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[Ticonderoga117]

Nightwriter wrote...

Yes, thank you BioWare, for your oh-so-fricking-magical decision to make me kill EDI and the geth if I want to maybe-live. Can't have me walking away from the ending with a smile on my face, can we. No. Oh no. That would be too positive. What would the grimdark-loving pseudo-realists say? Perish the thought.

Hiss. Rawr. Bitter grumble.

Not artsy enough or something.

Heaven forbid we feel good at the end like we did in ME1 and ME2.

[wipeoutboy]

I pick it because shep survives at the end.

[AlanC9]

CommanderShwan wrote...
You only have to hear the first 30 seconds of the extended control cut to know how much of a bad idea you made:

"Only now do I understand the full extent of HIS sacrifice"
"Through HIS death, I was created"
"Through MY birth, HIS thoughts were freed"
"They guide ME now"
"There is power in control, there is wisdom in harnassing the strengths of you enemy". (That can work both ways don't you think? If Starchild harnasses the strengths of Shepard? This way the reapers still get what they want, which is galactic control. Except now they have Space Jesus as a faceman to make everyone feel at ease about it.)

Except SC is gone. There's just the new Shepard. Who is shaped by the old Shepard. If I trusted my Shepard -- if she trusted herself enough to pick Control -- I've got no particular reson to fear this new being. Of course, you're free to headcanon a terrible disaster if that makes the ending more enjoyable for you. That's how I liked to think of the DR in DA:O.

Also by picking this ending you not only endorse EVERYTHING TIM tried to accomplish and his methods, but also perform "Genocide" by destroying all sentient reaper's. If Shepard/Starchild exerts direct control over the reapers, then Harbinger and other Reapers are all killed off or enslaved. So it becomes the ethics question on the Heretic Geth base in ME2 all over again. Are you willing to enslave/kill off your entire enemy for victory?

Italed part: yep. So what? It's ironic, sure, but that's not an argument against it.

As for the rest: since the Reapers are exterminated in your preferred ending, I'm not quite getting this. The question is whether enslaving them is better than exterminating them?

 If they pick control, once the plot gets to the point where the antagonists can threaten anything of value in the galaxy, here comes the Shepard Space Protector Reapers™ to save the day.

Threatening the whole galaxy won't work, yes. I see this as a feature, not a bug. Bio's done the world-threatening enemy too many times. They should give it a rest.

[Niulus Kriyk]

themikefest wrote...

destroy that is the goal from the beginning

[Zardoc]

 

  Except SC is gone. There's just the new Shepard. Who is shaped by the old Shepard. If I trusted my Shepard -- if she trusted herself enough to pick Control -- I've got no particular reson to fear this new being. Of course, you're free to headcanon a terrible disaster if that makes the ending more enjoyable for you. That's how I liked to think of the DR in DA:O.

Yeah you do. Because anyone who thinks he deserves or is able to control the power the Catalyst offers to him is obviously mad.

Modifié par Zardoc, 27 juillet 2012 - 07:54 .

[ISAWRIT]

Honestly, I'm on my second playthrough and I'm going to pick Destroy simply because Shepard will live. Not even gonna try to defend it with "No, that's been the plan forever," or "We make synthetics again whatevz."

I find killing EDI and the Geth a douchebag move, so my canon ending is Control because no one dies (except Shepard), everyone keeps their unqiue genetic makeup, and Shepard makes a noble and selfless sacrifice. And with EC now, Catalyst-Shepard peacefully protects the galaxy (if Paragon).

[Raizo]

CHALET wrote...

 ...Just because it's the one where Shepard lives?

I've only beaten ME3 once and I picked 'Synthesis' because I did not have enough EMC to get the Shepard lives scene. Of course now that the EC is out and the EMC score needed for the Shepard lives ending has been lowered so that it is now obtainable with single player only I am very tempted to pick they 'Destroy' ending just beause it is the only ending where Shepard lives. Thanks to that one scene I now have it in my head that 'Destroy' is the cannon ending to ME3.

[elitehunter34]

To be honest I picked Destroy in the EC because I was hoping IT was true and then there would be a new ending without the plot holes or the Catalyst. Looks like I was wrong. I honestly don't give a damn if Shepard lives. I only care about a coherent narrative. If the flow of events in a story logically demands that something needs to happen (Shepard dying in this case) then I don't mind, but I won't accept contrived reasons for something happening.

[Blue Gloves]

mission first- always. The mission was to destroy the reapers. I really don't see how it matters if Shep lives, since it's not like there are going to be any more games starring her.

[AlanC9]

 My Shep's mission was to stop the Reapers, by whatever means comes to hand. 

[Raizo]

Blue Gloves wrote...

mission first- always. The mission was to destroy the reapers. I really don't see how it matters if Shep lives, since it's not like there are going to be any more games starring her.

Strange, I always assumed that it would be impossible to destroy all the Reapers by conventional means ( ie. with out Deus Ex machina ) and that my mission in the mE games wasn't so much destroying Reapers as it was stopping them ( one way or another using any means necessary ) from killing everything in the Universe.

[CommanderShwan]

AlanC9 wrote..

Except SC is gone. There's just the new Shepard. Who is shaped by the old Shepard. If I trusted my Shepard -- if she trusted herself enough to pick Control -- I've got no particular reson to fear this new being. Of course, you're free to headcanon a terrible disaster if that makes the ending more enjoyable for you. That's how I liked to think of the DR in DA:O.

"The Crucible has changed ME"

"Or do you think you CAN control us?"

"You will control US, but you will lose everything you have"

Where does the SC say he'll be gone in his dialouge for control? If Shepard takes control of the reapers, and SC is just the collective intelligence of the reapers, then SC would still be around and fuzed with Shep otherwise Shepard wouldn't have the knowledge from the reapers.

Italed part: yep. So what? It's ironic, sure, but that's not an argument against it.

As for the rest: since the Reapers are exterminated in your preferred ending, I'm not quite getting this. The question is whether enslaving them is better than exterminating them?

I guess accepting the numerous atrocities that TIM did is par for the course then, I'm appreciate that people can accept the moral ambiguity of ALL the decisions at the end of this game. And yes, that's the question. Like I said earlier, is this not the same context of the heretic base? Rewrite the Geth so they believe something that goes against what they natually reasoned to, or just destroy them so they can hold their beliefs. The reason I'm setting this question up is due to the Leviathan DLC coming. If Leviathan of Dis is actually a defector, then the reapers are not the mindless drones SC wants you to believe. Since it's been spoiled that can join you as a war asset, that means he's willing fight his own kind. This means perhaps that Harbinger and the other reapers WANT to do what they do.

 Threatening the whole galaxy won't work, yes. I see this as a feature, not a bug. Bio's done the world-threatening enemy too many times. They should give it a rest.

So your saying Bioware sould get into the Telenovela scene? That'll be fun. Why wouldn't reaper-shep stop small scale stuff like space pirating either? Super Paragon Shep would NEVER let an injustice, no matter what scale, go by if he was able to stop it, and now that he has an armada of 1000+ reaper ships I don't see how he couldn't stop all injustice in the universe. 

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

I'll go by my first play through because it's honest. I picked destroy because it was the only choice that completed the mission: "dead reapers is how we end this." -- your boss, Admiral Hackett.

My renegade Shepard to The Illusive Man -- "No one person should have that kind of power." -- How could she pick control? It went against her core beliefs.

Synthesis? "There's still one way to fix this, if you have the guts."
"Goodbye, Shepard." -- Synthesis is not something that can be forced. This choice forces it.

BW doesn't know how to write a grim dark ending... I could outline a plan with a group and if I had a great staff of writers, we could have you embedding your controller in the wall on your first play, then laughing with relief on your replay. I always want to leave a positive note. Real life is grim enough.

Modifié par sH0tgUn jUliA, 27 juillet 2012 - 08:33 .

[Gold Dragon]

I had first chosen Destroy before I even knew that Shepard COULD live in this one.  I never could get into MP (It isn't fun because I keep dying on the thirs enemy, and sometimes the second enemy in Wave ONE(1)), so I expected Death.  When I found out what it took for Shepard to Survive Destroy, I went and Altered the War Asset Values so that a complete Playthru gave 4100 EMS (without using Chakwas and VS War Assets).


So I suppose you could say that I picked Destroy for both of the following reasons: It satisfied Shepard's goal of stopping the Reapers permanently, and Shepard could live.

Modifié par A Golden Dragon, 27 juillet 2012 - 08:42 .

[ABN Tali Fan]

Destroy because dead reapers is how we win this thing.

[zapphoman24]

It is a factor (Shepard surviving) but on my first run of the extended cut I was going to pick synthesis (I know shame on me) but after the run to the conduit, I changed my mind to destroy. The talimancers will understand why.

[Carlthestrange]

I picked destroy because I want the Reapers dead.

[Kalms]

De1ta G wrote...

In fact. Destroy was the choice I made on my first playthrough. As far as I knew, Shepard was going to die.

This!

[k0xfilter]

I CHOOSE YOU, DESTROY! ATTACK WITH RED LAZOR!

To be honest, i don't like the Destroy Ending, because of it's side effects. You know, kill al the Geth, EDI and such. But i rather pick Destroy than Control/Synthesis.

Reason: (I copy-pasta it from an other tread)

my problem with control and synthesis is that you get introduced to a new character who claims to be the mastermind behind the cycles and he tells you that you can take over control over the reapers by touching that power line something or end all of this synthetics vs organics and cycle **** by jumping into a giant laser.


...no way hosay

[AresKeith]

I picked Destroy and I really didn't care if Shep lived or died, but if he does live then its a plus

[Khajiit Jzargo]

A lot of people picked Destroy because they got to lived, even though they won't admit it.

[AbsoluteApril]

nope.
only destroy once so far because it fit with that shepard. cannnon chose synthesis

[The Twilight God]

wipeoutboy wrote...

I pick it because shep survives at the end.

Yeah, he comes back as a temrinator in Control and sprouts out of a cybernetic cabbage patch fullt grown in synthesis. He survives the other two endings just as much as he survives Destroy. (I.e. only in your head)

[devSin]

CHALET wrote...

 ...Just because it's the one where Shepard lives?

You assume he lives. It could be the last breath before death.

Officially, Shepard doesn't survive.

Modifié par devSin, 27 juillet 2012 - 09:46 .

[Galifreya]

I pick destroy because both of the other options are ideals of the enemy. Shepard living or dying has little to do with it.