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[gorezeelar]

 I've had the asari justicar adept (the one with bubble shield) a while ago, but didn't really use it since I started getting N7 character.

So I was in the mood to try the othe justicar adept again, and I tried two different ways:

Tryout number one: Offensive bubble(warp effect, radius, enemy damage, reave full damage(because there is also a damage reduction side to pick), no pull, full racial bonus(pretty much all power duration anyway, 30% reduce ar is quite neat), fitness full as usually a standard for me.

The result: Got ripped to shred every now and then trying to run up and place trap bubbles to do area reave. Even trying to reverse that (reave first, bubble warp) bubble would make her to stand up and take an entire second to do her thing.

Reave is badass when it actually kills fast enough. Biotic explosions with reave and bubble shields was very dissapointing. You might pull off chains kills on bronze, but since an enemy can only be warped ONCE inside your bubble shield. Most of them ended up leaving the bubble before I could area warp(which don't deal that much damage anyway). And on gold most things don't die by one BE. So I ended up killing most things with a Vindicator

Tryout number two: Still full offensive bubble, reave full damage, but this time I go for full Pull(because its last column has a biotic detonation damage increase), blank for racial bonus(since it only adds power duration anyway), full fitness as usual. I had to pick the Hornet smg instead of being able to use an assault rifle

Result: Not much has changed, Pull only pick out the unarmored ones, and for the armored one, they can only be warped by my bubble once before I got killed, and reave is honestly not all it was cracked up to be. 



The standard asari adept was badass, but this justicar lacks punch. I was thinking maybe I should go all defensive (since most people playing on gold, IMO, need looking after anyway), reave all damage reduction, no pull, all racial and fitness.

That way I could pick a favorite ar(still don't have the harrier yet, mattock will do) with piercing, and the acolyte as side arm for shields and barriers. That way I could protect my team, while being sort of a bullet sponge myself.


Give me your opinion on that build. What do you do with bubbles on gold?

[darkchaosbunny]

For bubble, go for radius,5th doesn't matter, and warp effect. Place on choke points and detonate enemies with reave. When it is to dangerous to do so, you can still throw one up around yourself for 20% damage reduction if you are pinned down or camping. also when on the move you can throw on up and then detonate any that follow you.

Pull can be nice at times but I don't spec into it usually. Just max everything else. For the passive go for weapon damage. I usually have decent cooldown with just a saber and can use reave safely and take bosses down and mobs with relative ease as I cast area reave and lay down fire. Helps that headshots with the saber is relatively easy. Works best with biotic squadmates to set and prime detonations.

If you are not doing randoms and have a biotic friend you are willing follow or is willing to follow you like a host novaguard, phoenix anything, or asari adept, you can equip a carnifex and spam reave. In fact, if you do this, look up the drell adept/asari adept combo strategies for help, as the only difference is that you are not a really fast wet tissue and have bubble instead of cluster grenades.

[Yrian96]

i play the justicar alot on gold its probably my most used class.
I spec it 6/6/3/6/5 with a full offense bubble (radius,enemy dmg and warp) my reave is specced for aoe recharge speed and dmg+duration, the rest is pretty standard. Atm I have it speced in AR weight instead of lvl 6 shields, this varies depending on if I'm using GPS or falcon.

I will only use this vs cerberus or geth since most reapers are too fast. I play the class by reaving everything I see and placing bubbles in spawns and bottle necks, this way I can get multiple detonations off since aoe reave will detonate any target in the bubble that hasn't yet been detonated.
An important thing to keep in mind is the amount of damage you can do to a reaved target in the bubble.

So I would recomend playing the justicar offensively using pull for guatdians and troopers.

[gorezeelar]

Yrian96 wrote...

i play the justicar alot on gold its probably my most used class.
I spec it 6/6/3/6/5 with a full offense bubble (radius,enemy dmg and warp) my reave is specced for aoe recharge speed and dmg+duration, the rest is pretty standard. Atm I have it speced in AR weight instead of lvl 6 shields, this varies depending on if I'm using GPS or falcon.

I will only use this vs cerberus or geth since most reapers are too fast. I play the class by reaving everything I see and placing bubbles in spawns and bottle necks, this way I can get multiple detonations off since aoe reave will detonate any target in the bubble that hasn't yet been detonated.
An important thing to keep in mind is the amount of damage you can do to a reaved target in the bubble.

So I would recomend playing the justicar offensively using pull for guatdians and troopers.

Yeah that's true, cerberus and geth usually give me more breathing space trying trap bubble. But the class (playing offensively) is just too confined to: Looking for chokehold, then reave the **** ouf of anything that walk across while shooting at them at the same time.

I still think the standard asari adept is much more viable on any and all situation. 

[Doofe2012]

A big part of playing the Justicar is having a good assault rifle. I use the Mattock X but if you have a Harrier, by all means use it even though you'll have longer cooldown.

Go for a mixed bubble. Radius, Protection, and Warp Effect.
Max out Reave with Radius and maximum damage protection
Ignore Pull
Max out passive with Damage/Capacity, Power damage, and assault rifle weight reduction
Max Fitness for health/shields

First thing that needs to be said is to Reave everything. It gives you 40% damage protection specced how I said.

Next, shoot like mad. The Mattock now does as much damage per shot as a Harrier.

When enemies get close or when you're getting shot a lot, deploy the Biotic Sphere. Reave them if they're not already Reaved. The Justicar's explosions are weaker than most, so you'll still have to shoot to finish most enemies off, but at least they'll be staggered and damaged significantly. If you have full shields and the DP from Reave active, you can even run into a group of enemies and use Sphere like it's Nova because it staggers all enemies.

Finally, play aggressively. The way I use a Justicar you'd think I was playing as a Charge-less Vanguard or a Soldier. It very well might be one of the best characters to use on Glacier/Cerberus/Gold.

Modifié par Doofe2012, 28 juillet 2012 - 07:05 .

[PDHoops]

This is a great class on gold especially if you have a standard AA with you and a decent AR (Harrier really makes this character danagerous). If your playing with a good team on gold with another Biotic then i dont get too obsessed setting up bubble and just chuck it in a choke or near a spawn point and leave it.

[jahaa]

gorezeelar wrote...

What do you do with bubbles on gold?

Area Reave and agressive gameplay with the Sphere. That means attacking the enemy as soon as they spawn. The usual tactics i guess.

I only play AA or AJ so let's say that i have some practice but if you have some experience with the combat mechanics of Mass Effect, playing agressively with the Sphere shouldn't be a problem for you.

My build is:

Sphere: 6 -fully offensive-
Reave: 6 -Area-Damage reduction and Damage & duration
Pull: 3 - i like Pull-
Justicar: 5 -Power damage & headshots-
Fitness: 6 -All health-

This video isn't the best example because it is focused on killing Banshees but it is the only i have as Justicar.
Have fun with your blueberry!

Edit. I forgot to say that my weapon is the Paladin X. I have the Harrier but i prefer this heavy pistol.

Modifié par jahaa, 28 juillet 2012 - 10:04 .

[gorezeelar]

jahaa wrote...

gorezeelar wrote...

What do you do with bubbles on gold?

Area Reave and agressive gameplay with the Sphere. That means attacking the enemy as soon as they spawn. The usual tactics i guess.

I only play AA or AJ so let's say that i have some practice but if you have some experience with the combat mechanics of Mass Effect, playing agressively with the Sphere shouldn't be a problem for you.

My build is:

Sphere: 6 -fully offensive-
Reave: 6 -Area-Damage reduction and Damage & duration
Pull: 3 - i like Pull-
Justicar: 5 -Power damage & headshots-
Fitness: 6 -All health-

This video isn't the best example because it is focused on killing Banshees but it is the only i have as Justicar.
Have fun with your blueberry!

Edit. I forgot to say that my weapon is the Paladin X. I have the Harrier but i prefer this heavy pistol.

Thanks. Sucessfully killing Banshees is pretty much epitome of any of my build. I've had some experience with adept in single player, but it seems a lot different in multi. Palandin X can easily wear down Banshees' health, but not all of us have Paladin. 

The reave-shield (and vice versa) detonate combo seems a bit weak compare to warp-throw or stasis-throw.

What do you think of the damage? Given that the AJ doesn't have that much biotic detonation buff in her skill tree, like AT ALL(Except the last column of pull)

I have a 66606 AJ build right now on hold(everything max damage no racial bonus), because I'm just having too much fun with my newly acquired AAB). 

Wait, can you even stasis-warp for detonate?

[jahaa]

The power damage talent of the AJ does not affect biotic detonations. It works with Reave or the warp effect of the bubble. And the 5th evolution is bugged so if you re-build your class keep that in mind and go for headshots.

Warp+throw is a powerful combo, more than reave+sphere, but reave stacks so in the end is pretty much the same, but different game style. And dont forget that the bubble is useful for all your team mates because any enemy inside will receive damage bonus.

And about the Paladin, i used the Carnifex before i got it but even if you don't have it, a good assault rifle like the Mattock will do the job.

Yes, you can detonate stasis with warp/throw/reave/nova/charge... etc.

[Annelos]

Read this: social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/343/index/13098782#13098782

Best AJ build is 6,6,6,4,4 with skills maxed for biotic explosions - on Gold and Platinum you can easily kill the mobs with Pull+Reave Combo. Biotic Sphere should be specced for Warp (to set off the explosions), radius and +25% damage dealt to give it more tactical flexibility.

I'm rarely first on the score board with AJ, but I usually keep up and a lot of the damage dealt or decreased thanks to the Biotic Sphere is actually invisible since you don't get a points for other players kills and you don't get a points for less damage points taken by them.

AJ really shines with biotic teams, but it's definitely a useful addition to any team as a support character.

Modifié par Annelos, 29 juillet 2012 - 06:24 .

[Drayce333]

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Ignore everything above since its TL:DR

Ignore pull and never use it, its useless because of reave.

Spam reave, it stacks and its super overpowered, equip one strong weapon like harrier/saber and fire to take enemies out faster along with reave DoT spam. I don't really care about the bubble, but lol at runing into crap to get a petty biotic explosion with that bubble when you have reave + gun.

Not saying BE are useless but Pull/Bubble + Reave is. Reave spam + high powered gun is king.

Modifié par Drayce333, 29 juillet 2012 - 07:25 .

[jahaa]

Annelos wrote...

Best AJ build

There is no best build for her or any other other character. Just use the build that fits better with your game style.

Annelos wrote...

Biotic Sphere should be specced for Warp (to set off the explosions)

The Warp evolution isn't needed to set off Biotic Explosions. You can detonate your Reave with a bubble specced for full damage reduction/defense.

Annelos wrote...

AJ really shines with biotic teams, but it's definitely a useful addition to any team as a support character.

Any biotic char shines more with another biotic on the team, but the AJ shines with her own light.

[corporal doody]

jahaa wrote...

Annelos wrote...

Biotic Sphere should be specced for Warp (to set off the explosions)

The Warp evolution isn't needed to set off Biotic Explosions. You can detonate your Reave with a bubble specced for full damage reduction/defense.

Annelos wrote...

AJ really shines with biotic teams, but it's definitely a useful addition to any team as a support character.

Any biotic char shines more with another biotic on the team, but the AJ shines with her own light.

K...you are the first i have ever heard say that....and i have yet to see a BUBBLE without warp detonate anything.

ANd yes.....anyone that says the AJ is a support class needs their head examined

AND....

The title of this thread is INSULTING!!!!!

if you arent in the top 2 on gold playing as a Justicar...REGARDLESS OF WHAT YOUR TEAMMATES ARE....you arent playing the Justicar right!!

i go 6/6/4/4/6

bubble for radius, damage, warp.

i use a disciple x with choke and damage slapped with warp ammo
or the Mattock X with capacity and damage.

[jahaa]

corporal doody wrote...

K...you are the first i have ever heard say that....and i have yet to see a BUBBLE without warp detonate anything

The difference with the Warp evolution is that you dont have to re-cast the Sphere to set off a BE when a new enemy enters the bubble field. That is the Warp effect of the bubble.

[Lyria]

I go with 6/6/4/4/6 build.
The rank 5 option for the racial skill is broken.
R
Pull is useful for rounds with lots of unshielded enemies.
Or when you can bust shields.

The Justicar is an awesome class.

[dr octagon 3000]

I love this class on gold. I currently run it with no pull. Paladin or talon. Can be tough playing with randoms. With a team that's working -- hoo boy

If you can get the bubble on a spawn... And reave detonate one after another -- domination

Ring around the Rosie bubble/reave with banshees and brutes -- melts em

[Illustair]

Odd. I used to farm with Justicar on gold before. It isn't overpowered, but neither is it not viable on gold. Give it a falcon with cyro, area reave, and offensive bubble..and you got yourself a one solid crowd control guy.

[Alex_Dur4and]

with the new improvements to pull, I use a 6/6/6/4/4 build and it rocks!

Extra size, extra damage and wrap bubble
Area and damage reduction reave
Area, damage per second (because 30% more damage kills target before chance of biotic explosion) and fast pull

My pull has a 0,85 sec recovery speed and affects 2.5 meters!! Anything that doesn't have armor will fly and before any one can shoot it, BOOM!!

I use a Talon V with the light material and the damage barrel along with area reave to rip shields off of marauders, phantoms, hunters, centurions and the likes.

[hearydiver]

Playing with another biotic or a squad of biotics is really the only wau to use the justicar to her fullest capability.

[Aetika]

I use AJA on gold succesfully, but I should mention that I don´t use pugs on gold, only friendlist and they are experienced players, so things don´t tend to get that much heated. That said, I have hybrid bubble with radius, damage reduction and warp effect. Especially on late waves there´s not even much time to run to choke points and place bubble there. My strategy is usually: 1. shoot like crazy(Carnifex X), 2. reave everything, 3. placing bubble around me or my squadmates or spots the enemies are soon to approach. AJA works best with another biotic, if she´s alone, she has to rely more on weapon.

Modifié par Aetika, 04 août 2012 - 09:41 .

[dreman9999]

jahaa wrote...

gorezeelar wrote...

What do you do with bubbles on gold?

Area Reave and agressive gameplay with the Sphere. That means attacking the enemy as soon as they spawn. The usual tactics i guess.

I only play AA or AJ so let's say that i have some practice but if you have some experience with the combat mechanics of Mass Effect, playing agressively with the Sphere shouldn't be a problem for you.

My build is:

Sphere: 6 -fully offensive-
Reave: 6 -Area-Damage reduction and Damage & duration
Pull: 3 - i like Pull-
Justicar: 5 -Power damage & headshots-
Fitness: 6 -All health-

This video isn't the best example because it is focused on killing Banshees but it is the only i have as Justicar.
Have fun with your blueberry!

Edit. I forgot to say that my weapon is the Paladin X. I have the Harrier but i prefer this heavy pistol.

I have Justicar at 6 for low weight fpr assult rifles... It helps alot.