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[Lord Phoebus]

[quote]android654 wrote...

You're very wrong. Dara Torres[/quote] is a great example. An olympic Athlete who holds twelve olympic medals and at the age of 41 she won more medals and made olympic history by braking records. At 45, she claims she'll be training for the 2016 Brazilian olympics. She's in just as good shape if not better when she began her sport.

Charles Barkley[/quote] put it best when talking abotu the differences from the NBA in the 80's and 90's and the NBA today. There's been a huge leap in training methods, knowledge of diet, and understanding of recovery. Julius Erving (Dr. Jay) was considered the best in basketball. Then we got Michael Jordan. He was considered a god amongst men, then we got Lebron James.
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It's easy to find exceptions, because there are a few athletes that get through their careers without crippling injuries, but these are the exceptions rather than the rule.  For every George Foreman and Sugar Ray Leonard, there are 100 other boxers with brain injuries and blood clots.

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Basically athletes that are around now wont have the issues athletes did in the 20's-70's have. Slowly we're learning more and more that allows us to be more athletic for longer. That's why we have competitions like Tough Mudder and The Spartan where guys in their 50's are running past 20 year olds drowning in their vomit on the obstacle course.
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You have to stop reading sports magazine articles.  The basic facts are there are tissues in are bodies that are acellular and/or avascular, once these tissues are damaged they don't heal or the body heals them with scar tissue (articular cartilage is a prime example of this).  There is no dietary supplement or physiotherapy that will heal that damage, it will get worse and it will eventually need surgical intervention (typically joint replacement).  There are other tissues that are senescent or quiescent (like muscle or nerves) that also don't remodel properly after injury, once these are injured they never heal to a state comperable to pre-injury (sciatica is the most common lasting injury).

If you take a material and subject it to higher stresses and forces over longer periods of time (like training to break world records) it will wear down faster; that's material science 101.  In Basketball, large men running on hardwood (and often concrete or asphalt courts when they were learning the game) will have knee, hip and lower back injuries.  This will also apply to most runners.  Gymnasts ruin their bodies.  Weightlifters (there is a difference between wieghtlifters and bodybuilders, learn it), will have joint and disc issues as well as cardiac issues because their bodies have to pump blood while they're lifting those heavy weights.

While there are some advanced physiotherapy, training and dietary techniques to help athletes, most atheletes won't benefit from these until they reach the collegiate level of training, by then the damage has already been done.  With advances in tissue engineering and biomedical implants, todays athletes may lead better lives than the athletes of yore, but the injuries they sustain will be as bad and worse.

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It's called hard work. The races your talking about are entirely about speed. All this proves is that Phelps and Lochte train harder and smarter than most.
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If it was one or two athletes every couple of games I would agree, you have 5 or 6 athletes in a single olympics medalling in 5 or 6 sports each.  That says that the training is so similar between events that perhaps some of the distances should be eliminated.  Maybe they should just have the 100 m, 400 m and 1500 m instead of the 50 m, 100 m, 200 m, 400 m and 1500 m), or they should add  50m and 150m sprints so that the track stars can get more medals.

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We got to be dominant by being smarter than our enemy to beat them. Not by running away whenever proposed with a challenge. These are people who simply knew they couldn't cut it against their competition and wanted a sure thing. Luckily cheaters a;ways get caught with something as high profile as this.

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No, these were the best in world, they wanted draws so that they would only face their country men in the finals instead of having to knock them out and only win one medal for their countries.  As others have pointed out, this happens in many sports and is a problem with having a round-robin round prior to the ladder matches (just ask FIFA).  I can't blame the athletes for this, the tournament organizers created a situation where the athletes would benefit their country by losing.  These athletes didn't train to win a match, they trained to win the tournament for their countries and themselves.  Asking anyone to play their best when they have the intellectual knowledge that losing will benefit them more is wrong.

[Kaiser Arian XVII]

Not a single medal for my nation yet ... I wonder if they screw up with only few medals like in Beijing.

[RAF1940]

The Americans have really impressed me by getting ahead of China in both the overall count and the gold count.

[android654]

Lord Phoebus wrote...
It's easy to find exceptions, because there are a few athletes that get through their careers without crippling injuries, but these are the exceptions rather than the rule.  For every George Foreman and Sugar Ray Leonard, there are 100 other boxers with brain injuries and blood clots.

Didn't check the links, did ya? Charles Barkley, in that clip from about 2 years, was in terrible shape. And he's not necessarily back in game form. What he did say was lack of dedication to the sport and loss of interest caused him to lose his form. George Foreman is another person who stopped with his sport once he officially retired from boxing. Sugar Ray Leonard, didn't See the difference?

You have to stop reading sports magazine articles.  The basic facts are there are tissues in are bodies that are acellular and/or avascular, once these tissues are damaged they don't heal or the body heals them with scar tissue (articular cartilage is a prime example of this).  There is no dietary supplement or physiotherapy that will heal that damage, it will get worse and it will eventually need surgical intervention (typically joint replacement).  There are other tissues that are senescent or quiescent (like muscle or nerves) that also don't remodel properly after injury, once these are injured they never heal to a state comperable to pre-injury (sciatica is the most common lasting injury).

If you take a material and subject it to higher stresses and forces over longer periods of time (like training to break world records) it will wear down faster; that's material science 101.  In Basketball, large men running on hardwood (and often concrete or asphalt courts when they were learning the game) will have knee, hip and lower back injuries.  This will also apply to most runners.  Gymnasts ruin their bodies.  Weightlifters (there is a difference between wieghtlifters and bodybuilders, learn it), will have joint and disc issues as well as cardiac issues because their bodies have to pump blood while they're lifting those heavy weights.

While there are some advanced physiotherapy, training and dietary techniques to help athletes, most atheletes won't benefit from these until they reach the collegiate level of training, by then the damage has already been done.  With advances in tissue engineering and biomedical implants, todays athletes may lead better lives than the athletes of yore, but the injuries they sustain will be as bad and worse.

Have you read the works of Dr. Loren Cordain M.D.? Dr. Jeffrey Life M.D.? Robb Wolf? Dr. Doug McGuff M.D.?

I'm assuming you haven't. I have, and I'll spare you the very technical bits and but it simply. muscle fibers are not replaced by scar tissue. That's where the consumption of protien enters into equation. The human body, like all other organisms are designed to heal and repair with efficiency, not limping along. So with the the proper nutrion and recovery methods, all studied and proven by the doctors mentioned above and many others, can train for several hours a day for months at a time, and recover properly to be able to perform again in several months.

No, these were the best in world, they wanted draws so that they would only face their country men in the finals instead of having to knock them out and only win one medal for their countries.  As others have pointed out, this happens in many sports and is a problem with having a round-robin round prior to the ladder matches (just ask FIFA).  I can't blame the athletes for this, the tournament organizers created a situation where the athletes would benefit their country by losing.  These athletes didn't train to win a match, they trained to win the tournament for their countries and themselves.  Asking anyone to play their best when they have the intellectual knowledge that losing will benefit them more is wrong.

Of course it's wrong. It's wrong to intentionally perform badly in order to help another team advance. It's called taking a dive and every sports league has rules against it for a reason.

[Gotholhorakh]

ME_Fan wrote...

android654 wrote...

ME_Fan wrote...

I don't doubt that China and Greece have way more history than Britain, at all. But, "a lot of other countries"? That's false, compared to most, the British Isles have a very long, turbulent and interesting history. So comments like "England doesn't have as much history as a lot of other countries do." aren't appreciated.

A lot doesn't mean most. But in the continent of Africa alone, there are more than enough countries that have had cultures that stretch back thousands of years before the common era. Keep in mind that all of the history of the indigenous peoples of the British isles are all but lost due to the ravages of the Romans and time. Which is why the british history is usually referred to as beginning at the fifth century. Any culture that begins after the common era is still quite new compared to many cultures around the planet.

Culture=/=History. I'm not talking about the culture of Britain, I'm talking about it's History, and plus you can't say that modern Greek or Chinese culture is the same culture as what it was 4,000 years ago. Basically what you're saying is that because they have more prehistoric physical remains to show, they somehow have more heritage, more 'culture'  than Britain. Modern British culture has just as many links to it's history as Greece or China, and the British people have just as much heritage and identity as the Greeks or Chinese. You're forgetting that many of the oldest proper man-made structures (discounting post holes and piles of rubble) that are still standing are found in the British Isles.
 
But, It doesn't matter if we don't have much left physically, we've still got a hell of a history, 5000 years is more than most and a damn lot more than most of Africa, even if our culture is 'quite new' as you say. Even if you only count,
-Dark Ages Britain
-Medieval Britain
-Tudor Britain
-Early Modern Britain
-Imperial Britain
-Industrial/Victorian Britain
-Modern Britain

That's still a damn lot more history than most places.

I think you're missing the point. The comment was self-evidently uninformed and groundless in the first place, like "the sky is green and the grass is blue" wrong. Anyone with some time and access to a library could find a wealth of culture to make a lie of it, and any 11 year old child would be scolded by their history teacher for confusing culture with history - or timespan of recorded history with the amount and significance of material available for reference.

The point was not, as far as can be surmised, to be accurate (else the poster wouldn't have started referring to British history as "English history"), but to traduce the country in question for some reason. No point in arguing against that.

The gist being "there is not enough source material in all of British history and culture to reference for a short presentation because of the timeline of recorded history (I wrongly think there is) of England(which isn't even quite the right place actually)"...

...if you expend enough energy to show how silly that is, I suspect something even sillier will take its place to explain Britain's utter paucity of history and culture (LOL).

Modifié par Gotholhorakh, 04 août 2012 - 12:21 .

[Himo]

Went down to see the Judo and have a nosey around the capital this past week. Never been to London before, enjoyed all the sights and had a good time!

GB owned the track tonight, 3 gold medals in one session for the first time ever. Farah, Ennis and Rutherford did us all proud. If you divide medals by population we are top of the table! Haha

[addiction21]

Himo wrote...

Went down to see the Judo and have a nosey around the capital this past week. Never been to London before, enjoyed all the sights and had a good time!

GB owned the track tonight, 3 gold medals in one session for the first time ever. Farah, Ennis and Rutherford did us all proud. If you divide medals by population we are top of the table! Haha

Your mens Football team still lost to South Korea That was a hell of a game. Anyone could of came out ahead in that one.
Almost as bad as thinking the Mens U.S. basektball  vs. Lithuania was so close. Then the Females triathelon came down to a phote finish. Been some great event today.

P.S.
I can't wait to try out that phrase on this side of the pond. "have a noesy"

[Ghost Lightning]

I really hope Bolt wins 2morrow. My dad's from jamaica and he loves that guy.

[Himo]

addiction21 wrote...

Himo wrote...

Went down to see the Judo and have a nosey around the capital this past week. Never been to London before, enjoyed all the sights and had a good time!

GB owned the track tonight, 3 gold medals in one session for the first time ever. Farah, Ennis and Rutherford did us all proud. If you divide medals by population we are top of the table! Haha

Your mens Football team still lost to South Korea That was a hell of a game. Anyone could of came out ahead in that one.
Almost as bad as thinking the Mens U.S. basektball  vs. Lithuania was so close. Then the Females triathelon came down to a phote finish. Been some great event today.

P.S.
I can't wait to try out that phrase on this side of the pond. "have a noesy"

It's not as bad as you might think. USA basketball is the best team in the world by a long, long, long way. However, England and Wales are not that great at football even though it's our national game.

We do have some good sayings over here

[Ninja Stan]

Canada won its first gold medal of these Games, in trampoline! Woohoo!

[Dutchess]

And Usain Bolt has done it again. Incredible race, although unfortunately not a world record.

[slimgrin]

Why are there so many great sprinters from Jamaica of late?

[Ninja Stan]

Maybe Jamaica saw the success of Usain Bolt and put more funding into athletics programs in the last few years. Maybe more potential champions are being recognized and groomed for competition now. Maybe ghosts. Who knows?

[deuce985]

I enjoy watching Kessy and Ross. That short Czech girl was hot! And really surprising with her digging! That would be pretty crazy if beach vollleyball ends up USA vs. USA in gold?

[android654]

Just rewatched Jessica Ennis' run, since I missed it earlier today. Nothing short of awesomeness on her part. Also want to see Bolt take the gold.

[Abraham_uk]

Just great. Great successes from all the nations taking part.

If your nation hasn't won anything, there's still plenty of time.

It's so amazing to have so many nations come here. Still overwhelmed.

[Fishy]

When you think about it. It`s funny that one of the most basic ability human have learned to do (running) .. It`s so popular and cherished everywhere. i guess it`s entertaining to watch and easy to understand. ..

[Kaiser Arian XVII]

http://s4.reutersmed...55K-ROUNDS-DAY9

Deal with it fake Azerbaijan! lol (Read some history if you don't get it!)

1 Gold and 1 Bronze for now. We expect more medals

[Ghost Lightning]

Woot. Bolt punished them again

[Blastback]

Ghost Lightning wrote...

Woot. Bolt punished them again

Did he tone down the theatrics this time?  I honestly couldn't cheer for him because of them.

[android654]

I can guarantee with almost complete certainty that people who complain about athletes being "arrogant" or showboats have never competed in sports in their entire life.

[Blastback]

android654 wrote...

I can guarantee with almost complete certainty that people who complain about athletes being "arrogant" or showboats have never competed in sports in their entire life.

I did as a kid.  I just sucked.

And I don't mind him being excited, but honesly, the possing just annoys me. 

Modifié par Blastback, 06 août 2012 - 08:44 .

[aries1001]

Just a quick comment from a Dane here, from Denmark.

In Omnium, the Danes have won a gold medal, Jonas H. Cristensen won silver in dingy?, and 3 medals in lightweigh single and doublesculler, as well as a couple of medals in badmintion. Denmark is small country which only has about 5,5 million inhabitants.....Try and divide 8 medals into that

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Amazing that Great Britain in the course of an hour took 3 gold medals yesterday Congratulations.

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Norway and Sweden both won medals today, one in rowing, the other one in Laser Race (men).Congratulations Cyprus won silver while Australia won gold Congratulations.
http://www.reuters.c...E8J6DI420120806

In Fencing, Italy won the team competetion, Germany came in third, with Japan to win the second place. However, a drama arose in the match between Japan and Germany where the German fencer clearly hit the japanese fencer.....two times.....then the japanese fencer hit the german fencer.......while the german fence hit the japanese fencer as well. The refereees gave Japan the victory..... However, the German team was mentally strong and won their bronze-medal-fight...
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Anyway, as I watch the OL 2012 from London each day, it seems very relaxed and that everyone are having a great time It seems the OL 2012 are very British in term of making sure everyone has a good time and are just enjoying themselves

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PS: Congratulations to Iran on winning the first gold medal in wrestling:
http://articles.chic...n-74kg-category

Modifié par aries1001, 06 août 2012 - 09:04 .

[android654]

Blastback wrote...

android654 wrote...

I can guarantee with almost complete certainty that people who complain about athletes being "arrogant" or showboats have never competed in sports in their entire life.

I did as a kid.  I just sucked.

And I don't mind him being excited, but honesly, the possing just annoys me. 

If you walk into any competitive sport, and do not have the mind set that tells you that  you're the best person in history at this sport then you will fail. If you're aware of your shortcomings and are overly humble for everyone that loses, it projects the notion that someone is better than you. If someone can perform better than you, what are you doing competing? That's all it boils down to. Why compete if everyone you're facing is your equal and you all have the same standing?

Muhammad Ali was serious when he said he was th greatest. He never said, "I'm Muhammad Ali, and I'm just as good as the rest of you, since we all share flaws and short comings."

[Abraham_uk]

Blastback wrote...

android654 wrote...

I can guarantee with almost complete certainty that people who complain about athletes being "arrogant" or showboats have never competed in sports in their entire life.

I did as a kid.  I just sucked.

And I don't mind him being excited, but honesly, the possing just annoys me. 

All that posing is quite amusing. At least for me.
I saw Usain Bolt being so confident that he could leave the block a second late and still win the race.
He also did his silly poses.
I like Usain Bolt. He is very charismatic. But at the same time, he reminds me of the annoying guy in sports films that the unknown protagonist is trying to beat. The annoying guy is always amazing and always smug.
So when the unkown protagonist finally beats the popular and smug annoying guy, you get a sense of satisfaction.
I watch too many sports films.