WTF is this piece of ****?! :sick:",  gone to one of my dozens of hidden spectre weapon caches, grabbed a HMWA X and Polinium (sp?) rounds, gone back to R&D and said, "Spectre level override command, make more of these", and gone hunting with another... 

[Magicman10893]

Stinja wrote...

Astartes Marine wrote...
That kind of system of a universal ammo pool was tried by Deus Ex Invisible War.  Didn't turn out so well...

It's an interesting idea, but one that would require massive amounts of tweaking and perfecting.  A programmer's nightmare.

Yeah I wasn't saying change ME3 if I gave that impression, just saying how under lore it might work.

If I was ME1 Shepard going into ME2, upon being given a thermal clip gun, I would of been "WTF is this piece of ****?! :sick:",  gone to one of my dozens of hidden spectre weapon caches, grabbed a HMWA X and Polinium (sp?) rounds, gone back to R&D and said, "Spectre level override command, make more of these", and gone hunting with another... 

Thank you for reminding me. What the **** happened to my retirement house from ME1? I want it back!

[Strict31]

RamPuppy wrote...


Your typhoon gets five clips and burns through them cause it's making big heavy bullets and firing them fast and hard - your avenger is making little light bullets and firing them not as fast - therefore - avenger is more heat efficient than the typhoon.

Lore restored - whew! close one!

This actually doesn't cover it. Because while the OP may have mixed thermal mags and ammo, we're still talking about spare mags.

Or to put it another way, mags your character is capable of carrying.

Or to put it yet another way, mags that haven't yet been used for either weapon.

Assuming all thermal clips are, as the lore claims, universal, and further assuming you have 5 mags for your assault rifle and 6 for your pistol, you should have 11 mags that can be loaded into either weapon.

But what happens is, when you run out of those 5 mags for your AR, you cannot load any of the unused mags for your pistol. If you never use your pistol, those 6 mags cannot be used for any other weapon.

I'm sorry, and I don't mean to be contrary, but your explanation doesn't cover this.

Of course, I understand that we suspend a certain level of disbelief in our fiction. But we might as well just leave it at suspension of disbelief, because the explanations do not succeed in explaining the problem.

[kr3g]

RamPuppy wrote...

so - you do know clips don't hold ammo right? they are heat sinks. Your gun uses mass effect fields to shave ammo off from an internal supply & manufacture mechanism.

Your typhoon gets five clips and burns through them cause it's making big heavy bullets and firing them fast and hard - your avenger is making little light bullets and firing them not as fast - therefore - avenger is more heat efficient than the typhoon.

Lore restored - whew! close one!

Eh, no. You still have less spare clips on typhoon, than on avenger. That can only be explained by "balance" thing.

[Arppis]

landylan wrote...

 They are supposed to be compatible with all weapons, but your weapons don't share ammo. My typhoon gets five clips I think. My avenger gets way more than that. How does this make any sense....

It's breaking lore, so you can give us protheans in the next dlc now.

Very simple sollution. Each weapon heats up at different rate. As Shepard said: It's not ammo, Conrad.

[Strict31]

Arppis wrote...

landylan wrote...

 They are supposed to be compatible with all weapons, but your weapons don't share ammo. My typhoon gets five clips I think. My avenger gets way more than that. How does this make any sense....

It's breaking lore, so you can give us protheans in the next dlc now.

Very simple sollution. Each weapon heats up at different rate. As Shepard said: It's not ammo, Conrad.

Of course each weapon heats up at a different rate. That has no impact on the heat mag's universal nature. It's like saying one person takes a bigger bite out of an oreo cookie than another person does with an identical oreo cookie.

The mags are universal. One weapon may go through the mag's thermal capacity faster or slower than another weapon, but that does not change the fact the mags are universal. 

There is no difference between any unused thermal clip. They are all the same and can be used in any weapon. While the individual weapon may generate heat at a specific rate, the capacity of the mag remains unchanged. It just means the weapon is burning through that capacity more quickly or more slowly. Or that it is taking up comparatively more or comparatively less of that same capacity.

[Epsilon330]

Modifié par Epsilon330, 27 juillet 2012 - 09:01 .

[bob2.0]

Sdrol117 wrote...

thermal clips techincally are universal, and for example, should be able to be popped out of the gun and thrown into your other gun.

While I completely agree...

This game is filled with ****ups and retards who wouldn't be able to deal with a shared ammo pool even after they dealt with the fact that different weapons fill termal clips at different rates and what your reserve clip count is going to be as far as balancing goes.

An unmodified Avenger X fires thiry rounds before the thermal clip is full. It's reserve ammo is 262, which is 8.7 thermal clips.

An unmodified Claymore X fires once before the thermal clip is full. It has 19 reserve thermal clips.

An unmodified Typhoon I fires 100 times before the thermal clip is full. It has 400 reserve ammo, and thus 4 spare thermal clips.

An unmodified Harrier I fires 20 times before the thermal clip is full and has 100 reserve ammo and thus 5 spare clips.

Side note: If they bring Protheans into MP, then I want an ex-Cerberus Atlas Pilot with a mech that's been hot rodded by N7 engineers.

Modifié par bob2.0, 27 juillet 2012 - 09:17 .

[count_4]

RamPuppy wrote...
so - you do know clips don't hold ammo right? they are heat sinks. Your gun uses mass effect fields to shave ammo off from an internal supply & manufacture mechanism.

Well, technically the Mass Effect field is used to make the shaved off grain even lighter to be able to fire it faster.

Modifié par count_4, 27 juillet 2012 - 09:20 .

[LuckyBullet95]

Oh god...

[Omnifarious Nef]

xSNPx ZoDiaC wrote...

^ Oh hai, i'm a Rachni lol.


Also cloning does not necessarily make EXACT copies. Just "borrowing" DNA.

They had an inert Queen egg, the queen then laid the rest of the Rachni, and Cerb began cloning them with the new vaired DNA.

Modifié par NeferiusX3, 27 juillet 2012 - 03:34 .

[GGW KillerTiger]

RamPuppy wrote...

so - you do know clips don't hold ammo right? they are heat sinks. Your gun uses mass effect fields to shave ammo off from an internal supply & manufacture mechanism.

Your typhoon gets five clips and burns through them cause it's making big heavy bullets and firing them fast and hard - your avenger is making little light bullets and firing them not as fast - therefore - avenger is more heat efficient than the typhoon.

Lore restored - whew! close one!

Point is that if the thermal clips are universal as lore states then we should get 1 set of thermal clips for all weapons and be able to use them not get an ammo count for each gun ..... :innocent:

[Omnifarious Nef]

GGW KillerTiger wrote...

RamPuppy wrote...

so - you do know clips don't hold ammo right? they are heat sinks. Your gun uses mass effect fields to shave ammo off from an internal supply & manufacture mechanism.

Your typhoon gets five clips and burns through them cause it's making big heavy bullets and firing them fast and hard - your avenger is making little light bullets and firing them not as fast - therefore - avenger is more heat efficient than the typhoon.

Lore restored - whew! close one!

Point is that if the thermal clips are universal as lore states then we should get 1 set of thermal clips for all weapons and be able to use them not get an ammo count for each gun ..... :innocent:

Thanks for reading the past few pages of the thread. Appretiate it.

[Arppis]

Strict31 wrote...

Arppis wrote...

landylan wrote...

 They are supposed to be compatible with all weapons, but your weapons don't share ammo. My typhoon gets five clips I think. My avenger gets way more than that. How does this make any sense....

It's breaking lore, so you can give us protheans in the next dlc now.

Very simple sollution. Each weapon heats up at different rate. As Shepard said: It's not ammo, Conrad.

Of course each weapon heats up at a different rate. That has no impact on the heat mag's universal nature. It's like saying one person takes a bigger bite out of an oreo cookie than another person does with an identical oreo cookie.

The mags are universal. One weapon may go through the mag's thermal capacity faster or slower than another weapon, but that does not change the fact the mags are universal. 

There is no difference between any unused thermal clip. They are all the same and can be used in any weapon. While the individual weapon may generate heat at a specific rate, the capacity of the mag remains unchanged. It just means the weapon is burning through that capacity more quickly or more slowly. Or that it is taking up comparatively more or comparatively less of that same capacity.

I know, it's what I said. In simple manner.

Modifié par Arppis, 27 juillet 2012 - 03:37 .

[GroverA125]

Not really, the sinks in the weapon are filled, you're not going to eject your clips from one weapon to throw into another weapon on the field, when bullets are flying. Much like how you wouldn't bother taking ammo out of one magazine and loading it into another. It's something you wouldn't do on the field. Spare clip number is dependant on the weapons, really, a Revenant may have more space for clips than a Javelin would. It's not to do with the actual clips, things generate more heat than others, but the actual number of clips is likely because of more thermal clip capacity (more space to house them in the weapon)

Granted, it'd be possible, but lorically it'd be bloody inconvenient. So no, it isn't breaking lore, so no protheans by default. Deal with it.

Modifié par GroverA125, 27 juillet 2012 - 03:42 .

[Chealec]

Adding Protheans to multiplayer ... hmmm only if they give them a double focus screen mode with about 160% all round vision (left > right and up > down) - with overlaps in extra sharp focus and semi-independent movement between pairs of eyes.

You thought Hunter Mode was bad?

[Sabbatine]

landylan wrote...

 They are supposed to be compatible with all weapons, but your weapons don't share ammo. My typhoon gets five clips I think. My avenger gets way more than that. How does this make any sense....

It's breaking lore, so you can give us protheans in the next dlc now.

Do you understand what a game mechanic is?

[Jonty38]

What about if the Prothean race used asexual reproduction? Then all the offspring would be from Javik and you could play as an offspring in the MP.

[Jeremiah12LGeek]

RamPuppy wrote...

so - you do know clips don't hold ammo right? they are heat sinks. Your gun uses mass effect fields to shave ammo off from an internal supply & manufacture mechanism.

Your typhoon gets five clips and burns through them cause it's making big heavy bullets and firing them fast and hard - your avenger is making little light bullets and firing them not as fast - therefore - avenger is more heat efficient than the typhoon.

Lore restored - whew! close one!

Actually, it's not. Even a cursary examination of the explanation provided in Mass Effect 2 is pretty insulting to the intelligence. Yes, they are heat sinks. However, no military institution anywhere would add the need for entire divisions of support staff and the constant risk of "running out of ammo" in exchange for a minor increase in fire rate.

[Strict31]

GroverA125 wrote...

Not really, the sinks in the weapon are filled, you're not going to eject your clips from one weapon to throw into another weapon on the field, when bullets are flying. Much like how you wouldn't bother taking ammo out of one magazine and loading it into another. It's something you wouldn't do on the field. Spare clip number is dependant on the weapons, really, a Revenant may have more space for clips than a Javelin would. It's not to do with the actual clips, things generate more heat than others, but the actual number of clips is likely because of more thermal clip capacity (more space to house them in the weapon)

Granted, it'd be possible, but lorically it'd be bloody inconvenient. So no, it isn't breaking lore, so no protheans by default. Deal with it.

How is this not getting through?

You carry a number of spare thermal mags that haven't yet been loaded into any weapon. These spare unused clips technically and according to the lore are universal and can be used in any weapon. 

But, if you carry five spare mags for your assault rifle and six spare mags for your SMG, you are not considered to have eleven spare mags to freely load into either weapon. In other words, you cannot share spare, unused heat mags between your weapons.

[Dokteur Kill]

Strict31 wrote...
How is this not getting through?

You carry a number of spare thermal mags that haven't yet been loaded into any weapon. These spare unused clips technically and according to the lore are universal and can be used in any weapon. 

But, if you carry five spare mags for your assault rifle and six spare mags for your SMG, you are not considered to have eleven spare mags to freely load into either weapon. In other words, you cannot share spare, unused heat mags between your weapons.

If you look at the reloading animations, you're not actually inserting a new thermal clip in the weapon. You're just ejecting the old one.

So the thermal clips appear to be held in each weapon, and spare clips are in the thermal clip packs.

Doesn't explain why some weapons apparently can hold a non-integer number of thermal clips, though. Or why unused heat sink capacity isn't wasted when you eject a clip that hasn't been fully expended.

Modifié par Dokteur Kill, 27 juillet 2012 - 05:15 .

[landylan]

RamPuppy wrote...

so - you do know clips don't hold ammo right? they are heat sinks. Your gun uses mass effect fields to shave ammo off from an internal supply & manufacture mechanism.

Your typhoon gets five clips and burns through them cause it's making big heavy bullets and firing them fast and hard - your avenger is making little light bullets and firing them not as fast - therefore - avenger is more heat efficient than the typhoon.

Lore restored - whew! close one!

Duh. If every gun uses the same thermal clips, why does the avanger get around ten while the typhoon only has five. Every gun would share thermal clips and have the same number of spare clips.

[Chealec]

Strict31 wrote...

GroverA125 wrote...

Not really, the sinks in the weapon are filled, you're not going to eject your clips from one weapon to throw into another weapon on the field, when bullets are flying. Much like how you wouldn't bother taking ammo out of one magazine and loading it into another. It's something you wouldn't do on the field. Spare clip number is dependant on the weapons, really, a Revenant may have more space for clips than a Javelin would. It's not to do with the actual clips, things generate more heat than others, but the actual number of clips is likely because of more thermal clip capacity (more space to house them in the weapon)

Granted, it'd be possible, but lorically it'd be bloody inconvenient. So no, it isn't breaking lore, so no protheans by default. Deal with it.

How is this not getting through?

You carry a number of spare thermal mags that haven't yet been loaded into any weapon. These spare unused clips technically and according to the lore are universal and can be used in any weapon. 

But, if you carry five spare mags for your assault rifle and six spare mags for your SMG, you are not considered to have eleven spare mags to freely load into either weapon. In other words, you cannot share spare, unused heat mags between your weapons.

Each weapon is made by Apple and therefore, whilst it is theoretically possible to jury rig any clip for use in any weapon, the manufacturer ensures there are tiny differences in the sockets for each one - and the EULA states that using third party adapters invalidates the warranty.

[landylan]

Jonty38 wrote...

What about if the Prothean race used asexual reproduction? Then all the offspring would be from Javik and you could play as an offspring in the MP.

Exactly. Prothean babies would be so OP.