Well.. I'm not gonna buy it (I don't see the replay value in games like that and Heavy Rain). It seems to be more of an interactive story than an actual game, but I can understand why some people would find it cool. I am impressed by it, I'll admit that.
What convinced me that video games are art.
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#52
Posté 29 juillet 2012 - 06:13
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Yeah, Quantic Dream's games definitely prioritize the interactive element and aesthetics over all. I feel they play more like a Choose-Your-Own-Adventure cinematic than more traditional games.
I'm not sure about others, but I have to agree with you M25105. Replay value is pretty low in these types of games, but, on the contrary, the immersion is pretty great. I'm getting the same kind of vibes from Telltale's TWD game.
Maybe consider renting or borrowing the games, instead? That way you get to try it out and experience the story, without having to worry about a makeshift paperweight afterwards.
I'm not sure about others, but I have to agree with you M25105. Replay value is pretty low in these types of games, but, on the contrary, the immersion is pretty great. I'm getting the same kind of vibes from Telltale's TWD game.
Maybe consider renting or borrowing the games, instead? That way you get to try it out and experience the story, without having to worry about a makeshift paperweight afterwards.
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Posté 29 juillet 2012 - 08:12
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If you really want to be conviced that some video games are art, take look at Okami and Shadow of Colosus.
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Posté 29 juillet 2012 - 08:19
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Yeah some games are art. Some games are artistic. Most video games are made by artistic people. But it isn't something you hang up in a gallery. Consumerism plays a big role in the subject matter and story. That can be a bad thing- when more boobs and explosions equal more money. But it can also be a good thing- ehem realizing artistic integrity isn't enough to keep the mass effect endings as they are.
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Posté 29 juillet 2012 - 09:34
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One of the most recognized and praised works of art in the modern era is a Can of Soup.
The whole "games as art" debate has always annoyed me to no end for a variety of reasons.
The whole "games as art" debate has always annoyed me to no end for a variety of reasons.
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Posté 29 juillet 2012 - 10:38
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Sorry, but pouring your heart and soul into a project doesnt make it art. If that was simply the case everything could be considered art because some people have spent years of their lives on ideas, dreams and projects. I wouldn't consider a new economic model art.
In terms of Mass effect 3 its primary goal is still entertainment. People buy games to be entertained. If people arn't then there is a problem. Hiding behind a subjective stance of "art" when people are disappointed has just shown to me how games are not art and are still a long way to becoming art. Yes they can be visually pleasing, but that just adds ambiance to the games primary function, to entertain.
In terms of Mass effect 3 its primary goal is still entertainment. People buy games to be entertained. If people arn't then there is a problem. Hiding behind a subjective stance of "art" when people are disappointed has just shown to me how games are not art and are still a long way to becoming art. Yes they can be visually pleasing, but that just adds ambiance to the games primary function, to entertain.
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Posté 29 juillet 2012 - 01:43
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I build sets for my schools plays (< something that is considered art), yet i have never look at my set and said it was art and i know when people preform the playit is not art. I know that the play as a written piece (the script) is the art... now to connect that to videogames it doesn't matter what it looks like or how its acted out but instead how its written since if a game is poorly written no matter the level of success then its art in the same way Mein Kampf is, popular and terrible and for all the wrong reasons.
p.s. my most recent play was cabaret and i had our fake mein kampf on my prop table so it came to mind thats all.
p.s. my most recent play was cabaret and i had our fake mein kampf on my prop table so it came to mind thats all.
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Posté 29 juillet 2012 - 02:08
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M U P P 3 T Z wrote...
Sappy it may be, but that's not what the point of the video was. Quantic Dream wasn't trying to boast that the tech demo had the best story or a realistic (lol?) premise. The concept of robots becoming sentient is something that has been used a ridiculous amount of times in science fiction. Everyone and their mother knows that it isn't original. Even Quantic Dream.
The purpose of the tech demo is to show how realistic the engine is able to portray emotions, primarily in regards to facial animation. And whether you like the story or not (clearly you don't), the capabilities of the engine is pretty damn impressive. It's definitely a step up from what's currently available in this console cycle, including L.A Noire's MotionScan.
What is pretentious is acting like it's stupid for people to consider something aesthetically and, perhaps emotionally, moving solely on the basis of "Oh, I've seen this before and it's impossible trollolol." Welcome to the world of fiction.
Yeah, sorry I got a bit full of myself for a moment there (I hope it doesn't insult someone or touch their feelings).
edit: and I can relate to it as a tech demo. It can be pretty neat in that perspective.
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Posté 29 juillet 2012 - 02:12
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Captain Crash wrote...
Sorry, but pouring your heart and soul into a project doesnt make it art. If that was simply the case everything could be considered art because some people have spent years of their lives on ideas, dreams and projects. I wouldn't consider a new economic model art.
In terms of Mass effect 3 its primary goal is still entertainment. People buy games to be entertained. If people arn't then there is a problem. Hiding behind a subjective stance of "art" when people are disappointed has just shown to me how games are not art and are still a long way to becoming art. Yes they can be visually pleasing, but that just adds ambiance to the games primary function, to entertain.
Then it seems we need to redefine the word "art" as "the expression or application of human creative skill and imagination" no longer seems to be a sufficient definition.
Tell me, what is art? What does this word mean to you? What does a piece need to do to be qualified as art?
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Posté 29 juillet 2012 - 02:23
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CrustyBot wrote...
One of the most recognized and praised works of art in the modern era is a Can of Soup.
The whole "games as art" debate has always annoyed me to no end for a variety of reasons.
How can this not do it for you?
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Posté 29 juillet 2012 - 04:15
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Skelter192 wrote...
CrustyBot wrote...
One of the most recognized and praised works of art in the modern era is a Can of Soup.
The whole "games as art" debate has always annoyed me to no end for a variety of reasons.
How can this not do it for you?
If that picture is seriously considered art, then art has become more and more of a joke.
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Posté 29 juillet 2012 - 04:45
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Creations of Molynexian Sony Bull**** Hype Machine = a Video Game?
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Posté 29 juillet 2012 - 05:25
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M25105 wrote...
Skelter192 wrote...
CrustyBot wrote...
One of the most recognized and praised works of art in the modern era is a Can of Soup.
The whole "games as art" debate has always annoyed me to no end for a variety of reasons.
How can this not do it for you?
If that picture is seriously considered art, then art has become more and more of a joke.
This is from the 60's but meh I won't pretend to understand what makes it so special.
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Posté 29 juillet 2012 - 05:32
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Skelter192 wrote...
M25105 wrote...
Skelter192 wrote...
CrustyBot wrote...
One of the most recognized and praised works of art in the modern era is a Can of Soup.
The whole "games as art" debate has always annoyed me to no end for a variety of reasons.
How can this not do it for you?
If that picture is seriously considered art, then art has become more and more of a joke.
This is from the 60's but meh I won't pretend to understand what makes it so special.
It's a freaking can. Seriously I think today art is just do whatever crap you can think aslong as no one else has done it before. Like the dude that smeared poop on the walls. And then some idiot who wasted his education on something that revolves around art, comes around calls it art and it's worth millions.
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From what I could gather he has a problem with "bad" art.Mr Mxyzptlk wrote...
Captain Crash wrote...
Sorry, but pouring your heart and soul into a project doesnt make it art. If that was simply the case everything could be considered art because some people have spent years of their lives on ideas, dreams and projects. I wouldn't consider a new economic model art.
In terms of Mass effect 3 its primary goal is still entertainment. People buy games to be entertained. If people arn't then there is a problem. Hiding behind a subjective stance of "art" when people are disappointed has just shown to me how games are not art and are still a long way to becoming art. Yes they can be visually pleasing, but that just adds ambiance to the games primary function, to entertain.
Then it seems we need to redefine the word "art" as "the expression or application of human creative skill and imagination" no longer seems to be a sufficient definition.
Tell me, what is art? What does this word mean to you? What does a piece need to do to be qualified as art?
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Posté 29 juillet 2012 - 06:39
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Skelter192 wrote...
CrustyBot wrote...
One of the most recognized and praised works of art in the modern era is a Can of Soup.
The whole "games as art" debate has always annoyed me to no end for a variety of reasons.
How can this not do it for you?
I prefer chicken noodle.
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Posté 29 juillet 2012 - 08:27
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M25105 wrote...
Skelter192 wrote...
CrustyBot wrote...
One of the most recognized and praised works of art in the modern era is a Can of Soup.
The whole "games as art" debate has always annoyed me to no end for a variety of reasons.
How can this not do it for you?
If that picture is seriously considered art, then art has become more and more of a joke.
You've never heard of Any Warhol?
Kids these days...
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Posté 29 juillet 2012 - 08:32
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Warhol's vision is long outdated, it's nothing more than a side note in museums. Such is the lot of pop art.
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Posté 29 juillet 2012 - 09:19
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^^ I can agree with that. But not knowing anything about him or saying it's worthless what he did (without knowing the context) is pretty much foolish.
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Posté 29 juillet 2012 - 09:45
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eroeru wrote...
M25105 wrote...
Skelter192 wrote...
CrustyBot wrote...
One of the most recognized and praised works of art in the modern era is a Can of Soup.
The whole "games as art" debate has always annoyed me to no end for a variety of reasons.
How can this not do it for you?
If that picture is seriously considered art, then art has become more and more of a joke.
You've never heard of Any Warhol?
Kids these days...
Yes I've heard of him and nothing he did ever looked impressive. Prententious art lovers these days.
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Posté 29 juillet 2012 - 09:53
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eroeru wrote...
^^ I can agree with that. But not knowing anything about him or saying it's worthless what he did (without knowing the context) is pretty much foolish.
Don't you understand? If I can't comprehend a concept, or take the time to try and understand what the artist is attemtping to say with a piece, then it isn't art. Art only exists when I say it does and all things I don't get is crap!
/end sarcasm.
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Posté 29 juillet 2012 - 10:04
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*sigh* I'm well aware of taking the time to understand art, 3 yrs in art school and a lifetime of creating has made that imperative. My opinion on this is actually fairly educated, mostly through the experience of creating art myself. So....
Here is my unadulterated opinion: Warhol and much of Pop art is transient and there for the artist to make some trite observation and cash in. Some of his contemporaries were trading blowjobs for art shows, so I'm not about to bow in reverence before their work. As for David Cage, that CGI short is as melodramatic and sappy as it gets. It's the last example I'd use to argue video games are art. Ya'll can put that in your pipes and smoke it
Here is my unadulterated opinion: Warhol and much of Pop art is transient and there for the artist to make some trite observation and cash in. Some of his contemporaries were trading blowjobs for art shows, so I'm not about to bow in reverence before their work. As for David Cage, that CGI short is as melodramatic and sappy as it gets. It's the last example I'd use to argue video games are art. Ya'll can put that in your pipes and smoke it
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Posté 29 juillet 2012 - 10:55
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I'm not an expert on art, nor am I an expert on video games, but let me get ths straight:
That is not a video game, correct?
Then it can't be an example of how video games are art, can it?
That is not a video game, correct?
Then it can't be an example of how video games are art, can it?
