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[Cuddlezarro]

Randy1083 wrote...

zakaryzb wrote...

For those of you that chose destroy? What was your though on the synthetics vs organics problem? While EDI and the Geth are clear examples of how starbrat was wrong, this was not always the case, as seen from your conversations with Javik. Did you just headcannon that down the road, synthetics like the geth would be created again that wouldn't harm organics? With destroy, the only two "good" synthetics we know of are now gone.

This is how I feel about it: The geth and EDI disprove the Catalyst's assertion that organics and synthetics cannot coexist. Maybe some day in the future organics and synthetics will come into conflict again, but it shouldn't be up to the Catalyst or even Shepard to decide how everyone else, both those who are living and those still to come, should live their lives. Life is random and chaotic; it's not something upon which you can (or should) try to impose order. People (both organic and not) should be allowed to live their own lives and make their own choices, good or bad. And just because something happened in the past, that doesn't mean it must happen again in the future. With the existence of the Reapers now a commonly known fact throughout the galaxy, perhaps future generations will avoid the mistakes made by those who came before. Maybe they won't. But whatever happens, they should be given the chance to decide for themselves.

pretty much this

plus I dont really see the others solving the "problem" either

I mean do you see HK-47 from KoTOR turning peaceful because he was hit with a green beam that makes him "understand" organics without somehow rewriting his software? I dont expecially since he shows pretty much contempt for fellow synthetics as well

[Uncle Jo]

D24O wrote...


Well the fact that they have to add the caviet of killing off synthetic life for people to even consider the other choices suggests that they're weak. But IMO the Catalyst is a bad character, and I try, although not always succesfully, to ignore it and not let it ruin the game.

You hit on the nail. If they didn't use the synthetics leverage, I'm pretty sure that almost every one would have chosen destroy.
You can't let control or synthesis being advocated only by insane, indoctrinated people or your archenemy all along the three games and then present it in the last five minutes, as valid option.

Modifié par Uncle Jo, 28 juillet 2012 - 02:02 .

[Arcadian Legend]

Uncle Jo wrote...

Elite Trooper wrote...

I laugh and find it ironic how some people think Destroy is the 'paragon' option.

I laugh and find it ironic how some people think any option is parangon. Especially control.

Control covers both ends of the spectrum in a sense, as there are two versions of the ending, depending on you being a Paragon or Renegade. ParaShep sees it as a means to protect, whereas ReneShep sees it as a means to lead.

[D24O]

Uncle Jo wrote...
You hit on the nail. If they didn't use the synthetics leverage, I'm pretty sure that even almost every one would have chosen destroy. 
You can't let control or synthesis being advocated only by insane, indoctrinated people or your archenemy all along the three games and then present it in the last five minutes, as valid option.

While I agree that those options come somewhat out of left field, especially synthesis, all do take in some of the idealogy of our enemy. Saren/Reapers for Synth, TIM/Reapers for Control, and The Catalyst's ideas color destroy. Really, like I said before, I just like to ignore the Catalyst, and the EC shows that all 3 work, so I'm of the opinion f*** the Catalyst, just let me end the game, whatever option, I don't care what anyone else picks as long as they can justify it to themselves.

[HopHazzard]

Shepard living is a plus, but that's not why I go for destroy. It just seems more honest than the other choices somehow. And it is what you've set out to do since ME1.

[Uncle Jo]

Arcadian Legend wrote...

Uncle Jo wrote...

Elite Trooper wrote...

I laugh and find it ironic how some people think Destroy is the 'paragon' option.

I laugh and find it ironic how some people think any option is parangon. Especially control.

Control covers both ends of the spectrum in a sense, as there are two versions of the ending, depending on you being a Paragon or Renegade. ParaShep sees it as a means to protect, whereas ReneShep sees it as a means to lead.

I'll admit that the control ending post EC was well executed. But the Parangon/Renegade speech, while cool to hear, means nothing to me.

You seized absolute power on your own will, knowing its probable hazardous consequences. Despite of the fact that a short while ago, you explicitely told TIM that we're not ready for this. What in the world could have happened in five minutes that makes Shep suddenly wise and/or strong enough to assume this kind of power ?

As far as I can remember, be it in a movie or video game, I've never seen a true parangon character making this kind of move. If you have any example I'd be glad to hear it.

Modifié par Uncle Jo, 28 juillet 2012 - 01:19 .

[sonicphoto]

I chose destroy because that is what I came to do, to destroy the reapers, not become BFF's with them. Everyone in my crew wanted to destroy them, everyone had suffered enough with these creatures. I can't just turn people into half robots and make them have fun with the reapers rebuilding, that is simply stupid. And controlling them again, we killed thousands of cerberus soldiers because we said no to the theory of control, so now I killed them in vain, because I decided to listen now? It's common sense. That it kills EDI and the Geth stupidly? Yes, it does, but thats just lazy writing. But to compensate at least, they make Shepard live, and he does live, that whole theory of being his last gasp is really pointless, because the excitement of the scene is seeing him breath, not seeing him dying.

[rapscallioness]

I picked Destroy because I love me some dead Reapers.

Especially deep fried with a little sweet and sour sauce on the side. Tangy! Yet, sweet....

[Jvolikas]

ThaDPG wrote...

I pick destroy because it's what Shep set out to do, whether he lives or not

This.  The goal was Destroy the Reapers, not mind-rape them or the rest of the galaxy.

[Saberchic]

I picked destroy because, like everyone else has said, that was always the goal. That doesn't change because starbrat shows up.

Control is too risky and Synthesis is just plain wrong. Destroy is the best option IMO. That doesn't mean one of my Sheps won't choose control occassionally, but none of them will ever pick Synthesis.

And yes, some people do pick destroy just for the ending where Shep lives. After all the crap Shepard has been through and has been forced to deal with, there's nothing wrong with people wanting to give Shep a happily-ever-after.  I think it's well-desrved tbh. 

[ThaDPG]

JG The Gamer wrote...

Elite Trooper wrote...

I laugh and find it ironic how some people think Destroy is the 'paragon' option.

Why?
Well in ME1 you have a conversation with Anderson about Saren. He says
"Saren wouldn't hesitate to kill 1000 people in an instant just to end a
war." and i'm assuming all you 'Paragons' out there, in response, would
choose the option "Then he needs to be stopped" (or something like
that).

IF you say that "You would too" then Anderson says that Saren would do it even if their were other options.

What
are you doing with destroy? Killing millions to end a war. Even with
other options available. So, in that sense, your no better than Saren.

Me? I chose Control. Like The Illusive Man says "Control is a means to survival."

Prior
to ME1 Saren has never (outside of Sovereign's indoctrination) faced an
enemy he couldn't beat. And even then, he took shortcuts which lead to
the deaths of many innocents. He never had to make the hard choices with
a galaxy on the line. Sovereign made the hard choice for Saren more like.

Shepard on the other hand has his/her back to the wall with the fate of a galaxy on the line. If the Reapers aren't destroyed, they will destroy all organic life. Over and over. Don't like the cost, but it rids the galaxy of the Reapers forever.

If it were any other species on the line, humans included, I'm still putting a dozen holes in that tube.

Exactly.  The whole harvesting of cycles by the reapers needs to stop, and the only way to definitively do that is to destroy them, despite losing a good friend, and a single species, both who were willing to die to see this done anyway.  Shep would make the same choice if it was humans or Turians, etc. on the chopping block instead.  It had to be done, so the galaxy can finally move on and grow on their own.

[iSousek]

I picked destroy because I am repulsed by every word the kid says and it seems to me that out of all the choices this one is going against him most.

[Galbrant]

At first before the EC I pick destroyed because I thought the Catalyst was full of crap.

[Qui-Gon Glenn]

Cuddlezarro wrote...

plus I dont really see the others solving the "problem" either

I mean do you see HK-47 from KoTOR turning peaceful because he was hit with a green beam that makes him "understand" organics without somehow rewriting his software? I dont expecially since he shows pretty much contempt for fellow synthetics as well

HK-47 Pacifist Package anyone???

I chose synthesis first time around, hating it the least of my three empty choices to make. I then went into the living room, told my girlfriend, "I just did everything right, kinda knew I was going to die somehow. I won the game and I feel awful."

I played through the ending one more time after reading the IT, choosing destroy. It remains my choice; I find it unlikely I will ever play through the entire ME3 campaign again. I have enough "tough luck" and "that's reality" in my reality... Mass Effect is a fantasy universe, and my fantasy got crapped on. I couldn't care less about the EC... I have never watched any of the new endings in-game or on YT.

Thankfully I enjoy the MP.

Modifié par Qui-Gon Glenn, 28 juillet 2012 - 06:11 .

[-Skorpious-]

I choose destroy with a high EMS and believe Shepard is quite dead. Getting vaporized by a beam of death, losing gallons of blood, and pretty much blowing up can do that y'know?

Besides, control is a band-aid and synthesis is hilarious.

[Han Shot First]

I don't.

I pick the Red ending because it is the only that actually accomplishes the mission Shepard has had from Mass Effect 1: destroy the Reapers. It is the only ending where the civilizations of the galaxy actually win. Control and Synthesis are stalemate endings, and Refuse is an outright loss.

If the Red Ending was the only one where Shepard died, I'd still pick it every time. Besides, I like a good heroic sacrifice ending.

Modifié par Han Shot First, 28 juillet 2012 - 06:18 .

[C-Sec Officer]

I've said it before and I will say it again. I only chose destroy because I saw Anderson shooting the red tube and that was before I knew Shepard could survive.

[Tyreslol]

Green = Saren
Blue = TIM
Red = Anderson

Pretty easy choice there.

[Han Shot First]

iSousek wrote...

I picked destroy because I am repulsed by every word the kid says and it seems to me that out of all the choices this one is going against him most.

It also kills him.

[Massa FX]

I choose destroy because it's Shepard's mission. Her directive since ME1. Shepard is thorough, meticulous, and stubborn. She wouldn't waver at the finish line to figure out options. She'd complete her mission. Destroy her enemy.

The one time I didn't choose destroy was my first EC ending. I shot the AI in the head. It didn't go as I hoped it would.

[toots1221]

I choose destroy because that is the goal I have been working towards for three games and I'm not going to change it in the last 5 minutes because of something some psychotic star brat says. Synthesis is just plain ridiculous and all I've got to say for control is power corrupt and absolute power corrupts absolutely.

[MassStorm]

I picked Destroy because organic beings have the natural right to self-determiantion without any machine deciding what is best for us. That is what Shepard was fighting for since ME1. Our right to exist and be free.

Plus Anderson is proud of us Destroyers.

Modifié par MassStorm, 28 juillet 2012 - 06:57 .

[Doriath]

I'll be honest and say that his fate had very little to do with my choice. As I'm sure others have already stated, the point of the saga is to destroy the reapers. I can't pick control because it would make me feel like a hypocrite in condemning the Illusive Man and I can't pick merge because I think organics and synthetics can coexist without evolution, as is already evident at the end of the game (my game anyway) with Geth and Quarians living and fighting together as allies. Merge to me is just nonsensical at a far more base level, but at least there is my explanation for turning it down, besides just saying it makes no sense.

In any case, this being the end of the Shepard story means I'm less influenced by his ultimate fate and more so by what the lasting effect of his legacy will be and the consequences of my choice on the entire galactic community. I can say that, if the other two choices allowed him to survive and destroy ended with his death, I still would have chosen it.

Modifié par chrisnabal, 28 juillet 2012 - 07:07 .

[TNT1991]

Han Shot First wrote...

iSousek wrote...

I picked destroy because I am repulsed by every word the kid says and it seems to me that out of all the choices this one is going against him most.

It also kills him.

Destroy. Where Shepard survives and Starbrat dies...


...I love it! Lol

[ghostz82]

I picked destroy because one I don't like the reapers and two I want Shepard to live and it shows you that short clip of his body breathing when you choose destroy. That keeps my hopes of a future mass effect 4 with Shepard alive possiable. I think it would be great for them to make a mass effect 4 in where based on what ending you choose you can be Shepard if you choose destroy or if you choose one of the other endings you ll be a new hero they create since Shepard would be dead in the other endings chosen that would be awesome it would keep both Shepard fans and the fans who think Shepard should be dead happy and give them the choice to continue with Shepard or a new hero that they create and bring into the mass effect universe.