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[CronoDragoon]

I'm a bit confused on Part 3. The initial question is about the ending with/without EC, but then the options seem to refer to ME3 as a whole.

[giftfish]

I'm really glad to see this survey, as you guys did a great job with the previous survey.

I do have a thought/suggestion, however, though it is likely too late to implement it at this point.  I apologize if this has been suggested already, as I didn't see a comment about it in the first post, and I did not take time to read through all the separate comments.

I think it would be valuable to gather some information on people who have so far elected not to play the EC, as well.  Much of the information on the first page of the survey can be answered whether or not one has played the EC.  All that is needed is a simple yes/no to the question of "Have you played the ME3 EC?".  Then a follow up of "If you have not played the EC, why haven't you?".  A few answer choices could be given, with an "Other" option at the end that could be filled in by the player.

If the purpose of the survey is to gauge reaction to the quality of the EC, without the above you are missing the opinions of the players who are most critical of the EC  in the first place -- the players who are electing not to play it, period.

Just a thought.

[ofish]

CronoDragoon wrote...

I'm a bit confused on Part 3. The initial question is about the ending with/without EC, but then the options seem to refer to ME3 as a whole.

 

this question?

 What do you think of the ME3 ending, with and without the EC? Please rate the following on a scale of 1-10. (1=Worst, 10=Best) 
-score for the extended cut dlc
-score for me3 without the extended cut
-score for me3 with the extended cut


Its asking you to give the game as a whole a rating as it was originally released(without), the game as a whole with the extended cut(with), and a rating for the extended cut itself.  Hope this helps

[ofish]

giftfish wrote...

I'm really glad to see this survey, as you guys did a great job with the previous survey.

I do have a thought/suggestion, however, though it is likely too late to implement it at this point.  I apologize if this has been suggested already, as I didn't see a comment about it in the first post, and I did not take time to read through all the separate comments.

I think it would be valuable to gather some information on people who have so far elected not to play the EC, as well.  Much of the information on the first page of the survey can be answered whether or not one has played the EC.  All that is needed is a simple yes/no to the question of "Have you played the ME3 EC?".  Then a follow up of "If you have not played the EC, why haven't you?".  A few answer choices could be given, with an "Other" option at the end that could be filled in by the player.

If the purpose of the survey is to gauge reaction to the quality of the EC, without the above you are missing the opinions of the players who are most critical of the EC  in the first place -- the players who are electing not to play it, period.

Just a thought.

As you said, at this point its so much beyond the initial scope of the survey its not possible to implement.  I'm curious as to what reasons you would list as choices for the question?  Finally, (and please don't take this as condescending), but how can you gauge the quality of the EC if you haven't played it? If its by watching the cut scenes yourself, I guess you could argue that since there isn't anything but additional cut scenes, that you have played the EC.

[CronoDragoon]

ofish wrote...

CronoDragoon wrote...

I'm a bit confused on Part 3. The initial question is about the ending with/without EC, but then the options seem to refer to ME3 as a whole.

 

this question?

 What do you think of the ME3 ending, with and without the EC? Please rate the following on a scale of 1-10. (1=Worst, 10=Best) 
-score for the extended cut dlc
-score for me3 without the extended cut
-score for me3 with the extended cut


Its asking you to give the game as a whole a rating as it was originally released(without), the game as a whole with the extended cut(with), and a rating for the extended cut itself.  Hope this helps

That clears it up, thanks.

[ofish]

ragecage559 wrote...

Done. I'm confused though on one of the questions. The one where it asks if I feel satisfied with how we say goodbye to our crew.

It would be a 1 if you apply it to the endings, but if you apply it at London before the Horde, then it would be a lot better than that. Not sure so I voted 5.

This question?

You are satisfied with how you were able to say goodbye to your companions (rate for the 'Original Ending' and 'Ending WITH the EC')

-Strongly Disagree-Disagree-Neutral-Agree-Strongly Agree

Its asking at the end of the game (original release and extended cut) to read the statement and state whether or not you agree or disagree with it.  Hope this helps.(hope I have the right question) lol

Modifié par ofish, 30 juillet 2012 - 08:10 .

[giftfish]

ofish wrote...

giftfish wrote...

I'm really glad to see this survey, as you guys did a great job with the previous survey.

I do have a thought/suggestion, however, though it is likely too late to implement it at this point.  I apologize if this has been suggested already, as I didn't see a comment about it in the first post, and I did not take time to read through all the separate comments.

I think it would be valuable to gather some information on people who have so far elected not to play the EC, as well.  Much of the information on the first page of the survey can be answered whether or not one has played the EC.  All that is needed is a simple yes/no to the question of "Have you played the ME3 EC?".  Then a follow up of "If you have not played the EC, why haven't you?".  A few answer choices could be given, with an "Other" option at the end that could be filled in by the player.

If the purpose of the survey is to gauge reaction to the quality of the EC, without the above you are missing the opinions of the players who are most critical of the EC  in the first place -- the players who are electing not to play it, period.

Just a thought.

As you said, at this point its so much beyond the initial scope of the survey its not possible to implement.  I'm curious as to what reasons you would list as choices for the question?  Finally, (and please don't take this as condescending), but how can you gauge the quality of the EC if you haven't played it? If its by watching the cut scenes yourself, I guess you could argue that since there isn't anything but additional cut scenes, that you have played the EC.

Hey there--

Nope, not insulted at all :] 

I'm not suggesting that players who haven't played the EC, answer the detailed questions in the survey about it.  What I am suggesting is that one of the most basic questions in the survey first should have been:  have you played the EC or not?  Then, if not -- why not?

For options as to why a player hasn't played it, let's see if I  can come up with some off the top of my head....

A. No additional playable content added
B. Not different enough from the previous endings
C. Still doesn't provide a "happy"ending
D. Does not fix many other issues with game (plot holes, poor handling of LIs, etc)
E. All of the above
F. Didn't like the game the first time around
G.  Don't want to
H. Don't have time
I.   I'm done with Bioware
J.   Returned the game
K. Other (player specifies)

Replies A-D can easily be verified through the quick YouTube video, or even conversations on BSN.  You could even set this up as a multi-part question where players score 1-10 for each one, so they can have multiple answers.

My point was that much of the data that is being collected in at least the first 3 parts of the survey (as far as I got) pertains to pre-EC.  It would be really useful to show BW what type of player has chosen to NOT play the EC, and just as importantly, WHY they have elected not to.  But, the only way to do this is to first identify whether the player played the EC, and then go from there.  In addition, for all of the questions that would related directly to the EC, there would need to be the option added:  "DId not play the EC".

You've got some really good questions in the survey that try to tease out what different players want in a game, and more specifically, what they liked and disliked about ME3, both pre and post EC.  But, the survey isn't just about the EC; it's about the EC *in comparison* to the vanilla ending.  And, there are probably quite a few people out there that played the vanilla ending, and elected not to play the EC, because they were so displeased.  Allowing them to be able to respond helps get to what exactly they were most displeased about.  Unfortunately, this part of the player base, who are the biggest critics of both the vanilla and EC, won't be able to respond, as the survey is not set up for them to be able to answer appropriately.  This could skew the results, imo.

Anyway, just some thoughts on my end.

Modifié par giftfish, 30 juillet 2012 - 09:14 .

[MikeC99]

Many thanks all - over 3900 responses! Excellent work folks! I won't go back over issues ofish has addressed, except to say that the wording of some of the questions was definitely a challenge. All feedback much appreciated.
cheers

[MikeC99]

Giftfish - my last reply crossed with your last post.

Good point re the 'didn't play EC' option with follow up. The reason why we didn't include something like you've suggested is ... we didn't think of it! LOL! We were also conscious of wanting specifically to follow up on the previous surveys and of trying to minimise the size of the survey - yes, probably hard to see that we were actually trying to do that, given the length of it in the end! ; ) Probably best we can do at this stage is acknowledge this point in the report. Of course, you can always run your own survey ... I'm sure ofish would love to spend more time creating surveys! ... ... ("That's a jo..." "Yes, I know")

Much appreciate the feedback.
cheers

[KBronx17]

Anyone else choose all "strongly disagree" for the Catalyst? haha

[giftfish]

@MikeC99 -- Thanks for the reply

[MikeC99]

Now over 4000 responses! Great work - please keep spreading the word! Kudos to all!
cheers
MikeC

[MikeC99]

Quick bump for those south of the 'border' (ie equator!) and the night owls north of it.
cheers

[MikeC99]

One more bump. Closing in on 5000 responses!
cheers
MikeC

[WindfishDude]

Damn, 5 K

Good job, everybody!

Imma go bump my thread linking to this thread on that other side to celebrate.

[hanshotfirs]

done, and thanks!

[MikeC99]

Thanks all - stay with it - and keep networking to get the survey out and about.
cheers
MikeC

[MikeC99]

Customary bump.
cheers

[MikeC99]

Last bump from me for tonight. Many thanks to all who've completed it; and keep the word out there.
cheers
MikeC

[N7_Prothean95]

Bump~

[TheRealJayDee]

Done. Nice survey, much appreciated!

[Blueprotoss]

LanceSolous13 wrote...

In your list of LIs, you left out Thane Krios...

He isn't a LI in ME3 just like some of the other ME2 characters.

maaaze wrote...

submitted...and reported my satisfaction.

the problem with these surveys is only that they represent only those who are part of the discussion right now.

people who liked the EC would say that those who liked it are not visiting because of the bullying negativity on these boards.

people who don´t like the EC say that many already left the board because of their frustration with bioware.

I say the people who are most likely to participate are the ones who are disappointed...
disappointment is feeling that needs release...enjoyment is not.

so i don´t think surveys on these boards can really show a representative opinion of the entire Mass Effect player base.

This is very true just like the polls. 

elitehunter34 wrote...

I can see your point, but this poll is outside the forums, though.  Anyone can access it.  It just needs more attention on other sites.  Personally I think if this poll could be something you could access in the game as well as on the internet, it would be great.  It would get the most representative sample.

Actually this is on the form, which makes it inside the forums.  Btw everyone can't access based on the bullying or the lack of Internet/PC access.  Either way the Internet isn't reliable on constructive feedback solely based on anonymity. 

Wu the Lotus Blossom wrote...

Then why are you posting on the thread if it annoys you so much? Is someone holding a gun to your head? There are plenty of subjects to choose from on the forum, some of them may even interest you. 

Yet most of these surveies are created by people that think there's a gun to their head, which this has a very small vibe of that. 

Modifié par Blueprotoss, 31 juillet 2012 - 05:52 .

[Blueprotoss]

Binary_Helix 1 wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

it is sad that the fanbase is this dedicated .....and the developers are not

Yeah it's like when you leave that girl a message several times. After a while it might be time to take a hint.

The Developers are listening whiel they don't need to change anything if they don't want to just like that girl isn't interested.

giftfish wrote...

I'm really glad to see this survey, as you guys did a great job with the previous survey.

I do have a thought/suggestion, however, though it is likely too late to implement it at this point.  I apologize if this has been suggested already, as I didn't see a comment about it in the first post, and I did not take time to read through all the separate comments.

I think it would be valuable to gather some information on people who have so far elected not to play the EC, as well.  Much of the information on the first page of the survey can be answered whether or not one has played the EC.  All that is needed is a simple yes/no to the question of "Have you played the ME3 EC?".  Then a follow up of "If you have not played the EC, why haven't you?".  A few answer choices could be given, with an "Other" option at the end that could be filled in by the player.

If the purpose of the survey is to gauge reaction to the quality of the EC, without the above you are missing the opinions of the players who are most critical of the EC  in the first place -- the players who are electing not to play it, period.

Just a thought.

This is very true while I wonder how many people watched it on Youtube. 

Modifié par Blueprotoss, 31 juillet 2012 - 06:04 .

[Marauder Shieldz]

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

Done.

Basically it went like this,

Pre-EC- Strongly disagree
With EC-disagree, barely makes it out strongly disagree.

Again, a turd polished.

[Blueprotoss]

Marauder Shieldz wrote...

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

Done.

Basically it went like this,

Pre-EC- Strongly disagree
With EC-disagree, barely makes it out strongly disagree.

Again, a turd polished.

This is an example of useless feedback aka deconstructive feedback.