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[AClockworkMelon]

Stay on target. Stay on target.

[Tarreth]

AClockworkMelon wrote...

Stay on target. Stay on target.

But staying off target is so much more fun...

Nevertheless, I still maintain that technically it realllly doesn't borrow much from NWN as a series. It definitely has its distinct mechanics which, while drawing on both BG and NWN, is its own thing.
Spiritually it definitely seems to be the consensus it's BG's descendant.

[AClockworkMelon]

You killed the chain of Star Wars quotes. I h8 u.

[Tarreth]

Allow me to help by starting anew...with Monkey Island.



Well gee, I feel a little guilty now...

[Rivie]

I submit my vote: Spiritual successor of BG, Technical successor of NWN.

Just want you to know, I don't do this with everyone. It's only because I feel that special student/mentor/pieces-of-eight bonding that I'm going to these lengths.

[Ashbery]

It is a party based tactical RPG like BG2,but in 3d

[H8Cr1me]

um.....yeah

[Arcite550]

Woah hey now I never really got to play BG2 I was just stating that the game seemed alot more like NWN and thanks to those who specified what I meant was technical... as far as story, well we know next to jack about that

[Kortr]

In my opinion the BG series seemed a bit more personal story-wise. DA takes the save the world from baddies approach, while in BG you were mostly saving yourself.

[Tarreth]

In fairness, the original Baldur's Gate was very much like that, BG II was also quite personal until it hit you that Irenicus was trying to become a god.
ToB was very much a "save the world" style plot, even if you had certain personal motivations.
Considering we get entire origins to develop our backstory and character though, I'm not sure how you can't call it personally motivated, not to mention the character camaraderie.

Modifié par Tarreth, 15 octobre 2009 - 10:03 .

[Syrellaris]

I think the story and the grim settings are more like BG, but most of the games technical aspects to be from NwN. Either way, its a great game and succeeded on many things when it comes to being a predecessor.

[brusin]

Looks like a NWN 2 successor, duh.

[Mordaedil]

brusin wrote...

Looks like a NWN 2 successor, duh.

It's not.

[brusin]

Mordaedil wrote...

brusin wrote...

Looks like a NWN 2 successor, duh.

It's not.

You are allowed to have personal opinion as well, I'm ok with that.

[Kategorize]

Tarreth wrote...


Also Leliana is blatantly Imoen reborn in FranceOrlais. (Bonjour, je suis moi, Leliana) - pardon my terrible French. The hair, people, look at the hair.

You, good sir, just ruined my day Here I was enjoying a perfectly fine Thursday, and then you bring that shedevil back!

[Fulgrim88]

Tarreth wrote...

Also Leliana is blatantly Imoen reborn in FranceOrlais. (Bonjour, je suis moi, Leliana) - pardon my terrible French. The hair, people, look at the hair.

So that's why she annoys me so much...thanks for pointing that out, i couldn't put my finger on it.

@Topic: Hard to say. Being 3D alone gives it more resemblance to NWN than to BG. However, when it comes to storytelling it looks like we're aiming for epic again, where NWN was - comparably - simple. What makes it a spiritual successor to BG for me is the heavy party interaction. This hasn't really been pursued in any game since BG2 (NWN party characters were fairly interesting, but not as amazingly complex as the BG ones and we don't need to talk about Jade Empire here..) and is actually one of the main reasons why i'm so excited about this game.

I still think of most BG characters as old friends, i wonder if those of DA:O are up to the challenge

[Mordaedil]

brusin wrote...

Mordaedil wrote...

brusin wrote...

Looks like a NWN 2 successor, duh.

It's not.

You are allowed to have personal opinion as well, I'm ok with that.

Oh, I'm not disrespecting your opinion or anything. It might look like NWN2's successor, but I just stated that the fact is that it is not. I meant no disrespect or argument.

[Agaroth]

DAO is a new IP, not a successor to ANY game. yes, it has bits and pieces from every game Bioware have made, but that does not mean it is a successor to any of them. if it was it would be called NwN3, Baldur's Gate 3 or Mass Effect: The fantasy stories. but its not.



is it really important that it is a "successor" to any bioware game? as we all know, Bioware is known for good stories, and well written characters, and in later games, cinematic dialogue. thats whats matters, not what game it is the successor to, imo

[Fulgrim88]

Agaroth wrote...

is it really important that it is a "successor" to any bioware game?

It is, in a way that many people around here would gladly sacrifice a leg for another BG2.

There's no doubt that it'll turn out to be a good game - we're talking about Bioware making an RPG here - but the whole point of the spiritual successor discussion is wether we're in for the first "classical" rpg experience since over a decade

[Mordaedil]

Agaroth wrote...

is it really important that it is a "successor" to any bioware game?

It's not, it's just how it was advertised 5 years ago.

[Nekator]

Fulgrim88 wrote...

Agaroth wrote...

is it really important that it is a "successor" to any bioware game?

It is, in a way that many people around here would gladly sacrifice a leg for another BG2.

There's no doubt that it'll turn out to be a good game - we're talking about Bioware making an RPG here - but the whole point of the spiritual successor discussion is wether we're in for the first "classical" rpg experience since over a decade

ah come on.. NWN was too a "successor" to BG, and what turned it out to be? (I´m no fan of the party system, if you can call it that at all in NWN).

I think DAO will be better then NWN in mostly every direction, and when it also has good and interesting NPC´s & Party interaction, i´m fully satisfied.

[Fulgrim88]

Nekator wrote...

ah come on.. NWN was too a "successor" to BG, and what turned it out to be?

Did they really advertise it that way? I wasn't hooked up much with the nwn franchise back then.
But then again NWN was little more than a demo for the toolset it contained. I hope DA:O won't turn out to be the same.

My last post might have sounded too melodramatic, though, there's absolutely no doubt that i'll enjoy DA:O. But i'd be much happier still to finally get my hands on something able to compete "ye olde" games.
So far DA:O does sound pretty promising. Being labelled by the press as "Biowares Masterpiece" gotta mean something, especially when talking about Bioware;)

[Mordaedil]

I believe NWN was only a "shadow" on the horizon. It was considered by many to be advertised as Baldur's Gate 3: Neverwinter Nights. Mr. Foreshadow from Waterdeep also had a hand to play in that.

[Agaroth]

Fulgrim88 wrote...

Agaroth wrote...

is it really important that it is a "successor" to any bioware game?

It is, in a way that many people around here would gladly sacrifice a leg for another BG2.

There's no doubt that it'll turn out to be a good game - we're talking about Bioware making an RPG here - but the whole point of the spiritual successor discussion is wether we're in for the first "classical" rpg experience since over a decade

i wouldn't. even though the BG series is my all time favorite games. why?
because at some point you have to realize that BG2 is the past. it will NEVER happen again. it is still a good game, but it wont happen again. and why would it? and why on earth do you want it to happen again? if they made another BG2, they could never appease every fanboy out there. NEVER!

but your second point i agree to =) i also hope for that feeling. but again. its a new IP, a new game. so i dont hope people are expecting a new BG, or BG3, because it isnt. i just wish people wasnt so stuck in the past, that they cant enjoy DAO as a new game, but rather complain that it isnt BG2 all over again.

[Nithrakis Arcanius]

The party combat is closer to BG than NWN, as NWN only let you really control one character.



I'm currently playing through BG2 while I wait for DA to be released and I'm having a lot of fun with it. I never did play through it before.