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[The Jackal]

I know this might have been hammered to death, I felt there is a real unclosed connection. In DA2 we never know her full story. In her DLC it did not really explain anything at all. You confronted her and walked through a mirror. I'd like to think they raised the child.

But where did the mirror go? where is now? Her and her Mother, leaves enticing clues. In DA2 her Mother makes an apperance, talking about Morrgian hinting she may not be dead. Here are my questions

1. What is the story with Morrgian, and her mother. And what is her mother exactly?

2. Where did the mirror you walked through in (Witch of the Wilds lead to?)

3. What happended to the child and will it make an apperance in DE3?

If she did make an apperance chances are she won't be in love with whomever you play since we are playing a different person most likely.

[Vox Draco]

I yet have to play "Witch Hunt" for myself, to see what happens there...but Morrigan's child ... the Dark Ritual, the soul of an old god, that's some heavy stuff, and it would be a shame if Bioware would never get back to this story.

as I just play DAO once more, this time with all DLC, I also browsed the Dragonage.wikia for some infos here and there...and this "secret codex entry" made me wonder what we might expect from DA3...because nothing here was in DA2...and the part with offsprings and two is...intriguing...

http://dragonage.wik..._Arl_Foreshadow


Codex text
Books to pursue for future endeavors.
Lost countenance: Ferelden to Orlesian Phrase Book
-Must not offend the potential landlords
Raising Spirits: Offsprings and the Fade
-Terrible two's indeed!
Forest Fall: Truth and Legend in the Search for Arlathan
-Survivors? poppycock!
The Origin of Theses: Knowing more than Everyone without Looking Like a Jackass
-Never get the time to read this. Maybe there's a stage play?

[CELL55]

One of the DAO epilogues makes mention of a 'dark haired mage insinuating herself in the Orlesian court'. The other epilogue scenes mention her being seen travelling across the Frostback Mountains. Orlais is on the other side of the Frostback Mountains. Many people believe that DA3 will take place in or around Orlais.
In DA2, as Varic is finishing his story to Cassandra, the book that was in his lap rapidly flips through its pages before closing. One of these pages depicts Morrigan. Here it is, courtesy of the DA Wiki:
 
The Devs have stated that Morrigan's story is not over.

Conclusion: It seems clear to me that Morrigan will play some role in DA3, though what it is or even if it will be in the Main Plot I cannot say.

Modifié par CELL55, 29 juillet 2012 - 04:26 .

[WotanAnubis]

CELL55 wrote...

One of the DAO epilogues makes mention of a 'dark haired mage insinuating herself in the Orlesian court'. The other epilogue scenes mention her being seen travelling across the Frostback Mountains. Orlais is on the other side of the Frostback Mountains. Many people believe that DA3 will take place in or around Orlais.

The Devs have stated that Morrigan's story is not over.

Conclusion: It seems clear to me that Morrigan will play some role in DA3, though what it is or even if it will be in the Main Plot I cannot say.

Pretty much this, yeah. This ignores Witch Hunt, of course, but I suppose the writing team could retcon that into an 'Alternate Ending' for Morrigan and the Warden, in much the same the Darkspawn Chronicles was an AU.

Of course... this does leave the problem of OGB's existence. I don't believe there are any good answers there short of minimizing her role so that his or her existence or lack thereof won't take up that much space.

Barring that, a lot of time passed between Origins and 3. You could throw in some lines in a non-OGB import about how Morrigan was forced to find some other way to achieve her goals - possibly by making use of 'Grey Warden Secrets' or something appropriately vague.

[CELL55]

WotanAnubis wrote...

CELL55 wrote...

One of the DAO epilogues makes mention of a 'dark haired mage insinuating herself in the Orlesian court'. The other epilogue scenes mention her being seen travelling across the Frostback Mountains. Orlais is on the other side of the Frostback Mountains. Many people believe that DA3 will take place in or around Orlais.

The Devs have stated that Morrigan's story is not over.

Conclusion: It seems clear to me that Morrigan will play some role in DA3, though what it is or even if it will be in the Main Plot I cannot say.

Pretty much this, yeah. This ignores Witch Hunt, of course, but I suppose the writing team could retcon that into an 'Alternate Ending' for Morrigan and the Warden, in much the same the Darkspawn Chronicles was an AU.

Of course... this does leave the problem of OGB's existence. I don't believe there are any good answers there short of minimizing her role so that his or her existence or lack thereof won't take up that much space.

Barring that, a lot of time passed between Origins and 3. You could throw in some lines in a non-OGB import about how Morrigan was forced to find some other way to achieve her goals - possibly by making use of 'Grey Warden Secrets' or something appropriately vague.

Unless they say that Morrigan simply headed to Orlais after Witch Hunt rather than before. Easy fix.
The real problem is the Old God Baby. It will be around 10ish in DA3, I think, which means it will be capable of speech and influencing the story. It could simply be presented as an abnomally powerful magical child that Morrigan had elsewhere if the Warden didn't do the Dark Ritual. A Suspiciously Similar Substitute to the OGB.

[Fallstar]

In addition there has been concert art released of Morrigan released post DA2. It was shown at some con, and I think there are only blurry screenshots of it, but it's there. You don't generally produce concept art for something that isn't a possibility going into production.

And yes, the devs have said that Morrigan's story isn't over.

[MisterJB]

I doubt it is official but it's interesting.

[The Jackal]

What I am baffled about. Clearly she was the most popular companion. I'm not certain Bioware expected her to spike up this far with fans. Yet sadly no mention of her in DA2. I was almost convinced with "Witch Hunt" they ended her storyline.

She is a remarkable person. Why wasn't she included in DA2 yet she's mentioned which lead's me to believe. Hopefulley that are going somewhere with this. I hope that the dev's understand how important she is to us and play's her out well in DA3

[Loup Blanc]

The whole Morrigan/OGB/Flemeth storyline is about the only thing that keeps me interested in the future of DA at this point. I couldn't care less about the whole Templar/Mage thing, which is probably why I disliked DA2 so much.

I sure hope she will be featured in DA3 because if not, then... I don't know. I guess I won't even lurk anymore and just move on.

Modifié par JL81, 31 juillet 2012 - 10:51 .

[Vox Draco]

JL81 wrote...

The whole Morrigan/OGB/Flemeth storyline is about the only thing that keeps me interested in the future of DA at this point. I couldn't care less about the whole Templar/Mage thing, which is probably why I disliked DA2 so much.

I sure hope she will be featured in DA3 because if not, then... I don't know. I guess I won't even lurk anymore and just move on.

Well...I have to agree to some point. The God-Child has much potential...I would love to see that the Mage/Templar-Conflict is only important in the beginning, and gets resolved midway when other matters become more important and overshadow the conflict...though if they do it a little better than in DA2 even the Mage/Templar-stuff could be interesting...

Though I am not sure if it is already stated when DA3 takes place but...if it is about 18 years after DA1 ... my guess would be the protagonist is the child...much potential storywise and gameplay-wise...

Gameplay: Certain special powers to be unlocked (remember teh Bhaalspawn?), and the status of being something special, just like the Grey Warden, the Bhaalspawn, the Jedi-Exile, the ... Hawke? Shepard? ah well...

Storywise: Being the child of the god allows Bioware to have the protagonist influence the game in many different ways,  as well as the endings....though the latest "achievements" in the ending-department with god-childs involved make me a little afraid...

Or maybe as an antagonist? A squadmember like Morrigan? A character like "Leah" from Diablo?

Ah...so much speculation...when will the first real infos be released so we can teat them apart?

[Sundance31us]

I don't know if we'll see her, but whatever we do I'm sure she'll disapprove of it.

[Rawgrim]

I am pretty sure she will pop up again. Sooner rather than later, I hope.

[CelestJP]

The God child does not even exist in my save game as i never did the ritual i just sacrificed the secret companion and went about my way so not sure how much it will even matter people might be hyping it up to more then it is

[Rawgrim]

Still...the god-child bit could be explained by Morrigan having a kid with Alistair or the other warden, and simply not telling it to the warden.

[Fast Jimmy]

Why would Morrigan be in Deus Ex 3?

[M-Taylor]

Imperium Alpha wrote...

CelestJP wrote...

The God child does not even exist in my save game as i never did the ritual i just sacrificed the secret companion and went about my way so not sure how much it will even matter people might be hyping it up to more then it is

They will probably just retcon your ending and say deal with it. Just like they did with the whole Anders thingy. Or they will find a clever way to say well... she absorbed the dying old gods soul and gave birth to a child somehow.

Either way pick your poison if they choose to put it in you better be ready for one of those scenario.

The second outcome, where they retcon it and say that she absorbed it some other way, isn't as bad as you're making out.

You as a player still made the choice to refuse the ritual. That was your choice and I hope it'll be factored in. But I also predict that Bioware will, like you said, retcon it and have Morrigan discover some other way to absorb the Old God. That still doesn't take away the fact that you had a choice to deny the ritual, it merely means that Morrigan outwitted your Warden.

Sometimes, I actually support retcons like the above scenario. It encourages players to recognise that NPCs/etc are more clever than simply vessals of story-telling that follow your protagonist were ever you go. And truthfully, it's fully within her character to discover a way to absorb the Old God without the Warden anywho. I mean, she's incredibly driven and ruthless, I could totally see her discovering a way.

[CelestJP]

nah the word your looking for its BAD writing if they recon the choice then i'll assume Bioware is indeed dead and they have surrendered their last vestment of freedom of choice to their EA Overlords

[schalafi]

I never liked Morrigan anyway, and hardly ever took her with my party. I don't like mean, sarcastic, b****y people, so it won't bother me if we never see her again.

Modifié par schalafi, 05 août 2012 - 11:42 .

[M-Taylor]

CelestJP wrote...

nah the word your looking for its BAD writing if they recon the choice then i'll assume Bioware is indeed dead and they have surrendered their last vestment of freedom of choice to their EA Overlords

No, the choice was still made. Your Warden still refused the ritual, his/hers princibles still stand and your game would still recognise that. Morrigan was simply pragmatic enough to find another way.

I think people are too harsh on Bioware. I mean, do you know how many variables each game creates? Some retconns are to be expected truth be told. What happens if they want the Old God child to be an important factor? 50% of the player base are gunna get no story at all? Do you honestly expect that?

[1483749283]

I think they do make life unnecessarily difficult for themselves. They should have made the Old God Baby (OGB) canon to begin with, thereby eliminating the need for having entire non-OGB and OGB plotlines.

They already retconned Leliana's death in some playthroughs, so to retcon the OGB wouldn't be much bigger of a step and in fact I encourage them to do it.

Plus the OGB would have been just about one million times more fascinating a focus for DA3 than the templar/mage conflict, which I personally have had enough of (though there are some vocal people around here who just love it to death and want more more more templars and mages complaining about their respective misery).

[themikefest]

if we do see her I would like to see her fighting her mother

[Giga Drill BREAKER]

everything needs more Morrigan.