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[LadyAlekto]

WTF?

There is nothing to balance here...

The gi does its job and the masses fail with him, same as the destroyer...

They are damned fine, especially from you i wonder how such a thread comes

*edit*

Krysae is fine where it is, still works better then the falcon, put it on a demolisher and you a got a spawnwiping support bomber for platinum

Modifié par ShadedPhoenix, 28 juillet 2012 - 02:02 .

[Hypertion]

Air Quotes wrote...

Now I know I'm gonna get flamed hardcore for this, but I'll post my thoughts anyway.  

The reason why there are SO many weapon nerf theads and the reason why we can't have powerful weapons is because GI and Destroyer makes them INSANE. It's just a fact. Any good weapon becomes godly in their hands because of the damage, accuracy and ROF buffs they have. 

Now I'm not asking for a nerf here. 

I think Bioware's idea with the Geth is that they supposed to use Geth weapons. That's why they gave them geth weapon boosts - fine. Reduce the general damage boosts of Hunter mode to all weapons and put them to Geth ones to encourage the usage of Javelin, GPS, GPSMG and GPR. All of these weapons have some kind of drawback and the damage boosts from Hunter mode won't make them OP.

Destroyer. He's suppose to be a walking turret. Meaning rapid fire weapons. So make his weapon damage boosts that he gets from Devastator mode apply ONLY to Assault Rifles. 

Paladin Flame Shield Deployed! 

well that one i liked.

[3XT3RM1N4TUS]

Air Quotes wrote...

ShadedPhoenix wrote...

WTF?

There is nothing to balance here...

The gi does its job and the masses fail with him, same as the destroyer...

They are damned fine, especially from you i wonder how such a thread comes

Masses fail with everything. 

Those who get decent with them and get decent weapons (that GI's and Destroyers make tottaly awesome) come here and get those weapons nerfed. Or worse. Get both classes AND weapons nerfed. 

And what I'm suggesting is not a nerf. It's more like a specialization in certain classes of weapons. 

Actually it's a huge nerf.

[The Waffle Cat]

Nah removing extra damage from devastator mode isnt nerfing...

Can I have that drug you're smoking?

[The Waffle Cat]

Air Quotes wrote...

The Waffle Cat wrote...

Nah removing extra damage from devastator mode isnt nerfing...

Can I have that drug you're smoking?

Extra damage from shotguns, pistols and Sniper rifles. 

Leave it for AR's

Shotguns? LOL, Me2 shotgun speciality as a soldier shepard in the collector ship (claymore)

Assault rifles and shotguns are real soldier weapons...

[curly haired boy]

leave destroyer alone

it's what ME3 soldier should have been from the very beginning

[3XT3RM1N4TUS]

How about buffing weapons and powers that suck and nobody use them?

[LadyAlekto]

If gi gets reduced to geth weapons only, i can drop my favourite build, the metalhammer, a unique build with a gun that you either love or hate....

**** like that has never to happen!

And next you go to the stupidity of me2 and reducing all classes to one specific weaponset, ruining all infiltrators as i am playing ar infiltrators since me1.....

I just cannot accept seing such talk from you......

Modifié par ShadedPhoenix, 28 juillet 2012 - 02:34 .

[Lord Rosario]

Air Quotes wrote...

I'm sorry. But I think a lot of you will not understand what I mean.

So let the cycle of nerfing weapons just because GI and Destroyer makes them OP continue. Let other classes pay the price.

What cycle? There are far more buffs than nerfs and far more substantial buffs than substantial nerfs. Two guns have been deemed by Bioware as op and have had action taken against them. Only one class and one character have been specifically targeted for severe buffs. Again I ask, what cycle? Gears of War has had more nerfs than this game and it has 5 guns total. I think we are doing pretty damn well here.

[The Waffle Cat]

Air Quotes wrote...

I'm sorry. But I think a lot of you will not understand what I mean.

So let the cycle of nerfing weapons just because GI and Destroyer makes them OP continue. Let other classes pay the price.

Stop whining, engineer = tech burst class
Vanguard = master of setting of be's while having a slight combat advantage
Adept = master of setting up and off BE's
Soldier = weapon expert 
Infiltrator = weapon expert with a slight tech added (TC and such)

Heck you could even say the vanguard could be a good weapon class but you would need to have full weapon synergy

As well if 2/10 (dual humans) are better than the 8/10 why would you bother whining, there are a lot people who havent unlocked them yet and wow there are 8 different characters to pla

[LadyAlekto]

That is how it always goes, i do trust in bioware to not look at the "powergamers" instead look to those that could do that stuff and choose not to

[Lord Rosario]

I'll be honest, personally, I would like this change, but I would never ask for it because it would be rather selfish of me. I don't play my destroyer for damage. I like using geth weapons on my geth infiltrator and always thought a 10% boost wasn't enough for those guns. These changes would actually benefit me. Thing is, I understand that the way I play is not the only way. Others like to use their Claymore instead of the GPS. A lot of people play the Destroyer as a damage dealer as opposed to the damage soaker I like to play.

[Eckswhyzed]

Air Quotes wrote...

3XT3RM1N4TUS wrote...

How about buffing weapons and powers that suck and nobody use them?

Buffed weapons on GI and Destroyer. Even better. INFINITE LOOP. 

Buffs to weapons and powers would mean buffed enemies. INFINITE LOOP.

Buffs to a lot of weapons are needed. That's a given. 

But power gamers will still use only the best. And then get them nerfed, move to second best - get it nerfed. That's how it's going now. 

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Buffing unused weapons such as Disciple etc. doesn't necessarily raise the performance ceiling of the most powerful class+loadout combinations. It just brings up the performance floor of the crap stuff. A buff to the Disciple, Eagle and Raptor won't suddenly make the GI or Destroyer more powerful.

As for "power gamers will still use only the best. And then get them nerfed, move to second best - get it nerfed", you give us "power gamers" far too much credit. I don't see how nerfing currently OP things leads to the next best thing getting nerfed despite its performance staying exactly the same.

Note: I don't really have a point here I'm just pointing out stuff I disagree with.

[LadyAlekto]

What causes the cries? scrubs that got beaten by a expert at one or 2 classes and dont get it....

The krysae was just op, i couldnt enjoy using it and i loved it (prox fused heap cannon, what not to love)

Now i love it, parting for the minfiretime conflicting with reload, it is a nice gun for supporter builds and still dishes out a lot of damage, its just no autowin anymore

The falcon still could do well with a buff to minrefire time.... that was over the top, the nerf

The piranha just needs the last buff reverted, my revenant gi still has a higher and longer sustained dps then any piranha could ever hope, all with more range and accuracy...

See it this way simply, who cries for nerfs the most loudest? SCRUBS!

[orlandus92]

We finally get a "Weapon Specialist" soldier and you want a nerf. We get a weapon that is slightly better than what we have now but because of a few classes it becomes really powerful and people want a nerf. They buff the enemies and i see none of you people complain about that unfair bull****. They create a new difficultly where scrubs with avengers fresh out of bronze come to mooch off of my carrying and you people still ask for nerfs. How bout people try getting better for once instead of blaming weapons or characters because i can carry people using my N7 paladin and a Talon VIII on gold and platinum yet no one calls either Op so suck it up. You make me sick.

[Eckswhyzed]

Air Quotes wrote...

The question is - how can we make weapon and class nerfing STOP? Or not be as SEVERE?

What causes the most cries for nerfs? Ask yourself that.

I'll give you one combination:

GI with Krysae.

Bioware handled the Krysae nerf badly. A nerf to TC sniper damage and a buff to the remaining snipers would have been nice.....now we just have underwhelming sniper rifles that are usable on infiltrators and pretty bad on everything else.

I'm not against the idea of a HM/Devastator nerf, I just don't know if restricting the damage buffs they provide is a good way to go about it.