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[Arken]

devSin wrote...

Just to note, Javik wasn't actually the Catalyst.

When you went to recover him, he would then tell you that the Citadel was the Catalyst.

Basically, he filled the role of Vendetta (who didn't exist in the early text).

Leaked Script Summary wrote...
You land and fight Cerberus through the streets of Eden Prime while terrified civilians hide, then meets up with PARTNER (who arrived earlier) just in time to see an explosion of energy coming from the Prothean ruins. When he arrives, the Prothean is standing in a crater surrounded by dead Cerberus agents. It kills the last Cerberus soldier and exits in a cool fashion. Shepard and PARTNER assume that the Prothean is a rogue Cerberus supersoldier created using the CATALYST. PARTNER goes after it, while you goe after the CATALYST.After fighting Cerberus troops in the area, you find Cerberus video logs that show them opening a Prothean Sphere and finding the Prothean inside. The vid makes it clear that the Prothean isn't a Cerberus soldier. He's the CATALYST. Shepard follows the Prothean's trail of destruction, fighting Cerberus troops. You eventually finds the Prothean injured and exhausted, with PARTNER ready to kill it. PARTNER refuses to listen to your explanation and tries to kill the Prothean, and you have no choice but to kill him. The mission closes with you answering to the Council for "the attack on Eden Prime" and the death of the Spectre to the Council.

At some point it was planned for Shepard to go to Eden Prime to find the Catalyst, and for Shepard to discover that the awakened Prothean was the Catalyst.

Am I allowed to post the link to the leaked summary? It's ancient, and the game's already out...

EDIT: I don't see what's so wrong with posting the link. The game's already out.

Link.

It's really early on in the summary. It's like the eleventh paragraph.

Modifié par Arken, 28 juillet 2012 - 08:43 .

[devSin]

Arken wrote...

At some point it was planned for Shepard to go to Eden Prime to find the Catalyst, and for Shepard to discover that the awakened Prothean was the Catalyst.

No, you would find out later that the Prothean wasn't the Catalyst (IIRC, that's why you go to Thessia, and then when you recover him from Cronos, he finally reveals that the Citadel is the Catalyst).

So basically they just removed Eden Prime from the game when they cut out the Prothean, and they created Vendetta to fill his remaining role in the plot.

Erixxxx wrote...

That still happens when you choose Control.

Actually, I believe that was the description for synthesis (I think it's mentioned as the ending choice accessible if the player had a "perfect" game).

Modifié par devSin, 28 juillet 2012 - 08:47 .

[Wu the Lotus Blossom]

This is really interesting. It's a bit bittersweet, because some things would have been cool to actually play, but interesting nonetheless. Thanks for sharing!

[Raizo]

HOLY ****.

Most of that stuff sounds pretty awesome and the few things that I'm not keen on are still better than what we got in the final game. What the hell happened, why did we not get the content from the leaked script.

[Wu the Lotus Blossom]

Arken wrote...

devSin wrote...

Just to note, Javik wasn't actually the Catalyst.

When you went to recover him, he would then tell you that the Citadel was the Catalyst.

Basically, he filled the role of Vendetta (who didn't exist in the early text).

Leaked Script Summary wrote...
You land and fight Cerberus through the streets of Eden Prime while terrified civilians hide, then meets up with PARTNER (who arrived earlier) just in time to see an explosion of energy coming from the Prothean ruins. When he arrives, the Prothean is standing in a crater surrounded by dead Cerberus agents. It kills the last Cerberus soldier and exits in a cool fashion. Shepard and PARTNER assume that the Prothean is a rogue Cerberus supersoldier created using the CATALYST. PARTNER goes after it, while you goe after the CATALYST.After fighting Cerberus troops in the area, you find Cerberus video logs that show them opening a Prothean Sphere and finding the Prothean inside. The vid makes it clear that the Prothean isn't a Cerberus soldier. He's the CATALYST. Shepard follows the Prothean's trail of destruction, fighting Cerberus troops. You eventually finds the Prothean injured and exhausted, with PARTNER ready to kill it. PARTNER refuses to listen to your explanation and tries to kill the Prothean, and you have no choice but to kill him. The mission closes with you answering to the Council for "the attack on Eden Prime" and the death of the Spectre to the Council.

At some point it was planned for Shepard to go to Eden Prime to find the Catalyst, and for Shepard to discover that the awakened Prothean was the Catalyst.

Am I allowed to post the link to the leaked summary? It's ancient, and the game's already out...

EDIT: I don't see what's so wrong with posting the link. The game's already out.

Link.

It's really early on in the summary. It's like the eleventh paragraph.

Thanks for this.

[Erixxxx]

devSin wrote...
Actually, I believe that was the description for synthesis (I think it's mentioned as the ending choice accessible if the player had a "perfect" game).

That is pretty interesting.

[noobcannon]

no doubt bioware has a ton of sp dlc planned, alot of this stuff may have been cut so they could package it with dlc.

[Binary_Helix 1]

Yeah I've looked over the leaked script before and it was a lot better than what we got.

ME3 only had a year and a half in development time. If you're really generous two years. The other games took three years each. For a proper end to the trilogy ME3 needed three to five years in the oven. So much lost pentoial. It's a real shame.

Modifié par Binary_Helix 1, 28 juillet 2012 - 09:11 .

[Arken]

devSin wrote...

No, you would find out later that the Prothean wasn't the Catalyst (IIRC, that's why you go to Thessia, and then when you recover him from Cronos, he finally reveals that the Citadel is the Catalyst).

So basically they just removed Eden Prime from the game when they cut out the Prothean, and they created Vendetta to fill his remaining role in the plot.

Are you sure?

I'm not seeing anything in the summary that says why Shepard went there except that the prothean need to interact with an artifact. I even tossed the summary in Word, and did a search for every paragraph that had the word Thessia in it. Then I did a search for every reference of the word Catalyst, and I didn't find anything explicitly saying the prothean needed to go to Thessia to learn the location of the Catalyst.

The summary isn't clear on some things like why the prothean needed to interact with the artifact, but it's pretty clear it served the same purpose as the VI on Thessia. So you are probably right on the prothean not being Catalyst. Considering the way that part of the summary is written, it seems that Bioware didn't even know what the Catalyst was yet. They referred to the Crucible as the "Bomb" in all caps. I think they were just blindly going forward like they had been from the start.

[Those Protheans]

noobcannon wrote...

no doubt bioware has a ton of sp dlc planned, alot of this stuff may have been cut so they could package it with dlc.

$$$$$

[KiwiQuiche]

Boo, I wanted to go to the Elcor homeworld!

[Arken]

noobcannon wrote...

no doubt bioware has a ton of sp dlc planned, alot of this stuff may have been cut so they could package it with dlc.

The only stuff that was cut, and could fit would be Retake Omega, securing Shadow Broker networks for Liara, the Elcor homeworld, the Harvester boss battle, and the Pariah enemy who we never saw.

So maybe 3 DLCs could be based on stuff that never made it in. The Eden Prime level was already sold as DLC so it doesn't count. Though the game is already around five months old, and we haven't seen much in terms of SP DLC. You could blame it on the extended cut, but the extended cut didn't really add new levels designs or anything like that. It seems like a small team handled the extended cut.

Point is Mass Effect 3 has gone a while and still hasn't gotten much real SP DLC. Pre-order DLC doesn't count, and Extended Cut is just a bunch of cutscenes. I doubt Bioware will keep supporting Mass Effect 3 after it's a year old since people will lose interest, and the clock is currently ticking.

Modifié par Arken, 28 juillet 2012 - 09:24 .

[Coreniro]

Some things could have been better, other things could have been worse. But it means nothing. You can write or think about the most incredible things in the world, but in the end, if you try and realize them and they don't work, they're useless.
Another thing: the guy who leaked the script ought to be killed. Play testers too, they have a way of ruining good things for stupid reasons.
At least, they didn't ruin my experience with ME3.

[Arken]

Coreniro wrote...

Some things could have been better, other things could have been worse. But it means nothing. You can write or think about the most incredible things in the world, but in the end, if you try and realize them and they don't work, they're useless.

But it's nice to know what could have been.

Coreniro wrote...
Another thing: the guy who leaked the script ought to be killed. Play testers too, they have a way of ruining good things for stupid reasons.
At least, they didn't ruin my experience with ME3.

Over a video game?

That didn't even get changed at all between the leak and release?

[LanceSolous13]

...I'm going to go cry in a corner now...Its not perfect but...That's a lot better than what we got and was only a draft at the time...

[Coreniro]

Arken wrote...

Coreniro wrote...

Some things could have been better, other things could have been worse. But it means nothing. You can write or think about the most incredible things in the world, but in the end, if you try and realize them and they don't work, they're useless.

But it's nice to know what could have been.

Coreniro wrote...
Another thing: the guy who leaked the script ought to be killed. Play testers too, they have a way of ruining good things for stupid reasons.
At least, they didn't ruin my experience with ME3.

Over a video game?

That didn't even get changed at all between the leak and release?

I don't care about the video game.
It's the idea that someone, who thinks too much of himself, candidly try to ruin 10 years of someone's work (and fails, miserably). This is the reason why his life is unnecessary.
And I don't care about what could have been. Not only because it isn't, but also because these unrealized ideas could be shaped in other forms. But, if you know about their original purpose, you're subjugated by that. 
Ultimately, we're not allowed to peek at the creative process.

[Coreniro]

One last thing: I'm sure that if you read the "Godfather - Part II" script, you'll find something that will make you think: "oh, why did they throw this away, it could have been much better!".

[Vinny]

So originally there was :
- An Intro with a trial
- Omega
- Kahje
- Eden Prime
- A scene where the Guardian/Catalyst gave you the answers about the galaxy.

Final version :
- No intro and no trial
- Nothing about Kahje, Omega and Eden Prime
- The Catalyst didn't answered anything about the Reapers and the galaxy.
I try to understand their work and defend them when it's possible, but don't ****** in my ear and tell me it's raining. Some of these things should have been originally in the game. Things like a beginning and an end.

[noobcannon]

Arken wrote...

noobcannon wrote...

no doubt bioware has a ton of sp dlc planned, alot of this stuff may have been cut so they could package it with dlc.

The only stuff that was cut, and could fit would be Retake Omega, securing Shadow Broker networks for Liara, the Elcor homeworld, the Harvester boss battle, and the Pariah enemy who we never saw.

So maybe 3 DLCs could be based on stuff that never made it in. The Eden Prime level was already sold as DLC so it doesn't count. Though the game is already around five months old, and we haven't seen much in terms of SP DLC. You could blame it on the extended cut, but the extended cut didn't really add new levels designs or anything like that. It seems like a small team handled the extended cut.

Point is Mass Effect 3 has gone a while and still hasn't gotten much real SP DLC. Pre-order DLC doesn't count, and Extended Cut is just a bunch of cutscenes. I doubt Bioware will keep supporting Mass Effect 3 after it's a year old since people will lose interest, and the clock is currently ticking.

mass effect 2 had alot of dlc and EA/Bioware made alot of money off that dlc. it makes alot of sense for mass effect 3 to have even more.

[obZen DF]

Wow, the core elements, like a trial and an actual ending, were cut? The beginning we all wanted was cut because of time. I say cut the lame Cerberus side-missions in the SP instead of a great beginning.

[Khajiit Jzargo]

Since Bioware loves being ambiguous, I don't know why they can't make an alternate game, but I doubt it will happen.

[Ashii6]

Damn shame. Emily Wong, Omega, Kahje and an actual trial. Why, BioWare? Just... why? ME3 could have been such a great game..

[BrookerT]

Its doesn't really bother me, Callistan was cut in ME1, so much stuff was cut in ME1, its the same for all the games. If they did alter the script, fans can't really be upset, as there was a massive outcry over the apparent quality of the leaked script.

[Reorte]

BrookerT wrote...

Its doesn't really bother me, Callistan was cut in ME1, so much stuff was cut in ME1, its the same for all the games. If they did alter the script, fans can't really be upset, as there was a massive outcry over the apparent quality of the leaked script.

Why can't they be upset? Just because something people didn't like was changed doesn't meant that the change wasn't even worse and sticking to the original would've been better.

[devSin]

I'm not sure why everybody gets so upset about the trial. It would have been written by Mac, which means it simply would have been an expanded version of the committee. I can't even imagine how horrible it would have turned out.

Arken wrote...

Are you sure?

I don't remember the lead in to Thessia. That was just my speculation as to where they may have been headed (I think there may have been a part in there where the Prothean does reveal that he's not the Catalyst, but I don't remember it specifically, nor if there's anything that hints at how they were going to lead the player in the search for it).

But the Prothean was not the Catalyst. There should be a snippet in there somewhere where it's finally revealed that the Citadel is the Catalyst (it was set up so that you thought you were chasing the Catalyst, but you don't find out what it really is until that encounter near the end).