Viglin wrote...
Ive seen countless threads of why Loghain is terrible, and even a few that say he isnt...but l dont think lve seen a thread stating how bad we are[ie as the Grey Warden with all the choices].
Just a few points;
-We get involved in politics, even deciding who will be King of the Dwarves
-For a more powerful army, we can have the Dalish clan wiped out[when really only their Leader wasnt fit to live], have Dwarves sacrificed to become Golems
-We can sacrifce a childs soul for power or sex, or a power to save some time
-We bribe, cheat, steal, lie, murder, seduce to get what we need..even those were "suppossed" to be helping
-We gather armies to force a Decision in the Landsmeet...and if we dont like it, we start killing Nobles[if you dont get enough votes, Arl Emaon starts a riot...just like Loghain does, or Prince Bhelen]
-We take one anyone, even assassin, bloodmages,etc
The List goes on.
I actually called out to the wife in one play through;
"Im becomming Loghain!"
So what makes us any better?
Is it because we felt betrayed cause he pulled out......would we have done the same if roles were reversed?
Is it because he tries to stop us from getting to him[and who wouldnt try to stop an enemy?]
Im not saying he was right or wrong...lm just not seeing how were any better.
After all, were not Paladins, Grey Wardens do what needs to be done.
That is one reason l was not surprised your given the option to make him a Warden...hes a perfect choice[silly me in my first play through went along with Alistars need for revenge...and not the countries. I wont make that mistake next time].
Just my opinion.
Who's this "we," kemosabe?
The sacrificing a child's sould and wiping out Dalish clans are not things I've ever done. Nor have I allowed dwarves to be burned in molten lava. I can't think of any examples of "murder" either, although there's been a lot of killing. (I didn't even listen to the Antivan crows quests, for example.) Not are these unnecessary, they are *obviously* unnecessary and have little likelihood of producing better results agains the darkspawn. And trying to compare other stuff that's left (like recruiting an assassin into your service, then not using him to assassinate anyone) to Loghain is ridiculous.
If your PC made decisions to do all those unnecessary cruel things in the name of short-term power, yes, he's getting a lot more like Loghain. Then it becomes or a more legitimate question--in fact, your PC would quite exactly the sort of person who I'd expect to murder his king, sacrifice innocent lives he swore to protect, and plunge the country into civil war. You probably would have pulled out in Loghain's shoes.
My PC would't have. Someone comes up with a promising but risky battle plan? My PC would do his part, assuming he agreed to it before the plan. It's not like the alternative plan (betray, usurp, and murder) is any less risky or more likely to succeed. That's why I think people are too *easy* on Loghain--at this point it's clear megalomania, where he believes that he, and he alone, has the ability to save Ferelden, and justifies all sorts of evil that way.
To answer your question, it's simple:
People who play with better morals think their characters are better than Loghain because they are, in fact, far better morally.
People who play for power and strength think they are better because they defeat him, despite long odds, thus proving again that they are, in fact, far better.
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