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[nukembaby]

himegoto wrote...

Yuanrang wrote...
It is very easy, but rather depressing.

I started a bit before Earth (like 3 weeks before), and I more or less completely skipped Silver. I did a few random public silvers, but with a 50-50 win rate, I found Bronze to be better credits.

What I did was basically just get a Salarian Engineer, skip Silver, farm FBWGG ad nauseum and then just do gold instead while grooming out the manifest.

Yeah.. Looking at that makes me feel rather depressing.

As much as I like the game, I wouldn't recommand any of my friends as newcomers to the game.

I re-read your post and think I understand now. You feel the game is all about farming now and hence no longer fun for new players.

I disagree. You will always be able to find other random players out there who are doing it "right," progressing from bronze to silver to gold as their skills/knowledge/experience improve, without skipping levels by farming. Those who truly want to enjoy the game and get as much as they can out of it will naturally reject farming. The farmers are the ones who are already on the way out; they don't really play for the game, just to satisfy some OCD about getting all the weapons/characters.

[masoidthedroid]

Optimistman wrote...

IndigoVitare wrote...

Optimistman wrote...
Honestly I think the drastic nerfing of weapons

I must have missed it when they nerfed the Claymore, Talon, Carnifex, Black Widow, Valiant, Hurricane, Geth Plasma shotgun, Graal, Wraith, Piranha, Typhoon, Saber, Paladin, Viper, Phaeston, Revenent, Scorpion and any of the other common Gold weapons I've forgotton.

Oh, but what have they nerfed? Krysae, Reegar, Minor weight increase of Harrier, Falcon... er that's it (distance penetration on Typhoon does not count simply because 100cm was so mind-numbingly absurd in the first place. It's the same as the Javelin for goodness sake).

OH GOD THE DRASTIC NERFING OF WEAPONS HAS MADE THIS GAME IMPOSSIBLE!

Quarian Engineer is not a "gimped class", it's one of the best classes in the game post June 21.

Though you are right about broken Geth hackers and magnet hand sync kills.

You're completely missing the point and made quite a few bad points on your own part. Most of the weapons you named require sheer skill to even play with, especially the claymore, and when have you ever seen any of these gun used regularly? Exactly, your point is moot because no one is going to nerf weapons that are ineffective in the first place.

The point is by nerfing the few weapons that are actually effective against such high difficulty, such as the krysae, they are making even fewer people branch out from firebase white. It's stupid. The krysae is one of those pointless guns now. And i'm guessing you have forgotten the insane nerf against the falcon, a weapon that didn't even work fully in that matter.

And i don't know if you think getting top score with female quarian engineer in firebase white makes her viable or you are just incredibly naive. But the quarian engineer is still a terrible class to play with on gold and platinum. How many times have you honestly seen female quarian engineers on pugs? Rarely, because alot of other people share these same views.

I use the Claymore more than I drink water in the day... and I do agree that good guns that require skill aren't seen nearly as much. The quarian engineer isn't that great against all of the factions, very true. I don't have a problem with having certain characters being worse overall to others though, I don't see why every character should be carefully balanced when it is obvious that a skilled player can make use of any supposedly crappy character. Isn't it okay to have some high-risk, low-reward characters/guns just for fun? 

Edit: Bad grammar.

Modifié par masoidthedroid, 27 juillet 2012 - 08:04 .

[CmnDwnWrkn]

Yesterday I landed in a random U/U/G match with someone named "Optimistman" and we did quite well...

Modifié par CmnDwnWrkn, 27 juillet 2012 - 08:08 .

[Optimistman]

masoidthedroid wrote...

Optimistman wrote...

IndigoVitare wrote...

Optimistman wrote...
Honestly I think the drastic nerfing of weapons

I must have missed it when they nerfed the Claymore, Talon, Carnifex, Black Widow, Valiant, Hurricane, Geth Plasma shotgun, Graal, Wraith, Piranha, Typhoon, Saber, Paladin, Viper, Phaeston, Revenent, Scorpion and any of the other common Gold weapons I've forgotton.

Oh, but what have they nerfed? Krysae, Reegar, Minor weight increase of Harrier, Falcon... er that's it (distance penetration on Typhoon does not count simply because 100cm was so mind-numbingly absurd in the first place. It's the same as the Javelin for goodness sake).

OH GOD THE DRASTIC NERFING OF WEAPONS HAS MADE THIS GAME IMPOSSIBLE!

Quarian Engineer is not a "gimped class", it's one of the best classes in the game post June 21.

Though you are right about broken Geth hackers and magnet hand sync kills.

You're completely missing the point and made quite a few bad points on your own part. Most of the weapons you named require sheer skill to even play with, especially the claymore, and when have you ever seen any of these gun used regularly? Exactly, your point is moot because no one is going to nerf weapons that are ineffective in the first place.

The point is by nerfing the few weapons that are actually effective against such high difficulty, such as the krysae, they are making even fewer people branch out from firebase white. It's stupid. The krysae is one of those pointless guns now. And i'm guessing you have forgotten the insane nerf against the falcon, a weapon that didn't even work fully in that matter.

And i don't know if you think getting top score with female quarian engineer in firebase white makes her viable or you are just incredibly naive. But the quarian engineer is still a terrible class to play with on gold and platinum. How many times have you honestly seen female quarian engineers on pugs? Rarely, because alot of other people share these same views.

I use the Claymore more than I drink water in the day... and I do agree that good guns that require skill aren't seen nearly as much. The quarian engineer isn't that great against all of the factions, very true. I don't have a problem with having certain characters being worse overall to others though, I don't see why every character should be carefully balanced when it is obvious that a skilled player can make use of any supposedly crappy character. Isn't it okay to have some high-risk, low-reward characters/guns just for fun? 

Edit: Bad grammar.

I actually wouldn't mind the rebalancing of the quarian engineers, especially the females. People that like quarians (not me just saying for people that do) are gonna have a hard time trying to squeeze some damage and utility out of them.

[Optimistman]

CmnDwnWrkn wrote...

Yesterday I landed in a random U/U/G match with someone named "Optimistman" and we did quite well...

    Yes, yes we quite did.  Are you up for a game right now?

Modifié par Optimistman, 27 juillet 2012 - 08:10 .

[masoidthedroid]

Optimistman wrote...

masoidthedroid wrote...

Optimistman wrote...

IndigoVitare wrote...

Optimistman wrote...
Honestly I think the drastic nerfing of weapons

I must have missed it when they nerfed the Claymore, Talon, Carnifex, Black Widow, Valiant, Hurricane, Geth Plasma shotgun, Graal, Wraith, Piranha, Typhoon, Saber, Paladin, Viper, Phaeston, Revenent, Scorpion and any of the other common Gold weapons I've forgotton.

Oh, but what have they nerfed? Krysae, Reegar, Minor weight increase of Harrier, Falcon... er that's it (distance penetration on Typhoon does not count simply because 100cm was so mind-numbingly absurd in the first place. It's the same as the Javelin for goodness sake).

OH GOD THE DRASTIC NERFING OF WEAPONS HAS MADE THIS GAME IMPOSSIBLE!

Quarian Engineer is not a "gimped class", it's one of the best classes in the game post June 21.

Though you are right about broken Geth hackers and magnet hand sync kills.

You're completely missing the point and made quite a few bad points on your own part. Most of the weapons you named require sheer skill to even play with, especially the claymore, and when have you ever seen any of these gun used regularly? Exactly, your point is moot because no one is going to nerf weapons that are ineffective in the first place.

The point is by nerfing the few weapons that are actually effective against such high difficulty, such as the krysae, they are making even fewer people branch out from firebase white. It's stupid. The krysae is one of those pointless guns now. And i'm guessing you have forgotten the insane nerf against the falcon, a weapon that didn't even work fully in that matter.

And i don't know if you think getting top score with female quarian engineer in firebase white makes her viable or you are just incredibly naive. But the quarian engineer is still a terrible class to play with on gold and platinum. How many times have you honestly seen female quarian engineers on pugs? Rarely, because alot of other people share these same views.

I use the Claymore more than I drink water in the day... and I do agree that good guns that require skill aren't seen nearly as much. The quarian engineer isn't that great against all of the factions, very true. I don't have a problem with having certain characters being worse overall to others though, I don't see why every character should be carefully balanced when it is obvious that a skilled player can make use of any supposedly crappy character. Isn't it okay to have some high-risk, low-reward characters/guns just for fun? 

Edit: Bad grammar.

I actually wouldn't mind the rebalancing of the quarian engineers, especially the females. People that like quarians (not me just saying for people that do) are gonna have a hard time trying to squeeze some damage and utility out of them.

I hadn't thought of that- probably because I am more on the Geth's side when it comes to their war with the Quarians. Dang it, my racism has left me blinded!

[CmnDwnWrkn]

Optimistman wrote...

CmnDwnWrkn wrote...

Yesterday I landed in a random U/U/G match with someone named "Optimistman" and we did quite well...

    Yes, yes we quite did.  Are you up for a game right now?

I'm not at home right now, but I'll be on in a few hours & ready to play...

[Optimistman]

CmnDwnWrkn wrote...

Optimistman wrote...

CmnDwnWrkn wrote...

Yesterday I landed in a random U/U/G match with someone named "Optimistman" and we did quite well...

    Yes, yes we quite did.  Are you up for a game right now?

I'm not at home right now, but I'll be on in a few hours & ready to play...

kk

[Optimistman]

masoidthedroid wrote...

Optimistman wrote...

masoidthedroid wrote...

Optimistman wrote...

IndigoVitare wrote...

Optimistman wrote...
Honestly I think the drastic nerfing of weapons

I must have missed it when they nerfed the Claymore, Talon, Carnifex, Black Widow, Valiant, Hurricane, Geth Plasma shotgun, Graal, Wraith, Piranha, Typhoon, Saber, Paladin, Viper, Phaeston, Revenent, Scorpion and any of the other common Gold weapons I've forgotton.

Oh, but what have they nerfed? Krysae, Reegar, Minor weight increase of Harrier, Falcon... er that's it (distance penetration on Typhoon does not count simply because 100cm was so mind-numbingly absurd in the first place. It's the same as the Javelin for goodness sake).

OH GOD THE DRASTIC NERFING OF WEAPONS HAS MADE THIS GAME IMPOSSIBLE!

Quarian Engineer is not a "gimped class", it's one of the best classes in the game post June 21.

Though you are right about broken Geth hackers and magnet hand sync kills.

You're completely missing the point and made quite a few bad points on your own part. Most of the weapons you named require sheer skill to even play with, especially the claymore, and when have you ever seen any of these gun used regularly? Exactly, your point is moot because no one is going to nerf weapons that are ineffective in the first place.

The point is by nerfing the few weapons that are actually effective against such high difficulty, such as the krysae, they are making even fewer people branch out from firebase white. It's stupid. The krysae is one of those pointless guns now. And i'm guessing you have forgotten the insane nerf against the falcon, a weapon that didn't even work fully in that matter.

And i don't know if you think getting top score with female quarian engineer in firebase white makes her viable or you are just incredibly naive. But the quarian engineer is still a terrible class to play with on gold and platinum. How many times have you honestly seen female quarian engineers on pugs? Rarely, because alot of other people share these same views.

I use the Claymore more than I drink water in the day... and I do agree that good guns that require skill aren't seen nearly as much. The quarian engineer isn't that great against all of the factions, very true. I don't have a problem with having certain characters being worse overall to others though, I don't see why every character should be carefully balanced when it is obvious that a skilled player can make use of any supposedly crappy character. Isn't it okay to have some high-risk, low-reward characters/guns just for fun? 

Edit: Bad grammar.

I actually wouldn't mind the rebalancing of the quarian engineers, especially the females. People that like quarians (not me just saying for people that do) are gonna have a hard time trying to squeeze some damage and utility out of them.

I hadn't thought of that- probably because I am more on the Geth's side when it comes to their war with the Quarians. Dang it, my racism has left me blinded!

Lol.

[JaimasOfRaxis]

Thank you, OP, for making my post seem prophetic. I second your opine, and give it a +1 fist bump.

[Arppis]

SoulRebel_1979 wrote...

Chealec wrote...

The game has not got harder since launch - if anything it's got easier. 

I agree 100%. With the addition of new powerful weapons and classes,  rank IV ammo types, and a whole new slot for gear, the game is easier than it's ever been.

I've yet to see Ammo Powers that are level 4.

[Impulse and Compulse]

FINALLY

Somebody who understands that just because Stardusk posted a video of a setup calling it "overpowered" and "taking no skill" doesn't mean that the vast majority of people are getting the same results. Just because some guys who have an N7 level above 1000 beat Gold using a certain setup doesn't mean it's legitimately good.

Some of us want to have fun. Yes, a challenge is nice, but when Bioware dangles hundreds of unlocks in front of our face and try to redirect us to a real-money store system that doesn't actually do anything to help your chances, why does it surprise people that we want to play the game in a way that makes it easier to unlock stuff?

[SoulRebel_1979]

Arppis wrote...

SoulRebel_1979 wrote...

Chealec wrote...

The game has not got harder since launch - if anything it's got easier. 

I agree 100%. With the addition of new powerful weapons and classes,  rank IV ammo types, and a whole new slot for gear, the game is easier than it's ever been.

I've yet to see Ammo Powers that are level 4.

Really? You haven't gotten a single one? 

[ChemicalGenocide]

The game has become tedious with cheap tactics and AI buffs. One could ascertain Bioware is attempting to make the game cheap or frustrating so farming for credits is lessened to increase the purchase of packs with money or microsoft points. Several people are getting frustrated and bored with the game and quitting to play because of the issues with the game play. That bodes really bad for those of us that enjoy playing this because without the average gamer enjoying and investing time and money into this multiplayer it will have to shutdown sooner rather then later.

I really don't see the need for all weapons to have a set balance, maybe within their own respective levels (common, uncommon, rare, ultra rare). But there is a hierarchy of weapons and a common should not be as viable to play with most of the rares, doesn't make sense to grind for credits to randomly get a weapon of higher value that is worse to play with then a much more common, cheaper weapon.

[TehMerc]

nukembaby wrote...

Optimistman wrote...

[Anymore posts from you to me from here on will be ignored and possibly reported.

Please don't tell me you're trying to silence others who have different opinions than you. E-thuggery at its best...and lamest.

This guy's a better troll than most.

"I have a valid opposing opinion"   "nuh uh, you're a kid and should go to sleepz nao elitist scum!"

I don't think anyone that actually has a say in what goes down in changing MP will listen to a person like that.

People are entitled to sticking their fingers in their ears though I guess.

[Maria Caliban]

perera74 wrote...

I can't help but feel it's in relation to our 'failure' at the last player weekend.

That failure is due to the large decline in people playing MP. If BioWare's reaction to that is to make the MP harder, I think it's a poor strategy on their part.

[usctrojanbulldog]

OP - you my friend, have hit the nail on the head.

Unfortunatetly, there will be an army of VG jocks calling for a nerf regarding your thread.

[TehMerc]

Maria Caliban wrote...
That failure is due to the large decline in people playing MP. If BioWare's reaction to that is to make the MP harder, I think it's a poor strategy on their part.

Wasn't there a miscommunication on the fact that you needed a full extraction on gold rather than just 1 member?

And the operation time being less than usual.

And people just plain not liking reapers. (grabby hand ladies, can't blame em)

[Optimistman]

TehMerc wrote...

nukembaby wrote...

Optimistman wrote...

[Anymore posts from you to me from here on will be ignored and possibly reported.

Please don't tell me you're trying to silence others who have different opinions than you. E-thuggery at its best...and lamest.

This guy's a better troll than most.

"I have a valid opposing opinion"   "nuh uh, you're a kid and should go to sleepz nao elitist scum!"

I don't think anyone that actually has a say in what goes down in changing MP will listen to a person like that.

People are entitled to sticking their fingers in their ears though I guess.

People are also entitled to their idiotic opinions. 

I couldn't care less whether bioware read this or took it into consideration or not. It's not for them, i'm stating an opinion. And of course like any child, you didn't read the flame the other child posted before making your post now did you? Oh, I forgot, these are idiots that I am dealing with. I honestly don't even know why i still respond to your types, i could literally ignore you and let your post die like any trash should. I guess i like debating?

[TehMerc]

Optimistman wrote...
I guess i like debating?

You like trolling, at least come out and be honest with it.

And not responding doesn't make it any less true. Have a nice day PessimistMan.

[rockthatwood]

Optimistman wrote...

TehMerc wrote...

nukembaby wrote...

Optimistman wrote...

[Anymore posts from you to me from here on will be ignored and possibly reported.

Please don't tell me you're trying to silence others who have different opinions than you. E-thuggery at its best...and lamest.

This guy's a better troll than most.

"I have a valid opposing opinion"   "nuh uh, you're a kid and should go to sleepz nao elitist scum!"

I don't think anyone that actually has a say in what goes down in changing MP will listen to a person like that.

People are entitled to sticking their fingers in their ears though I guess.

People are also entitled to their idiotic opinions. 

I couldn't care less whether bioware read this or took it into consideration or not. It's not for them, i'm stating an opinion. And of course like any child, you didn't read the flame the other child posted before making your post now did you? Oh, I forgot, these are idiots that I am dealing with. I honestly don't even know why i still respond to your types, i could literally ignore you and let your post die like any trash should. I guess i like debating?

OP, don't get me wrong, I completely agree with your entire statement. But you need to tone it down with the insults to other people who oppose your statement. Just let them disagree, stick to what you are saying and just ignore them if need be. People will respect you on these forums more.

[Optimistman]

TehMerc wrote...

Optimistman wrote...
I guess i like debating?

You like trolling, at least come out and be honest with it.

And not responding doesn't make it any less true. Have a nice day PessimistMan.

Thanks kid. Same to you.  I'll do myself a favor and take my own advice from now on.

P.S. Thank you Optimistman for the advice. 

[Maria Caliban]

TehMerc wrote...

Maria Caliban wrote...
That failure is due to the large decline in people playing MP. If BioWare's reaction to that is to make the MP harder, I think it's a poor strategy on their part.

Wasn't there a miscommunication on the fact that you needed a full extraction on gold rather than just 1 member?

Indeed, but it seems that we have miscommunications on a semi-frequent basis.

And the operation time being less than usual.

And people just plain not liking reapers. (grabby hand ladies, can't blame em)

All of these are likely a factor but we've had less time than usual and vs reapers previously and have succeeded.

In the beginning, the community frequently beat goals easily and by overwhelming numbers. As time has gone by, the number of people playing has decreased and we've been losing more and more.

[Optimistman]

rockthatwood wrote...

Optimistman wrote...

TehMerc wrote...

nukembaby wrote...

Optimistman wrote...

[Anymore posts from you to me from here on will be ignored and possibly reported.

Please don't tell me you're trying to silence others who have different opinions than you. E-thuggery at its best...and lamest.

This guy's a better troll than most.

"I have a valid opposing opinion"   "nuh uh, you're a kid and should go to sleepz nao elitist scum!"

I don't think anyone that actually has a say in what goes down in changing MP will listen to a person like that.

People are entitled to sticking their fingers in their ears though I guess.

People are also entitled to their idiotic opinions. 

I couldn't care less whether bioware read this or took it into consideration or not. It's not for them, i'm stating an opinion. And of course like any child, you didn't read the flame the other child posted before making your post now did you? Oh, I forgot, these are idiots that I am dealing with. I honestly don't even know why i still respond to your types, i could literally ignore you and let your post die like any trash should. I guess i like debating?

OP, don't get me wrong, I completely agree with your entire statement. But you need to tone it down with the insults to other people who oppose your statement. Just let them disagree, stick to what you are saying and just ignore them if need be. People will respect you on these forums more.

I don't care for respect. Especially from people i absolutely do not know. Some people just need to be insulted and I don't mind being banned. I've been banned for like 8 days altogether just for getting bored and saying stupid crap. Who am i mostly talking to on this forum anyways? Not people that have anything near logical opinions (most of them don't, honestly). People that read my posts will get what they can from it, they don't need to revere me because i'm no desperate nerd seeking respect or validation to know i'm doing things right. 
 
But nonetheless, thanks for the advice.

[ThirdChild ZKI]

For those who made the claim that those can't hack Gold don't belong on Gold, tell me why is it I could beat Gold before with a Mantis X/Mattock X loadout, using the pre-buff Quarian Engineer with a decent degree of both difficulty and ease (depending on my team), yet now fight uphill all the way with the new QE, using a Saber/Paladin and Valiant/Widow/BW?

Things have changed, and not in a very practical manner.