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[OdanUrr]

CHALET wrote...

 ...Just because it's the one where Shepard lives?

What I originally chose:

1) Synthesis: because I hadn't seen that ending yet
2) Control: because I thought it was the best course of action at the time
3) Destroy: just to see what happened

[Niniva]

My first time through i had no idea shepard lived. At all. As far as i knew, i was probably going to die either way. I did it because my shep set out since ME1 to destroy the reapers, and she was played as an incredibly stubborn, ruthless infiltrator with a soft spot for her friends and loved ones.

She said she was going to destroy the reapers, thats what she did.

Modifié par Niniva, 29 juillet 2012 - 03:02 .

[Comsky159]

After the EC (before I was very critical) control seems by far the best option to me. Shepard saves everyone, and as a paragon becomes the galactic guardian. I know I'd trust my Shepard to do that anyway.

Don't understand how the benefits of that can be surpassed given the blatant genocide in destroy. After Legion selflessly sacrificed himself for the good of the entire galaxy I couldn't wipe out his race like that.

Also I don't like loose ends. If most people are honest, the breath scene is the intrinsic reason for their loyalty to destroy.

Modifié par Comsky159, 29 juillet 2012 - 03:04 .

[Uncle Jo]

Elite Trooper wrote...

*snip*
Assuming you don't bring some petty assumptions to the argument, i will say that Shepard now has Control of the entire Reaper fleet and can help rebuild and safegaurd the galaxy from harm. Wether you believe that Shepard can handle the power or not is irrelevant, I beleive he can.

I agree that I can only assume about the long-term consequences. That's also all you can do. However I try to base these assumptions on what the three games forshadowed when it came down to the control option. But since you're not willing to discuss about assumptions, I'll let it be.

*snip*
Irrelevant, his experiments in no way reflect why i chose Control.

It's still disturbing that this option is only supported by, let's say, not the most commendable people, isn't it? Behind control hides the idea of power. An absolute one in this case with all the possible implications.

Opinion. You believe one thing, i beleive the other. There is no proof to support your argument here, especially when you say it "changes absolutely nothing", i beleive otherwise. And what does Destroy do to secure long-term peace? The threat of Synthetics still goes unchallenged.

We're talking about things happening beyond what the EC shows you. A part of speculationz is needed. Or there is no point to discuss.

Destroy just definitely takes care of the biggest problem of the last billion years. In the control ending the Reapers are still there and the fate of the galaxy will depend on Shep's will. No matter what he decides to do. I strongly disagree with this. That's also why I said that it changes nothing in the long-term.

I don't see how you can say for certain  that each and every person in the Galaxy is unhappy and now hates me and wants to kill me. If playing the "galactic cop" keeps the galaxy safe, why not?

I don't know, your new friends killed millions of people, terrorized, mutilated, tortured, indoctrinated countless populations, destroyed hundreds of worlds. This only in this cycle. If I was in the survivors shoes I would be at least a little angry. Let alone trust the Reapers.

By playing the cop, you're meddling with the galaxy's matters. Following the same path as the brat. The galaxy's races don't need an overseer. Let them live as they want.

Yes i do beleive they deserve to evolve in thier own way, the Reapers don't need to "interfere" if Shepard doesn't want them to. Funny you should bring this up, in Destroy you decimate the Geth who's goal, according to Legion, was to "build their own future". Now their dead, that doesn't sound like they "evolve the way they should", does it?

The Reapers have arbitrarily deprived the galaxy of its right to self-determination since they exist. The biggest threat was them. For me they had to disappear, in order to let the current and next generations or races evolve the way they should. But for this, there was a price to pay.

They are machines, that is true, but they wanted to stop organic life from becoming extinct, that doesn't sound selfish. (However, note that i don't agree with them)

I challenge you to find any proof/hint/evidence of the Reapers being in any way benevolent to organics or even synthetics or wanting to preserve them in the three games, aside from the brat's words. Or anything about the bad outcome of a inevitable tech singularity.

They are unknown, but you have assumed that Control is bad in the long run. And it depends what you think is the biggest problem. The Reapers or the extinction by synthetics, opinon and speculation are the only things we can decide by.

Agreed. But that's why the BSN is made for, isn't it ?

It's true, you do say that, however the diologue options are very limited and given the choice I wouldn't have said that, nor would i have killed TIM.

IMO the writers didn't limit the dialogue options without reason. I can't honestly think of something else. The guy was insane and indoctrinated. Beyond remedy. What would you have said to him ?

- You suck at control, let me take care of it ?
- Hang on bro, we're going to cure you ?

Modifié par Uncle Jo, 29 juillet 2012 - 03:42 .

[MyChemicalBromance]

People might meta-game it for that reason, but there was nothing in the build-up that said shepard would live (hell, the Catalyst's "partially synthetic" line seemed to imply he would die).

I picked Synthesis every time.

[Baa Baa]

I always choose destroy.
Except this one time I chose control just to see if I liked it. I liked the whole, "Shepard gets burnt to a crisp to save the galaxy," but I really disliked, "the illusive man was right." So I never picked it again.

[MegaSovereign]

Baa Baa wrote...

I always choose destroy.
Except this one time I chose control just to see if I liked it. I liked the whole, "Shepard gets burnt to a crisp to save the galaxy," but I really disliked, "the illusive man was right." So I never picked it again.

Oh no. TIM actually wasn't a moron afterall. My pride is so hurt.

[AlexPorto111]

To be honest,when i chosed destroy in mine first playtrough of the game,i did not know that Shepard could live.And happily for me,he did.

[MegaSovereign]

It could just be his last breath before he dies.

Trolololol

[Baa Baa]

MegaSovereign wrote...

Baa Baa wrote...

I always choose destroy.
Except this one time I chose control just to see if I liked it. I liked the whole, "Shepard gets burnt to a crisp to save the galaxy," but I really disliked, "the illusive man was right." So I never picked it again.

Oh no. TIM actually wasn't a moron afterall. My pride is so hurt.

No, he never came off as a moron. But as a Paragon I never agreed with what he stood for. I mean, I'd be fine with Control, if they at least gave you dialogue options in the game to make it seem like Shepard was considering control as an option. But at the end of the game it feels wrong for me, especially Anderson having just died saying, "I'm proud of you." I can't imagine he would be so proud after you choose something he fought and died against.

[BigGuy28]

I picked destroy because that's what I set out to do from the start. The reapers need to be destroyed for what they have done, any option where they survive is the wrong choice.

[MegaSovereign]

Baa Baa wrote...

MegaSovereign wrote...

Baa Baa wrote...

I always choose destroy.
Except this one time I chose control just to see if I liked it. I liked the whole, "Shepard gets burnt to a crisp to save the galaxy," but I really disliked, "the illusive man was right." So I never picked it again.

Oh no. TIM actually wasn't a moron afterall. My pride is so hurt.

No, he never came off as a moron. But as a Paragon I never agreed with what he stood for. I mean, I'd be fine with Control, if they at least gave you dialogue options in the game to make it seem like Shepard was considering control as an option. But at the end of the game it feels wrong for me, especially Anderson having just died saying, "I'm proud of you." I can't imagine he would be so proud after you choose something he fought and died against.

Completely understandable. Control vs Destroy is basically Pragmatism vs Principle.

I disagreed with TIM's methods but I always admired his ambition.

[LaZy i IS]

On my first playthrough, I chose destroy. Didn't care if I died, in fact, thought I would.
     (Then reloaded to see control/synthesis, was very glad I chose destroy)
All subsequent playthroughs, I chose destroy.
Why? I like to think I have a little integrity and/or honour.

Edited for random formatting fail. <_<

Modifié par LaZy i IS, 29 juillet 2012 - 04:59 .

[Inquisitor Recon]

I consider Shepard still alive in the Control ending, just as the Immortal-Reaper-God-King of mankind rather than some broken human body.

[Conquerthecity]

The first time I played ME3 I had no idea that Shepard would survive destroy. I picked it because destroying the Reapers was the goal of the entire trilogy. I still choose it for that reason. Synthesis is an abomination and Control just doesn't sit well with me. Even if the Reapers are out there rebuilding everything at Shepard's bidding it seems wrong.

[NomTheBurritos]

I finished my first run last night and I chose destroy, not knowing what'd happen. I wasn't aware of if he'd survive it or not, having the Catalyst mention Shep's partly synthetic body I thought that he'd probably not make it, yet I hoped for it. I chose the ending because I wanted to follow the choices I've made during the three games, to finish what they've been fighting for all along. The control choice seemed like full betrayal, like if Id suddenly take TIM's side when ive been opposing him thruought the series, while the synthesis choice seemed weird to remake the DNA, to change things in such a huge way...idk I just couldn't choose that. Ofc, I knew Sheaprd would die for sure there, thus another point of why I didn't choose C or S endings.
If I was to replay the game, Id probably re-choose D ending, as it was the ending I preferred out of the bunch.

For the record, I'd like to shoot the Catalyst in the head so it'd shut up or explain more xDD Buuut...that only leads to the creepy harbinger voice taking over and boom go the organics in the galaxy.

[Sir MOI]

I loved Control and Synthesis endings...
But deytroy? Hell no!

[Those Protheans]

I picked it because I thought Shepard would have a reunion with cutscenes, maybe even some gameplay.

Boy was I wrong.

[xlI ReFLeX lIx]

I don't pick it because Shepard lives, I pick it because it's the only one that makes sense IMO.

[PanzerGr3nadier]

I turned Reapers into space junk and Shep lives. What could you possible want??

[Elite Trooper]

[quote]Uncle Jo wrote...


[/quote]I agree that I can only assume about the long-term consequences. That's also all you can do. However I try to base these assumptions on what the three games forshadowed when it came down to the control option. But since you're not willing to discuss about assumptions, I'll let it be.

I don't think ME1,2 foreshadowed anything about cotrolling the Reapers because Bioware didn't know that was going to be an option.


[/quote]It's still disturbing that this option is only supported by, let's say, not the most commendable people, isn't it? Behind control hides the idea of power. An absolute one in this case with all the possible implications.

Fair enough, but I admired his ambition, not his goal.


[/quote]We're talking about things happening beyond what the EC shows you. A part of speculationz is needed. Or there is no point to discuss.

Destroy just definitely takes care of the biggest problem of the last billion years. In the control ending the Reapers are still there and the fate of the galaxy will depend on Shep's will. No matter what he decides to do. I strongly disagree with this. That's also why I said that it changes nothing in the long-term.

Agree to disagree i guess


[/quote]I don't know, your new friends killed millions of people, terrorized, mutilated, tortured, indoctrinated countless populations, destroyed hundreds of worlds. This only in this cycle. If I was in the survivors shoes I would be at least a little angry. Let alone trust the Reapers.

Well (although this was incredibly stupid on Biowares part) the Reapers did those things by the order of Star****. They don't need to trust the Reapers, they just need to trust me. I see your point, however.

By playing the cop, you're meddling with the galaxy's matters. Following the same path as the brat. The galaxy's races don't need an overseer. Let them live as they want.

Who says I'll meddle? If Shepard wants, he could make the Reapers leave, and never return.


The Reapers have arbitrarily deprived the galaxy of its right to self-determination since they exist. The biggest threat was them. For me they had to disappear, in order to let the current and next generations or races evolve the way they should. But for this, there was a price to pay.

And if I make the Reapers leave for good, I can make the same happen, without sacrificing the Geth.



]I challenge you to find any proof/hint/evidence of the Reapers being in any way benevolent to organics or even synthetics or wanting to preserve them in the three games, aside from the brat's words. Or anything about the bad outcome of a inevitable tech singularity.

That's not very fair, the developers didn't even know themselves what the Reapers were doing until the last game. And since the brat is the only source of information on the purpose of the Reapers, it's impossible for me to give an example. They preserved races that, if the brat is to be believed, would have been wiped out by synthetics. Hell, in, bleh, the Synthesis ending, the Reapers share the knowledge of the civilisations they preserved.



[/quote]Agreed. But that's why the BSN is made for, isn't it ?

Bringing speculation etc. to an argument can't be used as hard evidence though. If you say "Well in Control Shepinger could kill everyone." I might say "Well maybe he won't" and we just keep going in circles.


]IMO the writers didn't limit the dialogue options without reason. I can't honestly think of something else. The guy was insane and indoctrinated. Beyond remedy. What would you have said to him ?

- You suck at control, let me take care of it ?
- Hang on bro, we're going to cure you ?

Well it was an RPG based on your many choices, so why only have 1 outcome for TIM? I chose to keep the collector base in ME2, but it turns out it doesn't matter what you do, the outcome is the same. I would have liked the option (although I probs wouldn't choose it) to let TIM take Control of the Reapers, then Humanity becomes an almighty and powerful master race of the galaxy. Not the most appealing option, but the series was based on options and choices, who would complain if we were given more?

Even just keeping him alive could have been an option, now i need to kill him every time and say "Your wrong" when i know that he's right and Shepards being a complete hypocrite.

[/quote]

[Sifr]

I always choose destroy. While I do have some ethical issues about that choice, I remember that;

Legion vehemently opposed letting the Geth fall under Reaper control to the point where he'd rather destroy the heretic-base than let it remain in the Reaper's hands, while EDI expressed her certainty that she'd rather die than become a tool for the Reapers and would sacrifice herself if it meant saving Joker.

Control and Synthesis are what the Reapers want and allows them to survive, potentially even stronger than before.

To hell with that! Enough with being a pawn, Shepard should always blow them all straight to hell!

[Elite Trooper]

Sifr1449 wrote...

I always choose destroy. While I do have some ethical issues about that choice, I remember that;

Legion vehemently opposed letting the Geth fall under Reaper control to the point where he'd rather destroy the heretic-base than let it remain in the Reaper's hands, while EDI expressed her certainty that she'd rather die than become a tool for the Reapers and would sacrifice herself if it meant saving Joker.

Control and Synthesis are what the Reapers want and allows them to survive, potentially even stronger than before.

To hell with that! Enough with being a pawn, Shepard should always blow them all straight to hell!

Oh so what is it the Reapers want since you seem to know so much? Hmmm let's see, so in Control the Reapers most powerful enemy replaces their commander and now controls their every move. well if that's what the Reapers want it's kind of stupid.

As you seem to be so sure of this, I'm sure you have hard evidence and proof?

[Sifr]

Elite Trooper wrote...

Sifr1449 wrote...

I always choose destroy. While I do have some ethical issues about that choice, I remember that;

Legion vehemently opposed letting the Geth fall under Reaper control to the point where he'd rather destroy the heretic-base than let it remain in the Reaper's hands, while EDI expressed her certainty that she'd rather die than become a tool for the Reapers and would sacrifice herself if it meant saving Joker.

Control and Synthesis are what the Reapers want and allows them to survive, potentially even stronger than before.

To hell with that! Enough with being a pawn, Shepard should always blow them all straight to hell!

Oh so what is it the Reapers want since you seem to know so much? Hmmm let's see, so in Control the Reapers most powerful enemy replaces their commander and now controls their every move. well if that's what the Reapers want it's kind of stupid.

As you seem to be so sure of this, I'm sure you have hard evidence and proof?

The Starchild states that he wants Synthesis to happen and that he has for a long time.

Yes, while Control appears to give Shepard complete dominion over the Reapers, did Reaper!Shep actually sound like Shepard at all? I don't think so. And it talks about protecting the Galaxy... but from who exactly? It sounded like even if it Reaper!Shepard was going to be benevolent, eventually, someone is going to do something it disagrees with!

Any intervention from Reaper!Shepard means imposing their will on organic life, believing it to be for their own good... which is what the Reapers did before!

This brings me to another point. What exactly do you think Harbinger, the oldest Reaper, wanted Shepard's body for in the previous game? Why were the Collectors so interested? Seems to me that they wanted Shepard for some purpose and it wasn't simply because they were human, because they captured a bucket-load of them...

I'm going out on a limb and reckon that after their failure with Saren, making Shepard into a Reaper was probably among one of Harbinger's long-term goals.

Feel free to disagree, it's all vague supposition anway, but let's keep things civil.

[Elite Trooper]

[/quote]

The Starchild states that he wants Synthesis to happen and that he has for a long time.

Yes, while Control appears to give Shepard complete dominion over the Reapers, did Reaper!Shep actually sound like Shepard at all? I don't think so. And it talks about protecting the Galaxy... but from who exactly? It sounded like even if it Reaper!Shepard was going to be benevolent, eventually, someone is going to do something it disagrees with!

Any intervention from Reaper!Shepard means imposing their will on organic life, believing it to be for their own good... which is what the Reapers did before!

This brings me to another point. What exactly do you think Harbinger, the oldest Reaper, wanted Shepard's body for in the previous game? Why were the Collectors so interested? Seems to me that they wanted Shepard for some purpose and it wasn't simply because they were human, because they captured a bucket-load of them...

I'm going out on a limb and reckon that after their failure with Saren, making Shepard into a Reaper was probably among one of Harbinger's long-term goals.

Feel free to disagree, it's all vague supposition anway, but let's keep things civil.
[/quote]

Agreed, it's mostly opinion and speculation.

As for Shepards body, i thought he wanted to indoctrinate it then cause some havoc.

I can totally understand why people pick and prefer other choices, and really all it comes down to is your own personal view. My guess is that we are meant to headcanon the consequences of the ending. So where one person might see that Control turns the galaxy into an oppressed police state, I imagine that Shepinger only steps in when things turn nasty, wether it be in 1 year or 100,000, he won't step in unless needed.

I only really replied to your post because i thought it was some brainless "Destroy killz reapers, nd shep lives! Everything else is wrong!" post, but thankfully it's not

Modifié par Elite Trooper, 29 juillet 2012 - 03:35 .