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"Reapers are not intrested in war" does not contradict "Reapers consider organic life to be inferior than them". It could be even argued that Reapers had to make harvest BECAUSE organic life is inferior, and will build synthetics to compensate their inferiority. Also, it could be aspect of psychological warfare, which would make harvest easier.
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"Is fire at war ?" is one of the stupidest analogies I've ever heard. I still can't believe that BW could put this one. As if the Reapers weren't enough retconned und dumbed down before the EC. I suppose that's what happens when you try to polish a turd.
It implies that the Reapers are just mindless tools and not even self aware. Which is absolutely contradicted by every single Reaper we met during the three games.
Yes, the Reapers consider organic life to be inferior to them. Hell, their nature, their techological advancement, the speeches of Sovereign and Harbinger convinced me more than enough about it. But it was never shown, nor even implied, in any way, during 99,5 % of the trilogy, that they would care about the odds of survival of the organic races against synthetics or their preservation. Never.
And then the Brat pops out and says, No.
From Codex. Harvesting entry.
*snip*
I know this codex entry. It explains how the organic goo necessary to make a Reaper is produced, not how it does preserve a civilization. How can a husk recognize a scientist, a writer, a sculptor, a comedian, a tramp? Is it written in their DNA?
Why don't they go to a medical laboratories, blood centers or hospitals? They'd find there great DNA samples. They kill people anyway when they turn them into a paste, so they don't need them alive. What's the point of the harvest here?
Well, Reapers also constantly tell you that "puny human brain" is incapable of understanding their work. I think that their ideas of "preservation" is completely different from that normal person would think about.
Just because the writers made Sovereign says it, doesn't mean they can ****** in my ear and tell me it's raining. They should have let their motives unknown and spare us (and themselves) the mess.
The closest analogy I am capable of making is thinking about Reapers as twisted reservation areas.
On one hand people are killing animals and destroy their natural habitat, but on the other hand people made some areas where some members of species can survive, and that considered to be enough.
In case of Reapers, they believe that civilization is preserved, when its members were reduced to DNA and fused with their creations in atwisted immortal machine.
I disagree. The surviving members in the reservation areas are
alive and pretty much in their original form. Nothing was changed in them. Only their number.
I think that even the Brat and the Reapers, as much retarded as they now are, could grasp the definition of civilization. And know that DNA samples don't solve everything. They had roughly one billion years to understand it. No, wait, they actually didn't...
The line about "salvation through destruction" is still uttered by Harbinger at the end of ME2. I admit, that your interpretation makes more sense in context of Sovereign speech, but this line is contradictory.
It means "You're a bacteria. An accident. A nuisance.
I'm going to kill you anyway, but look, if you let me harvest you (because I need you to make more of my kind and become even more powerful), you'll become part of me and it's great, since I and my homies are the pinnacle of evolution."
That's how I interpret it and I personally don't see any contradiction with Sovereign's speech, or what the games showed me.
Reapers main goal is to prevent "chaos" (inevitable conflict between organics and synthetics). The only way to prevent they have found so far (in their opinion) is to harvest advanced civilizations. In order to harvest them Reapers must be stronger. So they turn only the "best" species into strongest Reapers, while others are made into Destroyes.
Probably it has something to do with resources. I'm pretty sure that building capital ships is much harder than destroyer, and it would require much more people.
Or lauch the harvest just before the organics could become a too powerful enemy and prevent them to reproduce (replacing eventual losses from previous cycles) and/or get their upgrades.
But tell me, why did they turn the Protheans into braindead cannon fodder because they couldn't make a Reaper of them? Do you remember Mordin's words about them? Is it a way to preserve them?
As far as we know, Reapers normally do not sustain losses. Their plan is efficient. First of all, they take Citadel and behead the chain of command. Secondly, they turn off Mass Relays and, thus, communication is broken. So normally they only have to face isolated pockets of resistance of much inferior beings.
*snip*
Their plan is a really efficient and they clearly have a decisive technological advantage. But even then, I highly doubt the 0 loss. It's difficult to believe that they came out everytime unscathed and we know that they need an entire specific species to make capital ships. Hence the harvest. But not for the "greater good of every one" IMO. Just for themselves.
Also, you should remember, that Reapers are not trying to "save" everybody. They are only trying to "save" as much as possible. So they should be willing to accept casualities.
No, I think that the Reapers aren't trying to save anybody. The Galaxy is just a giant buffet where they take what they need and then go away.
That only means that they of all races have the least priority to be made into capital ship, probably.
Or simply that the vast majority of the Geth neither followed him, nor Sovereign and became a pain in the Reapers *ss.
Don't you find it disturbing that we never ever heard about or seen any synthetic race being ascended ? Not even in the codex? That every time the Reapers meddled with them, it was to turn them against the organics? Yet the Brat said (in the EC) that he preserves the synths ?
Modifié par Uncle Jo, 30 juillet 2012 - 11:26 .
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