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[Conniving_Eagle]

In addition to Bioware wanting everybody to headcanon the ending that they failed to write, they won't deny IT because it gives a portion of the fanbase an excuse to justify the many plotholes of the third game while holding the writers in a higher regard.

[iamweaver]

My real problem with the idea that synthesis is galaxy-wide indoctrination is that if it's true, then the Reapers would have just Indoctrinated everyone as soon as the catalyst was hooked up to the Citadel.

Plus - if it were, then the ending would show everyone happily lining up to be reaped, because if indoctrination by itself were a solution to The Cycle, then it could have happened already pretty easily, even if the indoctrination happened piecemeal instead of instantaneously through the use of a giant microphone,

[The Angry One]

iamweaver wrote...

My real problem with the idea that synthesis is galaxy-wide indoctrination is that if it's true, then the Reapers would have just Indoctrinated everyone as soon as the catalyst was hooked up to the Citadel.

Plus - if it were, then the ending would show everyone happily lining up to be reaped, because if indoctrination by itself were a solution to The Cycle, then it could have happened already pretty easily, even if the indoctrination happened piecemeal instead of instantaneously through the use of a giant microphone,

This assumes that they wanted things to continue as is.
Indoctrination is a means to an end, not an end in itself. The Catalyst itself admits that it has tried synthesis before. It wants this, and indoctrination is an easy means to have everyone else "want" it too.

[JamieCOTC]

Maybe Mythbusters should look into IT.

[MegaSovereign]

Does this prove IT?

[ld1449]

JamieCOTC wrote...

Maybe Mythbusters should look into IT.

I'd watch it.

[F4H bandicoot]

LOLSaren

[AlanC9]

Conniving_Eagle wrote...

In addition to Bioware wanting everybody to headcanon the ending that they failed to write, they won't deny IT because it gives a portion of the fanbase an excuse to justify the many plotholes of the third game while holding the writers in a higher regard.

Pretty much this. I don't see any upside to ruling IT out.

[Jadebaby]

Wow, good to see speculation is alive still...

Not one mention for the roses homage? =(

AlanC9 wrote...

Conniving_Eagle wrote...

In addition to Bioware wanting everybody to headcanon the ending that they failed to write, they won't deny IT because it gives a portion of the fanbase an excuse to justify the many plotholes of the third game while holding the writers in a higher regard.

Pretty much this. I don't see any upside to ruling IT out.

I agree with this. I also agree with what JamieCOTC said.. Both posts.

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

Lord Goose wrote...

RavenEyry wrote...

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...
Other people with synthetic implants.

Prove it

EDI synthetic eyes.

You do realise that EDI was built with Reaper tech, yes? Not idiotic to assume it could have been caused by that exposure.

[Genetic Destiny]

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

Genetic Destiny wrote...

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

For the last time, they are not Indoc eyes, they are synthetic eyes.

Please check out this link and compare those eyes to the ones you see above. An explanation (that's good) as to how they change to match TIM's would be very helpful.

images4.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb57088/masseffect/images/c/c1/Shepard_renegade.jpg

HYR 2.0 wrote...

sporeian wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

Illusive man wasn't indoctrinated in Mass Effect 2, but he had the Glowy blue eyes.

from being in contact with Reaper Tech when he was young...

Which did not indoctrinate him.

They were turian implants.

The Collector's Edition guidebook has an article on how they pay very close attention to the characters' eye movements for every scene. Its called 'The Eyes Have It'.

Are you serious? We're taking a very little showing of the implant eyes and defining it as "Complete"

There's no such thing as "indoctrinated eyes". 

There are natural eyes.

There are artificial eyes.

There are indoctrinated people.

There are non-indoctrinated people.

Most (but not all) of the people we know to be indoctrinated had artificial eyes.

Husks get artificial eyes. And artificial limbs. And artificial navels. And artificial lips. They do not get "indoctrinated" eyes, limbs, navels or lips.

EDI has artificial everything.

Taken.

You're using indoctrinated people, husks and characters with reaper tech to prove your point?

And where did I say they were "indoctrinated eyes"? They magically change to match TIM's when we see that those aren't Shep's eyes based on renegade variants. If you're certain that the Control/Synthesis eyes are what's beneath Shepard's all along, then wouldn't the renegade eye pattern be present regardless of Shepard's alignment when choosing Control or Synthesis? Remember, in those endings Shepard is being disintegrated, showing what lies beneath those eyes. Why is it that both patterns aren't showing regardless of Shepard's alignment, but only showing with a Renegade's?

[tyrvas]

RavenEyry wrote...

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

There are natural eyes.

There are artificial eyes.

You still haven't explained how Shepard suddenly has those artificial eyes while jumping into the beam.

If I was walking down the street and a blokes arm suddenly turned artificial I'd think "That's weird", not "Loads of people have artificial arms.

Have you noticed what happens to Shepard's eyes when he starts to watch the
data vids in Eden Prime (From Ashes DLC)... Shepard's Super Vision 

[Jadebaby]

Genetic Destiny wrote...

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

Genetic Destiny wrote...

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

For the last time, they are not Indoc eyes, they are synthetic eyes.

Please check out this link and compare those eyes to the ones you see above. An explanation (that's good) as to how they change to match TIM's would be very helpful.

images4.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb57088/masseffect/images/c/c1/Shepard_renegade.jpg

HYR 2.0 wrote...

sporeian wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

Illusive man wasn't indoctrinated in Mass Effect 2, but he had the Glowy blue eyes.

from being in contact with Reaper Tech when he was young...

Which did not indoctrinate him.

They were turian implants.

The Collector's Edition guidebook has an article on how they pay very close attention to the characters' eye movements for every scene. Its called 'The Eyes Have It'.

Are you serious? We're taking a very little showing of the implant eyes and defining it as "Complete"

There's no such thing as "indoctrinated eyes". 

There are natural eyes.

There are artificial eyes.

There are indoctrinated people.

There are non-indoctrinated people.

Most (but not all) of the people we know to be indoctrinated had artificial eyes.

Husks get artificial eyes. And artificial limbs. And artificial navels. And artificial lips. They do not get "indoctrinated" eyes, limbs, navels or lips.

EDI has artificial everything.

Taken.

You're using indoctrinated people, husks and characters with reaper tech to prove your point?

And where did I say they were "indoctrinated eyes"? They magically change to match TIM's when we see that those aren't Shep's eyes based on renegade variants. If you're certain that the Control/Synthesis eyes are what's beneath Shepard's all along, then wouldn't the renegade eye pattern be present regardless of Shepard's alignment when choosing Control or Synthesis? Remember, in those endings Shepard is being disintegrated, showing what lies beneath those eyes. Why is it that both patterns aren't showing regardless of Shepard's alignment, but only showing with a Renegade's?

true, no one said they were 'indoctrinated' eyes per se. they are artifical eyes... caused by indoctrination lulz.

[Jadebaby]

tyrvas wrote...

RavenEyry wrote...

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

There are natural eyes.

There are artificial eyes.

You still haven't explained how Shepard suddenly has those artificial eyes while jumping into the beam.

If I was walking down the street and a blokes arm suddenly turned artificial I'd think "That's weird", not "Loads of people have artificial arms.

Have you noticed what happens to Shepard's eyes when he starts to watch the
data vids in Eden Prime (From Ashes DLC)... Shepard's Super Vision 

I always loved how Liara repeats everything you already know for the newcomers

The bit about Feros... makes me want to punch a hipster.

Modifié par Jade8aby88, 28 juillet 2012 - 08:31 .

[tyrvas]

forget this...

Modifié par tyrvas, 28 juillet 2012 - 08:32 .

[JamieCOTC]

AlanC9 wrote...

Conniving_Eagle wrote...

In addition to Bioware wanting everybody to headcanon the ending that they failed to write, they won't deny IT because it gives a portion of the fanbase an excuse to justify the many plotholes of the third game while holding the writers in a higher regard.

Pretty much this. I don't see any upside to ruling IT out.

Yeah. I think IT as a fan reaction to the ME3 ending is absolutely fascinating. I’ve watched the video documentaries, read the essays and forums posts, and I appreciate all the work fans put into this, but ultimately it’s all BS.  The original concept of the IT was that the ending we got in ME3 wasn’t the real ending and that it was coming via DLC at some later date. The devs had said countless times that the ending in ME3 is it. No other ending DLC is coming.

On the other hand I wouldn’t want to begrudge anyone their belief in IT, because frankly, it is a better ending.  So if you can go w/ it, fine.  More power to you.

[Jadebaby]

JamieCOTC wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...

Conniving_Eagle wrote...

In addition to Bioware wanting everybody to headcanon the ending that they failed to write, they won't deny IT because it gives a portion of the fanbase an excuse to justify the many plotholes of the third game while holding the writers in a higher regard.

Pretty much this. I don't see any upside to ruling IT out.

Yeah. I think IT as a fan reaction to the ME3 ending is absolutely fascinating. I’ve watched the video documentaries, read the essays and forums posts, and I appreciate all the work fans put into this, but ultimately it’s all BS.  The original concept of the IT was that the ending we got in ME3 wasn’t the real ending and that it was coming via DLC at some later date. The devs had said countless times that the ending in ME3 is it. No other ending DLC is coming.

On the other hand I wouldn’t want to begrudge anyone their belief in IT, because frankly, it is a better ending.  So if you can go w/ it, fine.  More power to you.

https://www.youtube.com/watch

this still has me wondering what dlc he's talking about....

[Conniving_Eagle]

OT:
I wonder, is the Uchiha clan from Naruto a group of Reaper sleeper agents? They have similar eyes...

[Shepard Wins]

Synthesis stinks completely regardless of one's views on Indoctrination Theory...

[PsyrenY]

RavenEyry wrote...

Optimystic_X wrote...

Why would Bioware ever disprove it? Delusional IT money is as green and papery as every other kind.

IT money? I don't remember ever giving money to Bioware because of IT.

Kinda hard to make all those long conspiracy-theory videos without owning the game. And think of all the new clues in the DLC! Non-ITers won't know what to look for!!

Modifié par Optimystic_X, 28 juillet 2012 - 10:57 .

[ShepnTali]

If everyone's eyes glowing isn't a tipoff to something being unnatural, I don't know what is.

[RadicalDisconnect]

The Angry One wrote...

alienatedflea wrote...

IT is not real..get over yourself...

No, but the idea that synthesis is galactic scale indoctrination has a lot of merit whether you like it or not.

Counter-arguments to galactic scale indoctrination also have lots of merit.

*shrugs*

[Khajiit Jzargo]

Genetic Destiny wrote...

You're using indoctrinated people, husks and characters with reaper tech to prove your point?

And where did I say they were "indoctrinated eyes"? They magically change to match TIM's when we see that those aren't Shep's eyes based on renegade variants. If you're certain that the Control/Synthesis eyes are what's beneath Shepard's all along, then wouldn't the renegade eye pattern be present regardless of Shepard's alignment when choosing Control or Synthesis? Remember, in those endings Shepard is being disintegrated, showing what lies beneath those eyes. Why is it that both patterns aren't showing regardless of Shepard's alignment, but only showing with a Renegade's?

And your whole logic as a whole is based on an Ad Hominem. Two people who were indoctrinated it had synthetic eyes, therefore if Shepard has those eyes, he must me indoctrinated it. Also, again, Shep renegade variants might be a small showing that could be malfunctioning who knows? Maybe Shepard's eyes change because the synthetic implants have some sort of reaction because of the beam, or the electricity in Control. That's the problem with this argument, it's senseless, it's based on pure speculations.

You can argue that Shep becomes Indoctrinated it, but don't use the eyes as evidence, that is absurd.

Modifié par Khajiit Jzargo, 28 juillet 2012 - 11:10 .

[RadicalDisconnect]

Also, why does Amanda Kenson not have those eyes after she was indoctrinated? And what about Matriarch Benezia and Shiala? And, for the lulz, what about Regards the Works of the Enkindlers in Despair?

Modifié par RadicalDisconnect, 28 juillet 2012 - 11:16 .

[Khajiit Jzargo]

Jade8aby88 wrote...


You do realise that EDI was built with Reaper tech, yes? Not idiotic to assume it could have been caused by that exposure.

Or it could be that she's a synthetic, and has synthetic eyes. Again, it's all speculations.

[elegolas1]

Someone with twitter should ask bioware why shepards eyes change upon choosing control or synthesis