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[iSousek]

http://masseffect.wi...CE_-_2186_CE.29

there is obviously some period of time beetween

a) When you meet Thane

Go on suicide mission

c) Arrival

d) ME3

So, it is quite possible that those 8-12 months have passed since you've met him.

[Dark_Caduceus]

Just throw it in the big heap of "Mass Effect plot holes". You get a faulty character portrayal if you trade in three plot holes.

[giftfish]

Skirata129 wrote...

I'm currently replaying Mass Effect 2 and in one of the conversations with Thane, he says he will be competely healthy for another 8 to 12 months before his condition begins to deteriorate. Later, in Mass Effect 3 he says that he is already well beyond the estimated date when he should have died, despite ME3 taking place a mere 6 months following ME2.

Did someone on the Dev team forget how to count?

Ah, yes.  Welcome to the world of ME3 plotholes and the butchering of the wonderful character that was Thane Krios.  Bioware seems to have had some serious issues with third-installment myopia in ME3, as issues like this abound.

Plenty of deep discussion of this plot inaccuracy, and the numerous others (pertaining to Thane)  in the 2 Thane threads in the character and romance section.

[Conniving_Eagle]

iSousek wrote...

http://masseffect.wi...CE_-_2186_CE.29

there is obviously some period of time beetween

a) When you meet Thane

Go on suicide mission

c) Arrival

d) ME3

So, it is quite possible that those 8-12 months have passed since you've met him.

Thane is one of the last people you meet in Mass Effect 2. Time between Mass Effect 2 and Mass Effect 3 is 6 months.

Oddly enough, in Mass Effect 3, Thane tells you his favorite doctor told him he has 3 months to live 9 months ago (or was it 6?).

They could easily do a DLC were we get the cure for Kepral's syndrome. That's how they opened up LotSB. Liara expected to be hunting the Shadow Broker for possibly years. *DLC installed* Oh hey, look, TIM conviniently found information that will help Liara find the SB.

[sth128]

It really depends on how long the events of ME2 took. In my view it happened over the course of 6 months. Assuming Thane was recruited roughly at the beginning of the journey, that means almost a year has passed (6 months mission, 6 months waiting).

This fits the 12 months prognosis Thane was given before the start of ME2.

[Conniving_Eagle]

Mass Effect 2 takes two years and three months after the events of Mass Effect 1.

There was also that one month Shepard spent hunting the geth, we don't know if that needs to be taken into account as well. The Thane timeline is messed up, though.

[Gruntburner]

He said he would still be effective in combat. His condition is continuously deteriorating, but he can still fight for 8 to 12 months. ME3 takes place an unspecified amount of time after ME2 and he is still combat effective, considering his death.

[2Shepards]

Love Op's that wear my sigs...hehe sorry OT

[comrade gando]

I absolutely hated how his prayer before he died was about the "lost never being alone"

well shepard is alone and he is certainly lost right now, so... pointless death was pointless? help me out here thane. oh wait bioware would rather have their art.

well their art sucks.

[jlocohustler]

Hell I could make a list of all the plotholes in ME3 but what's done's done, Bioware screwed up big time with ME3 and I hope they stop screwing around in the future and start making great games like they were doing long ago.

Maybe there's no Bioware no more but more like EAware.

[Han Shot First]

comrade gando wrote...

I absolutely hated how his prayer before he died was about the "lost never being alone"

well shepard is alone and he is certainly lost right now, so... pointless death was pointless? help me out here thane. oh wait bioware would rather have their art.

well their art sucks.

Disagree.

Thane's death scene was one of the best and most emotional scenes of the entire series. Fans who want rainbows and butterflies for every character are wrong.

[RShara]

@Han: Sure, for a broShep. For a RomancedShep it was sort of.........lacking.

Anyway back on topic, yes the timeline is a plot hole. Here is an analysis made by one of us Protesters, which is also in my Story Arc Thread.

Thane mentions in HM, "My favorite doctor gave me three months to live....nine months ago." But this is a mess up of previous established time-lines that BW themselves originally created. So, I am going to set up the time line based on the conversation Shepard has with Tali on the Citadel where she states that it has been exactly three years since Shepard met her in the back alley of the wards on the Citadel. So working with that in-game timeline, here is a "reasonable" scenario to consider:

We have 3 years from getting Tali in ME1 to the conversation with Tali on the Citadel in me3
We can immediately subtract from that timeline the following:

a) 2 years for dead/rebuilding Shepard
6 months house arrest between ME2 and me3
c) 1 month (roughly; my general assumption) from the time you start ME2 to getting Thane

When we first recruit Thane he says he will be fine for the next 8 -12 months (fine means active in my opinion, and after that he is too weak to fight. NOT that he will be DEAD in 8-12 months....the fact that he says "fine" and not "dead" is key.)

Thus far, we have the following:
3 years
- 2 years 1 month
- 6 months
- 1 month
---------------
4 months

5) I have seen others post this before, that it is believed that ME1 took place over only a couple of months, while ME2 was longer. I admit I am not working on anything official, so if anyone has any in-game hints referring to length of time for ME1, please let me know. For now, I will use previous posters comments on this, till I can get a better verification. Based on everything we know in the two games, I would follow this is probably correct; roughly 2 months for ME1 (at least AFTER Eden Prime), and the 4 months for ME2. (don't forget, that even though the current total is at 5 months, I had already subtracted one month for time BEFORE getting Thane, in ME2).

So, the general timeline would appear as such:
a) First visit to the Citadel in ME1 to the time of Shepards death, roughly 2 months.
2 Years pass till Shepard is resurrected
c) 1 month pass until we get Thane
d) Thane says he will be fine for the next 8-12 months
e) 3 months till the end of the SM
f) 6 months house arrest
g) 1 month till we finally get to speak to Thane at Huerta

So, total number of months from the original "I should be fine for the next 8 -12 months" is: 10 Months

Yes, I do realize I am taking some liberty here, but working on the in-game info that Tali gives us in me3, and using other "known" timelines in game, this seems like a fair breakdown.

This clearly puts Thane still in the window of being "fine"....and anyone who has had sick family/friends or been sick themselves knows that those terminal estimations are generally the average. Lasting a few months longer is not out of the realm of possibility. Because this is the timeline I would have expected them to follow (instead of making up the babble that comes out of Thane's mouth about "3 months to live, 9 months ago"), I would argue that even without a cure/life extention, he shouldn't have been considered "waiting to die" to begin with.

[Conniving_Eagle]

@RShara

2 years and 3 months, actually.

[RShara]

@Conniving_Eagle: For the time between the Citadel battle and Shepard's resurrection?

[Han Shot First]

RShara wrote...

@Han: Sure, for a broShep. For a RomancedShep it was sort of.........lacking.

I play as broShep, but I have watched the death scene with a Fem Shep that was his LI on youtube. And I agree. While I don't think there should have been an option to cure Thane, I think the death could have been much better handled with those who had him as their Shep's LI. There should have been more romance-specific dialogue in that scene, and the squadmates should have later mentioned both the death and the fact that Shepard may be grieving.

Thanemancers should have had the oppurtunity to play Shep as the mourning/avenging widow so to speak.

[Love Sherri]

Han Shot First wrote...

comrade gando wrote...

I absolutely hated how his prayer before he died was about the "lost never being alone"

well shepard is alone and he is certainly lost right now, so... pointless death was pointless? help me out here thane. oh wait bioware would rather have their art.

well their art sucks.

Disagree.

Thane's death scene was one of the best and most emotional scenes of the entire series. Fans who want rainbows and butterflies for every character are wrong.

Disagree, based on my personal opinion.

Thane was my favorite character outside of Garrus, and even I thought the death scene was lacking.  I didn't even feel close to shedding a tear. I was like.... "that's it?"  The only drell character we get.... and he hardly get to see him.  They had opportunity to greatly introduce so many new things with his background and ancestry, but never touched it.

Mordin's death, especially the renegade option which is almost evil, takes the cake on emotions.  

[xxBabyMonkeyxx]

They forgot how to count in DA2, what makes you think they would remember how to count in ME3?
Me: "Any explaintion for all these plot holes BioWare?"
BioWare: "Space Magic!!! :wizard:"
Me: " *faceplam*...Yay...<_<"

Modifié par xxBabyMonkeyxx, 29 juillet 2012 - 12:34 .

[Conniving_Eagle]

RShara wrote...

@Conniving_Eagle: For the time between the Citadel battle and Shepard's resurrection?

Atleast. Avina mentions it was been 2 years 3 months and something days since Shepard had last been to the Citadel.

[David7204]

Oh my god. People. This is not that god-damned hard. Thane saw multiple doctors. Multiple. Doctors. Maybe I need to type that slower. He only told Shepard the most dire diagnosis to make a wry joke. Gallows humor. Anyone know what that is?

That's the joke. He lived longer than the most dire diagnosis. Because it wouldn't be a joke if he told Shepard about the best case diagnosis.

Modifié par David7204, 28 juillet 2012 - 09:59 .

[David7204]

If you have issues with the timeline, it should be focused on Tali's "three years to day" comment. Not this rubbish.

[AlienWolf728]

xsdob wrote...

Bill Casey wrote...

He really shouldn't have opted for those "underwater aerobics" classes...

LoL. they even tell him to not wear a shirt and to keep his chest exposed to the air to stop moisture from building up. Probably shoudln't have dressed him like this than.



Whoops.

Adam Jensen? IS THAT YOU?!

(Edit: this disease, I NEVER ASKED FOR THIS)

Modifié par AlienWolf728, 28 juillet 2012 - 10:31 .

[WarGriffin]

Love Sherri wrote...

Han Shot First wrote...

comrade gando wrote...

I absolutely hated how his prayer before he died was about the "lost never being alone"

well shepard is alone and he is certainly lost right now, so... pointless death was pointless? help me out here thane. oh wait bioware would rather have their art.

well their art sucks.

Disagree.

Thane's death scene was one of the best and most emotional scenes of the entire series. Fans who want rainbows and butterflies for every character are wrong.

Disagree, based on my personal opinion.

Thane was my favorite character outside of Garrus, and even I thought the death scene was lacking.  I didn't even feel close to shedding a tear. I was like.... "that's it?"  The only drell character we get.... and he hardly get to see him.  They had opportunity to greatly introduce so many new things with his background and ancestry, but never touched it.

Mordin's death, especially the renegade option which is almost evil, takes the cake on emotions.  

almost as in it lacks shepard having an evil mustache and laughing...


Renegade Shepard was really a dropped ball in ME3 -Watch as I take sadistic glee in knowing i slaughtered a whole race on Rannoch!-

[WarGriffin]

AlienWolf728 wrote...

xsdob wrote...

Bill Casey wrote...

He really shouldn't have opted for those "underwater aerobics" classes...

LoL. they even tell him to not wear a shirt and to keep his chest exposed to the air to stop moisture from building up. Probably shoudln't have dressed him like this than.



Whoops.

Adam Jensen? IS THAT YOU?!

(Edit: this disease, I NEVER ASKED FOR THIS)

... why didn't thane just get a set of synthetic lungs?