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What national reaction? Outside the media, people simply won't care. Who care's about the long jump or swimming outside the Olympics? Once this is over it will all be forgotten again, except for the winners getting some nice endorsements keeping them in the public eye. I don't see how it affects morale at all, is someone going to say "I'm broke and have no hope of a job but it's ok because Jessica Ennis won a race!!"?


Perhaps not, but who's gonna look at that
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while running and complain?

I'll tell you who, people's who's problems are beyond repair.


Okay. Eye candy for men is sorted.
We need to put of eye candy for women or otherwise people will complain that this thread is sexist.

Usain Bolt in the link below (because I don't know how to copy and paste pictures onto the site)

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Abraham_uk wrote...

android654 wrote...

Druss99 wrote...
What national reaction? Outside the media, people simply won't care. Who care's about the long jump or swimming outside the Olympics? Once this is over it will all be forgotten again, except for the winners getting some nice endorsements keeping them in the public eye. I don't see how it affects morale at all, is someone going to say "I'm broke and have no hope of a job but it's ok because Jessica Ennis won a race!!"?


Perhaps not, but who's gonna look at that
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while running and complain?

I'll tell you who, people's who's problems are beyond repair.


Okay. Eye candy for men is sorted.
We need to put of eye candy for women or otherwise people will complain that this thread is sexist.


I'm pretty sure women like staring at her too.

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I love both side of it. I love to see that athlete from a smaller country that no one mentions or expects to win come out ahead and have a great day, but on the other side on any given day you win or you lose. A great athlete should not have to sit on the bench when they had a great day just because others from the same country had a better day.
Ya, looking around I have seen mentioned other countries sideling those that made it because of a "injury" and personally that is just as bad sportsmenship as the 2 per rule. At least they got the gold in the team event :)

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I just love that. They have some thrones for the top speeds in the bike time trials.

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P.S.
Phelps is the most decorated Olympian. Even tho he is a lazy pot smoking Marylander... then again most of us are.

P.P.S
Pick it up Britian the French have more medals then you. Do you really want to live with that for four more years?

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If you can look at her and find a reason to be upset, then you are quite literally beyond help.

For the spectators, the olympics should be about having fun while watching people compete. There's no b*tching allowed from the audience over the games.



Oh gee sorry if

"economic instabiliy"

or

"Record Jobless rates"

or

"paying bills"

Is more important to me and some others than billions being thrown on a giant pissing contest so folks like you can see some skin.

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There's this thing. It's called the internet. Anyone who wants to see some skin can find so much of it, that they wont take their clothes off for a year. If you don't want to watch, then don't f*cking watch it. But don't go and b*tch about things that have nothing to do with the olympics with people who are talking about the olympics.

One a side note, Hope Solo and the U.S. beat N. Korea! Another step to winning. But we got our asses handed to us in boxing. It was a shame since I saw just about every televised match. After that and our only guy in Judo suffer defeat three times in a row, I'm inclined to believe we can't fight for sh*t, but aparently Canada can. Who knew?

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Yeah, as you can probably tell from my large amount of gamerscore, my sig, my avatar, and other things, I'm not really into sports.

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I'm generally pro-fitness but anti-sport. Exercise to improve your health and state of mind is great. Exercise that's going to cripple you and/or leave you on pain meds in twenty years is bad and IMO that's what the current sport culture is doing to athletes in several sports.

Am I the only one who thinks that there may be too many swimming events, or that the swimming events are too similar? Phelps has19 medals now, there are currently two swimmers with 4 medals these Olympics (Schmitt and Coutts) and at least three swimmers with 3 medals each (Agnel, Lochte and Phelps). Either we're living in the golden age of swimming or some of these events are redundant.

BTW, what do people think about shuttlegate. The way I see it, strategy is part of the game. We didn't get to be the dominant species on the planet through brawn but brains. If you can increase your chances by losing you would be stupid not to. If they didn't want players to do this they should have randomized the draws and not announced them until after the round was complete.

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Lord Phoebus wrote...

I'm generally pro-fitness but anti-sport. Exercise to improve your health and state of mind is great. Exercise that's going to cripple you and/or leave you on pain meds in twenty years is bad and IMO that's what the current sport culture is doing to athletes in several sports.


Well it does kind of go hand and hand., but when you get into the professional side the goal tends to be the best of the best. So they push themselves to the human bodies limit.  Competing at the highest levels is harsh on the body in some sports.
I do not believe that is a universal fact tho. Even growing up my coschs did not allow us to lift weights for strength. just for fitness due to what pushing a prebuesent body and the damage it can cause.
It comes down to these athletes coachs. Do they want to just in and sacrifice theses other people or look out for their athletes?

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Am I the only one who thinks that there may be too many swimming events, or that the swimming events are too similar? Phelps has19 medals now, there are currently two swimmers with 4 medals these Olympics (Schmitt and Coutts) and at least three swimmers with 3 medals each (Agnel, Lochte and Phelps). Either we're living in the golden age of swimming or some of these events are redundant.

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Uhate that it is the prime time. I get to see anything between rowing, soccer, basketball, fencing, judo etc etc etc... but the "prime time is swimming and gymnastics" while they cut any coverage to anything else. It sucks. Sucks hard.

I do respect that level of swimming. Maybe because I am a simple person but after 4-5 butterfly strokes I am done.

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BTW, what do people think about shuttlegate. The way I see it, strategy is part of the game. We didn't get to be the dominant species on the planet through brawn but brains. If you can increase your chances by losing you would be stupid not to. If they didn't want players to do this they should have randomized the draws and not announced them until after the round was complete.


I think it is shamefull. I play to win and when I play I want to play the best. I do not shrink away. I lost . I got beat.. I personally think that is wrong.

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Let's tone down the swearing and bickering, please.

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[quote]Lord Phoebus wrote...

I'm generally pro-fitness but anti-sport. Exercise to improve your health and state of mind is great. Exercise that's going to cripple you and/or leave you on pain meds in twenty years is bad and IMO that's what the current sport culture is doing to athletes in several sports.[/quote]

You're very wrong. Dara Torres[/quote] is a great example. An olympic Athlete who holds twelve olympic medals and at the age of 41 she won more medals and made olympic history by braking records. At 45, she claims she'll be training for the 2016 Brazilian olympics. She's in just as good shape if not better when she began her sport.

Charles Barkley[/quote] put it best when talking abotu the differences from the NBA in the 80's and 90's and the NBA today. There's been a huge leap in training methods, knowledge of diet, and understanding of recovery. Julius Erving (Dr. Jay) was considered the best in basketball. Then we got Michael Jordan. He was considered a god amongst men, then we got Lebron James.

Basically athletes that are around now wont have the issues athletes did in the 20's-70's have. Slowly we're learning more and more that allows us to be more athletic for longer. That's why we have competitions like Tough Mudder and The Spartan where guys in their 50's are running past 20 year olds drowning in their vomit on the obstacle course.

So no, you're gravely misinformed on this.

[quote]Am I the only one who thinks that there may be too many swimming events, or that the swimming events are too similar? Phelps has19 medals now, there are currently two swimmers with 4 medals these Olympics (Schmitt and Coutts) and at least three swimmers with 3 medals each (Agnel, Lochte and Phelps). Either we're living in the golden age of swimming or some of these events are redundant.[/quote]

It's called hard work. The races your talking about are entirely about speed. All this proves is that Phelps and Lochte train harder and smarter than most.

[quote]BTW, what do people think about shuttlegate. The way I see it, strategy is part of the game. We didn't get to be the dominant species on the planet through brawn but brains. If you can increase your chances by losing you would be stupid not to. If they didn't want players to do this they should have randomized the draws and not announced them until after the round was complete.[/quote]

We got to be dominant by being smarter than our enemy to beat them. Not by running away whenever proposed with a challenge. These are people who simply knew they couldn't cut it against their competition and wanted a sure thing. Luckily cheaters a;ways get caught with something as high profile as this.

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G.B. your up to 5 golds. Now they just need to get ahead of France.

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I feel like the swimming events are at just the right level this year. I went swimming earlier, and it feels good to be in the water, so I enjoy watching it. Football matches...I thought I had grown immune to all the banners by the far touchline, but it looks so nice without any adverts :)

Time for more swimming....

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Yeah there seems to be quite a lot of swimming events but the swimming events are pretty entertaining so I can't complain.

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Love the debate people. Keep it going!

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android654 wrote...

You're very wrong. Dara Torres is a great example. An olympic Athlete who holds twelve olympic medals and at the age of 41 she won more medals and made olympic history by braking records. At 45, she claims she'll be training for the 2016 Brazilian olympics. She's in just as good shape if not better when she began her sport.

Charles Barkley put it best when talking abotu the differences from the NBA in the 80's and 90's and the NBA today. There's been a huge leap in training methods, knowledge of diet, and understanding of recovery. Julius Erving (Dr. Jay) was considered the best in basketball. Then we got Michael Jordan. He was considered a god amongst men, then we got Lebron James.


Some sports are indeed crippling: to name a few, weightlifting and gymnastics. They have always been crippling and with the current trend of players over-training for medals.

It's called hard work. The races your talking about are entirely about speed. All this proves is that Phelps and Lochte train harder and smarter than most.


However when you look at other sports, say, basketball. There is only one medal for each gender. Why swimming has to have all kinds from 100m to 400m for every style, I have no idea.

We got to be dominant by being smarter than our enemy to beat them. Not by running away whenever proposed with a challenge. These are people who simply knew they couldn't cut it against their competition and wanted a sure thing. Luckily cheaters a;ways get caught with something as high profile as this.


However in this Olympic event there are lots of double standards around.
Philip Hindes even admitted himself that he crashed into other players on purpose to get a restart, but the UK officials simply dismissed his words as "lost in translation" and the gold was legit.

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However when you look at other sports, say, basketball. There is only one medal for each gender. Why swimming has to have all kinds from 100m to 400m for every style, I have no idea.


Because it really isn't the same to swim 100m and 400m for your body. Same goes for the different swimming styles. What you train is always very specific. The body adapts to what it's doing, and to nothing else. Short and long distances and the in-between distances all require different adaptations and training. When you want to win with a short distance, with sprinting, the last thing you want to do is train long distances. You'll mess up your sprinting ability.
The same can't be said about basketball. No match will exactly be the same, but the athlete's bodies have to perform roughly the same routines. You don't have different types of basketball, as far as I know. 

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android654 wrote...

 England doesn't have as much history as a lot of other countries do.


BS. You can't possibly be British yourself to assert something as stupid as that. That's utter bullsh*t, England, the British isles have one of the longest, most fascinating histories of all the countries in the world. From pre Roman to the modern era, hell you could even go back to the Neolithic era with Stonehenge! Yeah our ancient history is pretty much non-existant unlike Egypt, China or Greece. But ever since the dark ages Britain has had a turbulent, violent and all round fascinating history in terms of it's evolution. Over a thousand years of rebellion, conquest, civil wars, reforms and the like. One thing is for sure, Britain has a hell of alot more history than say the USA, whose history is also fascinating but very short, (less than 400 years) and probably a lot more history from wherever the hell you're from.

Next time think about what you type and avoid saying blatantly stupid things you don't have a clue about.

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KDD-0063 wrote...

android654 wrote...

You're very wrong. Dara Torres is a great example. An olympic Athlete who holds twelve olympic medals and at the age of 41 she won more medals and made olympic history by braking records. At 45, she claims she'll be training for the 2016 Brazilian olympics. She's in just as good shape if not better when she began her sport.

Charles Barkley put it best when talking about the differences from the NBA in the 80's and 90's and the NBA today. There's been a huge leap in training methods, knowledge of diet, and understanding of recovery. Julius Erving (Dr. Jay) was considered the best in basketball. Then we got Michael Jordan. He was considered a god amongst men, then we got Lebron James.


Some sports are indeed crippling: to name a few, weightlifting and gymnastics. They have always been crippling and with the current trend of players over-training for medals.


Ok, so you clearly did not look at either link. Charles Barkley noted the fact the when he was in his last season in the NBA, every team had at least one weight lifting coach since we now have the science and training to know the benefits of weight training. Dara Torres also weight trains. In the link provided she's even doing pullups with a 45lb plate. But let's ignore that, I've got more information anyway.

Here's Arnold at age 28 in 1975 and on the left at age 63.
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His sport isn't to blame, his lack of dedication to his sport, malnutrition and the abuse of drugs were to blame.

Here's Sylvester Stallone. On the left in the early 70's post Rocky, on the right at 63 training for the Expendables.
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Stallone is a lifelong athlete and body builder. Not only that, but he follows a paleo diet, a five day split and claims to get in about 8-10 hours of training a week.

See the difference? But perhaps you think he's not a valid contender because of his celebrity status. Ok, fine

Here's Dr. Jeffrey Life. Sports nutritionist and body builder.
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He like Stallone follows a Paleo diet and a five day split. At 73 he's won bodybuilding competitions and it still going strong.

The fact is no sport damages the body is the practitioner eats clean, performs properly, and recovers fully before progressing. This was something that was unheard of in the early days of the 20th century, which is why many of those athletes were creaking with every step at 40. They had the assumption you could smoke a pack of cigarettes, eat a slice of cake baked with lard and be fine if you swam a mile every other day. We're animals and the majority of our food is only found in the produce and meat section of the supermarket. Even then most of the produce people consume damages their bodies without even knowing why.

So, sorry charlie, but you're wrong on this one as well. We're designed like apes, and were intended to be as physical as they are in their old age. We messed that up, not sports.


However when you look at other sports, say, basketball. There is only one medal for each gender. Why swimming has to have all kinds from 100m to 400m for every style, I have no idea.


Fair enough. Perhaps they focus on swimming so much because of it's popularity. Even so, Phelps was dazzling in 2000 and in 04, even broke records this year. So we'll all keep watching.

However in this Olympic event there are lots of double standards around.
Philip Hindes even admitted himself that he crashed into other players on purpose to get a restart, but the UK officials simply dismissed his words as "lost in translation" and the gold was legit.


Perhaps Hindes wasn't as deliberate. Did you see the badminton events? It was blantantly obvious what they were doing which is why they were booted out. Either way, is Hindes did cheat he should be taken out as well.

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ME_Fan wrote...

android654 wrote...

 England doesn't have as much history as a lot of other countries do.


BS. You can't possibly be British yourself to assert something as stupid as that. That's utter bullsh*t, England, the British isles have one of the longest, most fascinating histories of all the countries in the world. From pre Roman to the modern era, hell you could even go back to the Neolithic era with Stonehenge! Yeah our ancient history is pretty much non-existant unlike Egypt, China or Greece. But ever since the dark ages Britain has had a turbulent, violent and all round fascinating history in terms of it's evolution. Over a thousand years of rebellion, conquest, civil wars, reforms and the like. One thing is for sure, Britain has a hell of alot more history than say the USA, whose history is also fascinating but very short, (less than 400 years) and probably a lot more history from wherever the hell you're from.

Next time think about what you type and avoid saying blatantly stupid things you don't have a clue about.


Yes, but you can't very well put on a show inviting the world to celebrate how you conquered parts of it. They had to leave out alot of the last few hundred years and what are they going to celebrate before that? Getting invaded by Rome or the Vikings? There's alot of history, but too much of it is bloody so it's not really the best thing for the Olympic opening.

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Druss99 wrote...

ME_Fan wrote...

android654 wrote...

 England doesn't have as much history as a lot of other countries do.


BS. You can't possibly be British yourself to assert something as stupid as that. That's utter bullsh*t, England, the British isles have one of the longest, most fascinating histories of all the countries in the world. From pre Roman to the modern era, hell you could even go back to the Neolithic era with Stonehenge! Yeah our ancient history is pretty much non-existant unlike Egypt, China or Greece. But ever since the dark ages Britain has had a turbulent, violent and all round fascinating history in terms of it's evolution. Over a thousand years of rebellion, conquest, civil wars, reforms and the like. One thing is for sure, Britain has a hell of alot more history than say the USA, whose history is also fascinating but very short, (less than 400 years) and probably a lot more history from wherever the hell you're from.

Next time think about what you type and avoid saying blatantly stupid things you don't have a clue about.


Yes, but you can't very well put on a show inviting the world to celebrate how you conquered parts of it. They had to leave out alot of the last few hundred years and what are they going to celebrate before that? Getting invaded by Rome or the Vikings? There's alot of history, but too much of it is bloody so it's not really the best thing for the Olympic opening.


Yeah you're completely right much of it isn't really appropriate but that's beside the point I was trying to make. I was addressing someone who made an ingorant, misinformed and almost insulting comment which they clearly had no clue about the history of the British Isles. 

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ME_Fan wrote...

Druss99 wrote...

ME_Fan wrote...

android654 wrote...

 England doesn't have as much history as a lot of other countries do.


BS. You can't possibly be British yourself to assert something as stupid as that. That's utter bullsh*t, England, the British isles have one of the longest, most fascinating histories of all the countries in the world. From pre Roman to the modern era, hell you could even go back to the Neolithic era with Stonehenge! Yeah our ancient history is pretty much non-existant unlike Egypt, China or Greece. But ever since the dark ages Britain has had a turbulent, violent and all round fascinating history in terms of it's evolution. Over a thousand years of rebellion, conquest, civil wars, reforms and the like. One thing is for sure, Britain has a hell of alot more history than say the USA, whose history is also fascinating but very short, (less than 400 years) and probably a lot more history from wherever the hell you're from.

Next time think about what you type and avoid saying blatantly stupid things you don't have a clue about.


Yes, but you can't very well put on a show inviting the world to celebrate how you conquered parts of it. They had to leave out alot of the last few hundred years and what are they going to celebrate before that? Getting invaded by Rome or the Vikings? There's alot of history, but too much of it is bloody so it's not really the best thing for the Olympic opening.




Yeah you're completely right much of it is'nt really appropriate but that's beside the point I was trying to make. I was addressing someone who made an ingorant, misinformed and almost insulting comment which they clearly had no clue about.


You need to learn contextual reading. I was comparing to China and Greece. Are you really going to claim that 1500 years is more than 5 to 6 thousand years of history and culture that China and Greece both have?

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I don't doubt that China and Greece have way more history than Britain, at all. But, "a lot of other countries"? That's false, compared to most, the British Isles have a very long, turbulent and interesting history. So comments like "England doesn't have as much history as a lot of other countries do." aren't appreciated.

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ME_Fan wrote...

I don't doubt that China and Greece have way more history than Britain, at all. But, "a lot of other countries"? That's false, compared to most, the British Isles have a very long, turbulent and interesting history. So comments like "England doesn't have as much history as a lot of other countries do." aren't appreciated.


A lot doesn't mean most. But in the continent of Africa alone, there are more than enough countries that have had cultures that stretch back thousands of years before the common era. Keep in mind that all of the history of the indigenous peoples of the British isles are all but lost due to the ravages of the Romans and time. Which is why the british history is usually referred to as beginning at the fifth century. Any culture that begins after the common era is still quite new compared to many cultures around the planet.

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android654 wrote...

ME_Fan wrote...

I don't doubt that China and Greece have way more history than Britain, at all. But, "a lot of other countries"? That's false, compared to most, the British Isles have a very long, turbulent and interesting history. So comments like "England doesn't have as much history as a lot of other countries do." aren't appreciated.


A lot doesn't mean most. But in the continent of Africa alone, there are more than enough countries that have had cultures that stretch back thousands of years before the common era. Keep in mind that all of the history of the indigenous peoples of the British isles are all but lost due to the ravages of the Romans and time. Which is why the british history is usually referred to as beginning at the fifth century. Any culture that begins after the common era is still quite new compared to many cultures around the planet.


Culture=/=History. I'm not talking about the culture of Britain, I'm talking about it's History, and plus you can't say that modern Greek or Chinese culture is the same culture as what it was 4,000 years ago. Basically what you're saying is that because they have more prehistoric physical remains to show, they somehow have more heritage, more 'culture'  than Britain. Modern British culture has just as many links to it's history as Greece or China, and the British people have just as much heritage and identity as the Greeks or Chinese. You're forgetting that many of the oldest proper man-made structures (discounting post holes and piles of rubble) that are still standing are found in the British Isles.
 
But, It doesn't matter if we don't have much left physically, we've still got a hell of a history, 5000 years is more than most and a damn lot more than most of Africa, even if our culture is 'quite new' as you say. Even if you only count,
-Dark Ages Britain
-Medieval Britain
-Tudor Britain
-Early Modern Britain
-Imperial Britain
-Industrial/Victorian Britain
-Modern Britain

That's still a damn lot more history than most places.

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