Holy-Hamster wrote...
And that was my point, you shouldn't be able to put that much accuracy on a shotgun and turn it into a sniper rifle that does massive amounts of damage
Rifneno wrote...
I don't know whether it's funny or sad that you actually think you know what's better for the game.
Holy-Hamster wrote...
You can't even go a post without calling someone a nerfer lol
You sound very unbiast to me......hmmm
Anytime someone suggests a change you jump on them "OMG NERFER NERFER GET THE PITCHFORK AND TORCHES"
Holy-Hamster wrote...
Claymore also 1 shots most things, does insane damage, isn't that low on ammo
classes you're going to use it on don't really care that much about weight
So what are the drawbacks again? It's basically a shotgun you can snipe with when using the accuracy mod
And that was my point, you shouldn't be able to put that much accuracy on a shotgun and turn it into a sniper rifle that does massive amounts of damage
Modifié par Kronner, 27 juillet 2012 - 11:06 .
Kronner wrote...
Holy-Hamster wrote...
Claymore also 1 shots most things, does insane damage, isn't that low on ammo
classes you're going to use it on don't really care that much about weight
So what are the drawbacks again? It's basically a shotgun you can snipe with when using the accuracy mod
And that was my point, you shouldn't be able to put that much accuracy on a shotgun and turn it into a sniper rifle that does massive amounts of damage
Without Reload Canceling, you can fire the Claymore every 3.5s. Three and a half seconds. Get that through your head.
With Reload Canceling, you can fire every 2s, which is kinda decent, but still a huge drawback since a miss or a screwed up reload cancel means that you will not be doing any damage for up to 4s.
And no, you can't snipe with any shotgun save for Crusader, scoped Talon coupled with Marksman and maybe the GPS.
Other shotguns including the Claymore have decent range, but they are not even close to Sniper Rifle range.
Holy-Hamster wrote...
Claymore also 1 shots most things, does insane damage, isn't that low on ammo
classes you're going to use it on don't really care that much about weight
So what are the drawbacks again? It's basically a shotgun you can snipe with when using the accuracy mod
And that was my point, you shouldn't be able to put that much accuracy on a shotgun and turn it into a sniper rifle that does massive amounts of damage
Thats absolutely true, as long as you don't sit in the hack circle, don't escort the VI, don't guard/be the pizza boy, don't (de)activate objectives, and don't try to revive fallen teammates in any area where enemies have a line of sight on.Kalas321 wrote...
Woah, hold it there. I never said he wasnt. He is the definition of a glass cannon. He has absurd damage output but he is the one that will down if someone looks at him funny. He should have brought something other than a trenchcoat.ShadedPhoenix wrote...
@kalas, the drell adept also is a goddamn moab that nukes entire rooms on a whim
The GI is not a glass cannon. Spec him for 4/5/6/6/5. He'll outlast anything else on the field.
Kronner wrote...
Without Reload Canceling, you can fire the Claymore every 3.5s. Three and a half seconds. Get that through your head.
With Reload Canceling, you can fire every 2s, which is kinda decent, but it is still a huge drawback since a miss or a screwed up reload cancel means that you will not be doing any damage for up to 4s AND you must fire exactly when you hear the click otherwise Reload Cancel will not work.
And no, you can't snipe with any shotgun save for Crusader, scoped Talon coupled with Marksman and maybe the GPS.
Other shotguns including the Claymore have decent range, but they are not even close to Sniper Rifle range.
Rifneno wrote...
Kronner wrote...
Without Reload Canceling, you can fire the Claymore every 3.5s. Three and a half seconds. Get that through your head.
With Reload Canceling, you can fire every 2s, which is kinda decent, but it is still a huge drawback since a miss or a screwed up reload cancel means that you will not be doing any damage for up to 4s AND you must fire exactly when you hear the click otherwise Reload Cancel will not work.
And no, you can't snipe with any shotgun save for Crusader, scoped Talon coupled with Marksman and maybe the GPS.
Other shotguns including the Claymore have decent range, but they are not even close to Sniper Rifle range.
Every few seconds? Why that sounds like caster classes! Boy are those classes in for a rude awakening when the call of duty kiddies like hamster there realize there's ways to do damage besides guns.
Most people are not that great. They'll make any class look bad. It doesnt mean it isnt overpowered. Since you are on pc you may have to play with people like topographer to see someone rival you.ShadedPhoenix wrote...
@kalas
Aka the build i use with revenant for which i still have not seen any class or player even being remotely equal?
Still the gi is fine where it is, a run of the mill scrub will not even be remotely capable to use its true potential (some truly believe the typhoon works on him*haha primitives*)
Holy-Hamster wrote...
Really? Duty kiddie? You can do better than that. Cmon, I want something like bottom of the barrel, scum sucking, can't aim, worthless loser, who lives in a cardboard box, eats too many twinkies, and couldn't play a FPS game with cheats installed or something......
Rifneno wrote...
Every few seconds? Why that sounds like caster classes! Boy are those classes in for a rude awakening when the call of duty kiddies like hamster there realize there's ways to do damage besides guns.
Holy-Hamster wrote...
You can snipe just fine with a claymore, if you can't, well you need to practice more headshots. Maybe not across an entire map, but it's pretty damn close and for most maps it's you don't need sniper range.
Holy-Hamster wrote...
I will agree that if you miss with the claymore it's quite a big drawback. However, with the accuracy choke it's pretty damn hard to miss. Which gets rid of the drawback for all the weapon's perks...which is again my point.
Holy-Hamster wrote...
But no one cares about using logic, just seeing their precious weapon being discussed about possible being changed suddenly gets all their panties in a bunch.
LOL. You cant say a class is bad because it is being controlled by a bad player.Conduit0 wrote...
Thats absolutely true, as long as you don't sit in the hack circle, don't escort the VI, don't guard/be the pizza boy, don't (de)activate objectives, and don't try to revive fallen teammates in any area where enemies have a line of sight on.Kalas321 wrote...
Woah, hold it there. I never said he wasnt. He is the definition of a glass cannon. He has absurd damage output but he is the one that will down if someone looks at him funny. He should have brought something other than a trenchcoat.ShadedPhoenix wrote...
@kalas, the drell adept also is a goddamn moab that nukes entire rooms on a whim
The GI is not a glass cannon. Spec him for 4/5/6/6/5. He'll outlast anything else on the field.
Basicly the GI has the highest survivability as long as all you do is kill enemies while ignoring your team... kinda like the guy in video.
Cohen le Barbare wrote...
You might have rocked the game point-wise, but as far as team play goes, you definitely could learn a thing or two. Wave 3, escort mission, you don't even bother to go to the drone. Also you see the guy down next to the high ladder, you don't bother reviving, you go for the kill upstairs. The escort starts again, another teammate goes down, you go for the kill when you could have assisted the team. If this build has so many DPS, you can easily keep mobs/bosses at bay and stay in the circle.
Yeah, well that is balance. Insane firepower but lack of clips keeps it from being overpowered.ShadedPhoenix wrote...
Rosy has a awesome sound and synergizes perfectly with accuracy/rof boosting classes
I have the harrier on shadow, hi, and recently i tried it on justicar, drawback, i need to run to an ammo box to kill an atlas i just mow down with my revenant builds
The typhoon is another of those that could be the worst and id still use it because its a goddamn lmg
Kronner wrote...
I agree that most maps do not require sniper rifle range. That is not problem of shotguns or pistols, that is a design problem. BioWare obviously can't make big maps thanks to wonderful xbox and ps3 consoles. Yay.
Holy-Hamster wrote...
slow rate of fire means nothing when you 1 shot pretty much everything
reload isn't -that- long
if you miss with accuracy choke on a claymore, then you're either at a really long range, or you're just not very good, so rarely does your dps ever sink
It's not a good weapon for casters sure, but put it on a human soldier, krogan vanguard, infiltrators are you now eliminate all drawbacks and are unstoppable
Regardless that I think the claymore is still slightly OP I'm okay with it the way it is now, I still think shotguns should not be effective unless you're close range
The pirahna however could use a nerf
And when someone turns an argument into personal attacks I know they obviously don't care about making an argument, they just don't like to see that someone has a different opinion
But it's amusing, so keep calling me all the names you want
Conduit0 wrote...
That guys score is a total farce. I didn't watch the whole thing, but I watched enough to notice that he never bothers to revive teammates, and never helps with objectives. He simply runs around the map kill whoring while each objective wave is stretched out to its limit. Either he had a terrible team who couldn't even manage to complete objectives with him constantly clearing the map, or the entire video was staged to make the Piranha look more powerful than it really is.AdrunkGirlScout wrote...
Never seen Brutes die that fast even on Bronze. This is just amazing and the sad thing is, it will most likely get nerfed even though all the gear was earned and he just put the pieces together. That build is nothing short of God mode and I believed he earned it.
Thoughts?
Also, I apologize if this has been posted/mentioned already. Curious for some discussion.
I love the (il)logic of the people wanting the Piranha nerfed, one class does exceptionally well with a gun that everyone else does average with, so it must be nerfed into oblivion.
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