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[sH0tgUn jUliA]

I agree with 3D and Archonsg

[Rustedness]

*shrug* Look at DA2's dlc marketing I suppose. They can't.

[XqctaX]

CELL55 wrote...

Stornskar wrote...

XqctaX wrote...

knowing bioware, they will probably promote it as having an effect on the ending.
after we get it we found out it adds 1 line ox text with the catalyst that has no impact what so ever on the endings.

= BSN rage + few trolls keep defending endings and bad writing

This ... actually could be (in my own cynical mind) a possibility. New DLC which affects the ending!! That effect is simply the Catalyst spending one line of dialogue acknowledging it before moving on to RGB

This is actually supported from the Leviathan Leak found in the Extended Cut Files. It mentions the Catalyst talking briefly on Leviathan.

on that day im not going to want to say " i told you so!" 
but sadly we allready know this, 
next SP dlc wont affect the ending except for at the most a few lines of dialogue with  the catalyst.

if they  market it as affecting the endings they can only blame themself for what will follow 

[christrek1982]

D24O wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

They'll play to emotions if they're smart.

how by making us more depressed?  I don't think there will be a grate deal of SP DLC after the ending kick off it will have one or two the be forgoten like DA2.

[TheRealJayDee]

Rustedness wrote...

*shrug* Look at DA2's dlc marketing I suppose. They can't.

As truly sorry as I feel for those who really liked DA2 and wanted more DLC and the expansion I can't say I'm unhappy about Bioware scrapping the DA2 support as soon as they did. Gives me a little hope that some kind of message got through.

[Archonsg]

Oh I think Bioware knows just how much they fracked up. Still, given that DLCs are pure 100% profit minus production costs its a wonder why they backed the "artistic vision" that essentially screwed with the character that the player has the most emotional attachment with.

I mean, didn't it even occur to tbem that any ending especially one as depressing as the original ending would guarantee loss of DLC sales?

You are supposed to leverage on emotional involvement and give players more of what they want, to give the player even more of an emotional payoff for playing the game. Even with the ECDLC, tbat payoff is cut short with Shepard's character murdered.

I read on the other thread that there will be a prequel, and an ME4 set several hundred years into the future. With the current state of the current end for the current Mass Effect's generation, I have ZERO interest in the Prequel.

ME4 on the other hand does interest me but there is no way I'll pre-order or even buy on day one. I'll wait a few months to let those more willing and forgiving to buy the game, play it and then talk about it here on BSN.

Since there seem to be no honest professional game reviewers out there this would be the only way to get a truer sense of what to expect from the game, a truer review of what the game is about and more importantly a truer indication of whether or not the game would be worth my time, and money spent towards Bioware.

Reap what you sow.

[MassEffect762]

Release a user friendly cross-platform mod tool so folks can make their own ending? I dunno. lol.

Other than that hype, lies or maybe just maybe produce a quality product that can stand on it's own regardless of how much people hate the endings.(myself included)

Modifié par MassEffect762, 30 juillet 2012 - 04:13 .

[Tyrium]

Archonsg wrote...

given that DLCs are pure 100% profit minus production costs its a wonder why they backed the "artistic vision" that essentially screwed with the character that the player has the most emotional attachment with.

Just pointing out - any commercial product is 100% profit minus production costs - and those costs can be very high. DLC, main game, ice-cream, it's all the same.

Also, Shepard is not murdered. If you pick control or synthesis, it's suicide, if anything, and Shep can certainly survive destroy if the EMS is high enough. I suppose you could say he/she was murdered in refusal, but really, you brought that one on yourself. You were told time and again in the game conventional victory was not possible, were you really that surprised to find out everything you'd been told was correct?

[zovoes]

TheRealJayDee wrote...

Rustedness wrote...

*shrug* Look at DA2's dlc marketing I suppose. They can't.

As truly sorry as I feel for those who really liked DA2 and wanted more DLC and the expansion I can't say I'm unhappy about Bioware scrapping the DA2 support as soon as they did. Gives me a little hope that some kind of message got through.

and yet here we are with ME3 and they have gone and done it again.....

[Tyrium]

Also, saying anyone defending the endings is a troll is, well, trollish. You don't like it, that's fine, it's your right to express your opinion (politely). To say anyone who doesn't agree with you is a troll is just childish.

Yes, I liked the endings, I got exactly what I wanted from them. That doesn't mean I'm saying you have to like them, and I can understand a lot of the criticisms, but, well, I liked it. I didn't see bad writing, I saw an interesting choice with interesting results. I interpreted it differently than you did, it doesn't mean my opinion is any less (or more) valid than yours.

[Tyrium]

I will never understand the DA2 hate either. Personally, I liked it better than origins. Sure it had its faults, but I play for characters and story, and I loved the shades of gray no clear antagonist storyline and flawed characters. The expansion pack would have been great, a proper chance to finish up Hawke's story, it's such a shame it was cancelled.

[Ticonderoga117]

The same way they sold the game OP.
Lie, cheat, misdirect, art, and a large helping of marketing.

[Jamie9]

It's not about the destination, but the journey.

[vurtual3]

Tyrium wrote...

Also, saying anyone defending the endings is a troll is, well, trollish. You don't like it, that's fine, it's your right to express your opinion (politely). To say anyone who doesn't agree with you is a troll is just childish.

Yes, I liked the endings, I got exactly what I wanted from them. That doesn't mean I'm saying you have to like them, and I can understand a lot of the criticisms, but, well, I liked it. I didn't see bad writing, I saw an interesting choice with interesting results. I interpreted it differently than you did, it doesn't mean my opinion is any less (or more) valid than yours.

+1. And the presumption that the majority of the millions of people who played the game didn't like the endings isn't neccessarily true,in fact from an admitedly small sample size of about 15(friends and workmates) who I know who played it most thought they were good. Also the comparisons to DA2 are unfair. DA2 was poor in so many ways but saved for some by the writing/characters. ME3 is in a different league in terms of graphics,combat,lack of bugs and just general lack of complete cheapness and will be there or thereabouts in all the GOTY things at the end of the year I think,and I guess that despite what many on here are saying it's hardly been an unprofitable venture for EA/BW.

And on-topic,given that most of the ending haters appear to still be on here (aka still interested in the franchise) I don't think marketing will really be problematic,all they have to do is make the first one good,add something to the lore and everyone will know about it and I doubt they'll lose much of the % of fanbase that buys sp dlc at all.

[Archonsg]

@tyrium
I said "... Shepard's character murdered." not Shepard murdered. There is a difference.

But that is not the point is it? You seem to find it acceptable and that is your right, but can't you see how the events that transpire ftom the point of view of those of us who question the validity of tge choice Shepard has to make AT THAT POINT OF TIME and see with our eyes how illogical it is for Shepard to even accept and willingly choose to commit an act of suicide, and yes, even the Destroy option was at the time an act of suicide (still waiting for a logical explanation how EMS would prevent his/ber death) on tbe behest of an insane AI.

More to the point, the Shepard I played with and got to know would NEVER have capitulated and accepted to such a "deal".

Isn't it oddly enough that the ONLY time we see the old Shepard back, the one with fire in her eyes, with faith in humanity and faith in a United Galaxy was only seen during the Refusal Option? The option that essentially came with the message "You don't want our artistic vision? So be it. Screw you!"

[Nragedreaper]

Sell it to the people that liked the endings and still play SP.

[Daverid]

I hated the Ending ... Still hate the Ending even with the EC (Although it was an improvement)

The only reason I'm going to buy the next 1 or 2 DLC is because I've got like 1600 BioWare Points spare from when I bought all the ME2 DLC and I thought, "Omg no way can they screw up Mass Effect 3 so I'm going to buy extra Points for all the ME3 DLC!!!!" ... Sigh how retarded I was.

Not only that but I contacted BioWare and EA and it's not possible to get a Refund So hello crappy ME3 DLC that I'll probably hate because it'll be Pre-Ending and I know that in the End nothing I do matters.

[Conniving_Eagle]

Tyrium wrote...

Archonsg wrote...

given that DLCs are pure 100% profit minus production costs its a wonder why they backed the "artistic vision" that essentially screwed with the character that the player has the most emotional attachment with.

Just pointing out - any commercial product is 100% profit minus production costs - and those costs can be very high. DLC, main game, ice-cream, it's all the same.

Also, Shepard is not murdered. If you pick control or synthesis, it's suicide, if anything, and Shep can certainly survive destroy if the EMS is high enough. I suppose you could say he/she was murdered in refusal, but really, you brought that one on yourself. You were told time and again in the game conventional victory was not possible, were you really that surprised to find out everything you'd been told was correct?

Bioware disagrees.

[Ghost]

Give them SMs.

Modifié par Ghost1017, 30 juillet 2012 - 05:10 .

[Conniving_Eagle]

Nragedreaper wrote...

Sell it to the people that liked the endings and still play SP.

That's a lot more trouble than what it is worth.

[Massa FX]

It'll be business as usual.

[Conniving_Eagle]

Ghost1017 wrote...

Give them SQsFQs.

Fixed.

[Conniving_Eagle]

It's too bad that Bioware actually acknowledged that DA2 was a failiure, we can't even get that much.

[Ghost]

Conniving_Eagle wrote...

Ghost1017 wrote...

Give them SMs.

Fixed.

???
EDIT: Double Fix.

Modifié par Ghost1017, 30 juillet 2012 - 05:10 .

[Zan51]

Jamie9 wrote...

It's not about the destination, but the journey.

No, it's not. Good trip to a wasteland? Forget it. Both trip and destination matter.
I loved ME3 despite the odd blip, right till the London section and the phone calls, and Bioware driving Shepard not me.

And what annoyed me as much as the ending was the fact they locked down this forum to anyone who didn't already own the game. There was no way to even read the forums. Guess they had an inkling very early on of the reaction to the game and wanted to contain it to those folk who had already parted with hard earned cash.