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[ThaDPG]

Ah, so kind of like a core for the big reapers?

[1upD]

 The Catalyst originally existed on the Citadel, right? And we know the Citadel can be used as a Reaper incubator just like the Collector base? The way I interpretted it was The Catalyst invited both parties to the Citadel for a peace talk. That was it's original purpose, to negotiate peace between organics and synthetics. Once enough of the opposing synthetics and organics were gathered on the Citadel, it closed the arms and began the processes that created the first Reaper. Basically, the Citadel was a venus fly trap.

That was just the way I first thought of it. I'm probably completely wrong. In ME3 the Keepers are needed to manage the harvest aboard the Citadel, so it doesn't really make sense that the Citadel alone could complete a harvest. As other people have said, it's possible that the Catalyst took over the synthetics that its creators were fighting and used them to harvest said creators. More likely, Indoctrination began with the Catalyst and not with the Reapers. The Catalyst could have used indoctrination and "huskification" to capture its creators.

[Xellith]

Its possible that their first attempt at synthesis resulted in huskification.  I dunno.

Modifié par Xellith, 27 juillet 2012 - 03:32 .

[ZLurps]

Technically I think one possible scenario would be, that Reaper nanides (nano machines) were initially just nano machines used in construction of Catalyst and other AI's. Concerning how reaper nanides work, and what is their role in indoctrination, I think that nanides might be used as interface, specifically neural interface, to interact with VI's and perhaps AI's like Catalyst.

Since it would make sense that such link would work for both directions, system must have ability to deliver results of action to user, perhaps Catalyst was able to reprogram nanides, and via that indoctrinate it's creators.

Nanides being used as neural interface would IMO make sense. Even if I think something like Reaper Dragon tooth, techology that it's design is based might been just something that was small, like something to inject vaccin in humans, but instead it nano machines to interface with entertainment device and whoaa, perfect virtual reality.

EDIT: Nanides in the novel ME Retribution seems to take over host nervous system.

Modifié par ZLurps, 27 juillet 2012 - 03:58 .

[Wayning_Star]

ZLurps wrote...

Technically I think one possible scenario would be, that Reaper nanides (nano machines) were initially just nano machines used in construction of Catalyst and other AI's. Concerning how reaper nanides work, and what is their role in indoctrination, I think that nanides might be used as interface, specifically neural interface, to interact with VI's and perhaps AI's like Catalyst.

Since it would make sense that such link would work for both directions, system must have ability to deliver results of action to user, perhaps Catalyst was able to reprogram nanides, and via that indoctrinate it's creators.

Nanides being used as neural interface would IMO make sense. Even if I think something like Reaper Dragon tooth, techology that it's design is based might been just something that was small, like something to inject vaccin in humans, but instead it nano machines to interface with entertainment device and whoaa, perfect virtual reality.

EDIT: Nanides in the novel ME Retribution seems to take over host nervous system.

hmmm, I did some google'n bings and found http://www.roboticsb...rials-2020.html so it's not too surprising the advanced technology of the MEU/ mad reaper designers could come up with such a plot for self domination. Those dragon tooth gizmos weren't considered purely reapertech tho, it's unknown, according to wiki/codex, who actaually came up with those. I'm getting a bad,yet compelling idea of who the actual creators of the catalyst/reapers/citadel, but I'm not sure enough about it to say that they might show up some day in the MEU.

[Dark_Caduceus]

Probably something retarded. Just to keep consistent with the rest of the game.

[Wayning_Star]

1upD wrote...

 The Catalyst originally existed on the Citadel, right? And we know the Citadel can be used as a Reaper incubator just like the Collector base? The way I interpretted it was The Catalyst invited both parties to the Citadel for a peace talk. That was it's original purpose, to negotiate peace between organics and synthetics. Once enough of the opposing synthetics and organics were gathered on the Citadel, it closed the arms and began the processes that created the first Reaper. Basically, the Citadel was a venus fly trap.

That was just the way I first thought of it. I'm probably completely wrong. In ME3 the Keepers are needed to manage the harvest aboard the Citadel, so it doesn't really make sense that the Citadel alone could complete a harvest. As other people have said, it's possible that the Catalyst took over the synthetics that its creators were fighting and used them to harvest said creators. More likely, Indoctrination began with the Catalyst and not with the Reapers. The Catalyst could have used indoctrination and "huskification" to capture its creators.

Yeah, I got that impression too,what with the reapers/catalyst setting the citadel out there for other races to start thier squatting and handy techno upgrades, it's what led me to assume that the reapers were designed,then altered to harvest food crops,eventhough with universe filled with all kinds of resources. It seemed strange that they'd even need to snack on organics, as they're totally synthetic, other than the other stuff they could collect from organics that they're not capable of creating themselves. They seem obsessed with organic DNA and went as far as to attempt to build a 'copy' a human reaper/being. It seems to go back to synthesis, and an itch they cannot scratch. But, the predatory manner in which they harvest on the flimsy excuse of 'chaos', seem rudimentary, and that goes back to the catalyst 'harvesting' it's creators. This makes the idea possible that the original 'battle' between synthetics and organics is just that, catalyst vs. its organic creators = chaos.  So it could be just a coincidence that they are predating, that is, not meaning to, it's just the way it works out for everybody. It would seem that if the catalyst is so advanced, it would see the error in that logic, maybe it does, but doesn't have the program for it, so it just follows it's priority programming. All in all, I'd say that their original programmers/builders are a strange and disconnected race, solitary and not social at all, to come up with such a solution to organics vs synthetics. They may be organic, but think similar to insect structured social order. But it's impossible to know with no knowledge of their race, or even hints of their culture. But the reasons behind them falling victim to their own creation is another mystery, and I'm not convinced that they're all gone for good, too big, too advanced, and waaaaay too old to be suckerpunched by an AI. It's already been hinted at that a rogue reaper ship has come to be known somewhere in the MEU, maybe it's some left over/escaped creators, but probably just another rogue VI gone sentient?