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[CptBomBom00]

London- Especially if you'r in the middle, heavy suppression and if enemies are allowed to go onto the top level death is assured.

[sclera]

I don't really hate any of them. Vancouver is probably my least favorite but it's not bad.

Some maps are horribly difficult with certain objectives, though. For instance:

London, hacking. Pretty much all of the hack locations are horrible, with poor cover.

Jade, devices

Hydra, devices (absolute nightmare)

[Aveus]

Jos Hendriks wrote...

This makes for good reading material, everyone. Seeing as I'm responsible for at least a few of your most hated levels (though some love them, too), would you mind elaborating a bit on reasons why you dislike certain levels so much for those who haven't?

Goddess for it's unforgiving upload in the lower central room other than that I actually enjoy the map.

London for it's 4 devices, the focus on the map seems like one huge killzone with just 4 branching paths which for some reason bores me and it has so little elevation.

Jade for it's 4 devices(although it's only really that damn device in the centre of the map behind the 5ft concrete slab), 
 unusual ammo box placements and it just feels a little cage like.

Modifié par Aveus, 17 août 2012 - 12:23 .

[Anders028]

 Condor and Goddess is just the worst

Modifié par Anders028, 17 août 2012 - 12:22 .

[stayposi1990]

I HATE Vancouver and I dislike Reactor. Naturally, I've been getting dropped into those two constantly today.

I love Hydra and Jade, and Giant I like. The rest are more or less neutral. Not a huge fan of Goddess and Condor, I like being on Thessia and Menae but the cover layouts and sight-lines are not my favorite. London kinda sucks, lots of room for mistakes on that one.

[WrathPit]

The only map I loathe is Rio and that's because of its instability on the pc. It seems like the water reset is causing a lot of bugs and it has a habit of crashing the entire game for me.

Design-wise, it all comes down to preference. I dislike Rio's design because it's just so linear. Feels more like a level designed for an FPS than a co-op and since I prefer melee class characters and cqc, it's a game of running back and forth. However, it's more a problem of my play style than design. I do have to say that the background designs of these levels are beautiful, especially Palaven.

[Atucker_a32]

 Rio hands down, not enough places to escape an expected group of enemies compared to other maps

[Atucker_a32]

 Rio hands down, not enough places to escape an expected group of enemies compared to other maps

[Kawika18]

I personally love white, but I didn't do a lot of Geth/White/Gold camping (lots of running around, but no camping once I figured out how to play). It's a tight map that required good situational awareness.

Reactor, on the other hand, is easy to get flanked and overrun on, but it's inevitable for a round to drag on because of a few straggling enemies. I avoid it because it takes too long, but not because there's something otherwise un-fun about it.

[Chealec]

Rio because it's totally unstable - the last 2 or 3 games I've had there it's crapped out; you, or the host, will get lagged out and then "lose connection". I might like the map if it wasn't broken.

Condor I quite like except it causes some weird lag in places (on the ledge above the LZ in particular). It's one of the more atmospheric maps, all grey, broken and smokey... downside with that though is that Marauders are basically camouflaged :\\

Glacier, Dagger and White I'm a bit bored of but I don't hate them; Glacier and Dagger I've played a zillion times (Glacier is fast and Dagger is easy) - though if I find myself in a FBW/G/G lobby I will just quit; that's the only PuG I will not join.

On the flip-side, I love Goddess ... it's a totally anti-camping map; had an absolute blast on it earlier when it came up in a U/U/G game despite the fact that the enemy was Geth and the team comprised of 1 KroGuard, 2 KroSens and a KroSol. Team Krogan Murdertrain!

I also like Jade (apart from the extraction glitch), Ghost, Vancouver and London (another smashed up, atmospheric map).

[wirelesstkd]

Jos Hendriks wrote...

This makes for good reading material, everyone. Seeing as I'm responsible for at least a few of your most hated levels (though some love them, too), would you mind elaborating a bit on reasons why you dislike certain levels so much for those who haven't?

Reactor is my most hated. I don't know why exactly, but I think a big part of it is the color scheme. It's not that I don't like dark maps (though I prefer lighter ones), but there's something about Reactor that is awful. The buggy ammo box in the extraction zone doesn't help (though it may have been fixed since the launch, I don't know).

My favorites are White and Hydra. In these cases I think it's color, but I'm not exactly sure.

If you have the time, though, I'd love to ask you a question: would you be able to talk a little bit about how a map comes to be? Like - are there practical decisions made based on what would be fun to play, or are they generally just designed around the idea of creating a map in a specific locale (so, more asthetic decisions than gameplay ones). I'm honestly just curious to know how these different maps come to be.

[LordDeathkeeper]

I really don't see anything wrong with Reactor. Maybe because I get it so rarely. Usually when I play on Random I get maps from the DLCs. Plus White. When I came across a FBW/G on Silver I was severely disappointed, to say the least.

Modifié par LordDeathkeeper, 17 août 2012 - 12:39 .

[Relix28]

Rio - way too big and open, super easy to get flanked, or get trapped in one of the corners. it also has a very boring flow to it.

Hydra - 3/4 of the map are open wide, and most of the time, you are getting shot from multiple directions as soon as you enter one of those zones. the only semi-safe area on the map is the room with that glwoing orb. the geth and cerberus are an absolute tedium to play on that map, and reapers only slightly less so.

[Leland Gaunt]

I hate Rio because it freezes my XBOX or one of my friends XBOX'es everytime I play on it. The map itself is fine though but unplayable for me.

I hate Condor because it's almost impossible to circle the map effectively (at least I haven't found it yet) because enemies flank you from practically everywhere. Geth are a real pain on this map, Cerberus is ok and Reapers are difficult because of Ravagers.

Reactor is just painful against every enemy, probably the most annoying because all factions are annoying on this map.

Goddess can become a pain really fast against every enemy as well, but the map itself is fine so I don't hate but dislike it on higher difficulties.

The other maps are sometimes hard, depending on what faction you fight against, but all in all very enjoyable. I mostly dislike certain map/faction combinations, but the maps themselves are fine. I only really hate the maps I've listed.

[BoomDynamite]

Condor. Glitched ammo boxes, it's dark and somewhat hard to see, it has no good camping spots, and I can get shot from anywhere.

[kyles3]

The stingy ammo crates on Condor turn a tricky map into a downright-cheap map.

Likewise, certain hack locations on Goddess (middle of watery-floor-room) and London (by the red car) are just unfair. I've never had a PUG team survive either of those on wave 10 on Gold difficulty.

[Uchimura]

Jos Hendriks wrote...

This makes for good reading material, everyone. Seeing as I'm responsible for at least a few of your most hated levels (though some love them, too), would you mind elaborating a bit on reasons why you dislike certain levels so much for those who haven't?

Reactor, Condor, and London.

I know these are warzones, but there's very little visual appeal to really dark and grey levels.


Some other things:
-slow ammo boxes on Condor
-easy to get surrounded on Condor and London
-broken window cover on London is ineffective
-low cover in Condor hack objective allows high ground to hit you
-Reactor hack objective near the LZ has a very close/inconvenient enemy spawn point
-Goddess has a ladder with a ledge you can't walk off of

Modifié par Uchimura, 17 août 2012 - 12:38 .

[DarkseidXIII]

Least fave, Vancouver. Don't hate it. Love the rest.

[KAM12780]

Reactor. I feel so claustrophobic in there! Condor is a close 2nd. -___-

[terryfonz]

App Crash Rio

[Jos Hendriks]

wirelesstkd wrote...

If you have the time, though, I'd love to ask you a question: would you be able to talk a little bit about how a map comes to be? Like - are there practical decisions made based on what would be fun to play, or are they generally just designed around the idea of creating a map in a specific locale (so, more asthetic decisions than gameplay ones). I'm honestly just curious to know how these different maps come to be.

I've been thinking what would be an interesting thing to write about for the BioWare blog sometime, perhaps the design process for multiplayer levels is an interesting topic. I'll see what I can do. 

[Chaoswind]

Dark maps + Visual effects (hunter mode/Blood Lust/Rage/Bleed cam) = PROBLEMS

Dark maps are a huge problem with visual effects, reactor has the added bonus of having a terrible hack zone.

Goddess is another terrible hack zone, in some ways worse than reactor, but the map is at least bright.

[wirelesstkd]

Air Quotes wrote...

None. I like all of them. Vancouver, London are too dull visually tho.

I agree with that. When I heard Vancouver I really thought it was going to be based on the opening level of the single player game. I was quite disappointed.

[skiadopsendow]

I like all maps seriously.
I just find difficult to play: condor, jade, goddess with randoms