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[Broganisity]

It's meant for classes that aren't weapon users.

An Asari Adept will get more use out of the Acolyte than a Destroyer. strip the barriers with your acolyte first to get the most damage out of your biotic explosion.

But still: the charge needs to be reduced. I've found myself thinking the charge was ready, only to release the trigger and find that 'nope, just kidding. try again'.

[Stardusk]

tallinn wrote...

Uberschveinen wrote...

Stop whining. The problem is not the Acolyte. It is the most powerful anti-shield weapon in the game. The problem is you, for using it wrong.

Actually what are you doing wrong, when shooting the Acolyte as you are supposed to do? You are open to fire for two seconds, which is deathly on Gold and Platinum. Given the fact that the Acolyte is a weapon for biotics does worsen the problem. Biotics tend to be squishy. Casting any power is quicker than getting an Acolyte shot off.

The required exposure is probably the worst thing. Cover becomes a choice between using the weapon or not.

[mrwizeguy]

Why is your profile on private op , whats u got to hide

[DHKany]

Stardusk wrote...

DHKany wrote...

I disagree, I find shields more annoying and harder to take out.

This is not an issue of opinion. Fight a Platinum Banshee. What goes down faster? Barrier or Armor? There is your answer.

Iunno, they die too fast with focus fire.
+ If you leave her alone for wat seems like a really short time, the barriers are back up.

Modifié par DHKany, 29 juillet 2012 - 12:07 .

[xtorma]

Uberschveinen wrote...

xtorma wrote...

Uberschveinen wrote...

Stop whining. The problem is not the Acolyte. It is the most powerful anti-shield weapon in the game. The problem is you, for using it wrong.

It's an unecessary weapon. Why have a weapon just to strip shields when any weapon works fine without having to charge it.

Why have the Claymore to kill enemies when the Katana works just fine?

That is how stupid your question is.

You are calling me stupid after that?

There is never a reason to insult somebody because of thier point of view.

[The Waffle Cat]

mrwizeguy wrote...

Why is your profile on private op , whats u got to hide

Pc--> hacked manifest perhaps.

[DESTRAUDO]

On gold an acolyte will strip shields off of boss characters way way faster than a harrier on almost every character. I think it is possibly the most useful weapon they have ever turned out.

[Stardusk]

xtorma wrote...

Uberschveinen wrote...

xtorma wrote...

Uberschveinen wrote...

Stop whining. The problem is not the Acolyte. It is the most powerful anti-shield weapon in the game. The problem is you, for using it wrong.

It's an unecessary weapon. Why have a weapon just to strip shields when any weapon works fine without having to charge it.

Why have the Claymore to kill enemies when the Katana works just fine?

That is how stupid your question is.

You are calling me stupid after that?

There is never a reason to insult somebody because of thier point of view.

I am puzzled that no one cares about the inability to take cover when using the weapon. That is an incredible handicap.

[viruz777]

Stardusk wrote...

xtorma wrote...

Uberschveinen wrote...

xtorma wrote...

Uberschveinen wrote...

Stop whining. The problem is not the Acolyte. It is the most powerful anti-shield weapon in the game. The problem is you, for using it wrong.

It's an unecessary weapon. Why have a weapon just to strip shields when any weapon works fine without having to charge it.

Why have the Claymore to kill enemies when the Katana works just fine?

That is how stupid your question is.

You are calling me stupid after that?

There is never a reason to insult somebody because of thier point of view.

I am puzzled that no one cares about the inability to take cover when using the weapon. That is an incredible handicap.

So are many of the other charge up weapons like the geth plasma shotgun, graal spike thrower, arc pistol, kishock harpoon gun and javelin. I think it's more of a high risk high reward sort of play. If you're concerned about cover then it's best to stick to guns which just use conventional bullets.

[Felhand]

While I detest the acolytes two main mechanics (grenade like projectile that BOUNCES and charge up time, hate charge weapons) its sheer damage vs barriers/shields and ultra light weight still make it a fairly useful utility weapon.

I have it as a afterthought on a few characters that have a paranha but have a acolyte due to not effecting the power cooldown on those characters, however being able to strip away nemisis and phantom defenses while they are in cover is a useful trick. It also drops atlas shields in like four to five shots, I was making use of it on gold with my fury (Erinya Mint ) against cerberus and hitting a nemisis/phantom/centurion with dark channel then stripping their defenses worked incredibly well.

Especially considering it was one of the "demolisher hosts camping the end of Rio" which seems to be the new FBWGG and erinya is built as a close quarters biotic, still quite a few phantoms and a few atlas paid the price for getting past the rain of grenades.

[Valmar]

Maybe it should follow the footsteps of the Arc Pistol. It can fire quickly or be charged for a more significant blast. Its an alright gun, insanely good at stripping shields on any difficulty. Though I don't think it's really a good choice for a caster. Yes, its very lightweight, but... you have to stay out of cover to charge it and fire it. That is not really all that of a easy thing to do with a squishy caster on Gold or Plat... Ironically its best suited for a bulkier, more sturdy class that can endure being out of cover long enough to use it. Or perhaps a cloaked infiltrator? On gold the enemy would probably still see him so... I don't know.

Back on topic, yeah, making it so you didn't HAVE to charge the pistol to fire it would be nicer.

[Stardusk]

viruz777 wrote...

Stardusk wrote...

xtorma wrote...

Uberschveinen wrote...

xtorma wrote...

Uberschveinen wrote...

Stop whining. The problem is not the Acolyte. It is the most powerful anti-shield weapon in the game. The problem is you, for using it wrong.

It's an unecessary weapon. Why have a weapon just to strip shields when any weapon works fine without having to charge it.

Why have the Claymore to kill enemies when the Katana works just fine?

That is how stupid your question is.

You are calling me stupid after that?

There is never a reason to insult somebody because of thier point of view.

I am puzzled that no one cares about the inability to take cover when using the weapon. That is an incredible handicap.

So are many of the other charge up weapons like the geth plasma shotgun, graal spike thrower, arc pistol, kishock harpoon gun and javelin. I think it's more of a high risk high reward sort of play. If you're concerned about cover then it's best to stick to guns which just use conventional bullets.

Neither the GPS nor the Graal FORCE you to charge. It is an option but they can be fired normally as well.

[JiceDuresh]

It's actaully a vanguard weapon. If you charge it and then Biotic charge, it will shoot your target before hitting with the Biotic charge. All charge weapons do that, plus it will charge while casting powers like Nova and Smash. No aiming required. I was doing a solo bronze to test it and killed a Phantom from full with the one shot/biotic charge combo. I don't know if it'd be the same in silver or gold though I'm trying that out now.

Edit:  Just tested, kills phantoms in one shot on silver too though not reliably.

Modifié par JiceDuresh, 29 juillet 2012 - 12:56 .

[spudspot]

Broganisity wrote...

It's meant for classes that aren't weapon users.

But these classes are often using heavy pistols, the Acolyte blocks that spot. The concept of a light gun that is good vs. shields and doesn't do much against everything else seems perfect for e.g. the Justicar, but I would've voted for an SMG that does that. (ME2, anyone?) I mean a Fury doesn't use weapons much, so if I have to choose between the Talon (with ULM in my case) and the Acolyte, it's a no brainer. 

Broganisity wrote...

But still: the charge needs to be reduced. I've found myself thinking the charge was ready, only to release the trigger and find that 'nope, just kidding. try again'.

I'd say remove it and give it a RoF that equals the one you can reach atm. The gun already has enough drawbacks, like being exposed, weird projectile trajectory, small clip-size, you need to switch weapons and so on. I doubt it would be problematic to remove a few of them. 

The Acolyte currently shows again how tough it is to balance extreme weapons. By that I mean guns that fill one role very good and are just useless in any other scenario. (Reegar is another example, only that it is very good, something I wouldn't say about the Acolyte.)

JiceDuresh wrote...

It's actaully a vanguard weapon. If you charge it and then Biotic charge, it will shoot your target before hitting with the Biotic charge. All charge weapons do that, plus it will charge while casting powers like Nova and Smash. No aiming required. I was doing a solo bronze to test it and killed a Phantom from full with the one shot/biotic charge combo. I don't know if it'd be the same in silver or gold though I'm trying that out now.

 

Well imho Vanguards are much better off with a Piranha. They aren't meant to strip boss shields.

Modifié par spudspot, 29 juillet 2012 - 12:22 .

[Prawny]

It is useful now, but charge means not being in cover, which is stupid.

[kyles3]

I'm not a fan after a few games with it, but I can see theoretically some ways the gun could work. Maybe use Throw-spam in place of normal weapon fire and keep the Acolyte charged for when you need to drop an enemy's shields or cause a stagger. Something to try when I get bored with the Demolisher, I guess.

[usctrojanbulldog]

Acolyte without charge would be way OP!

[xtorma]

Stardusk wrote...

xtorma wrote...

Uberschveinen wrote...

xtorma wrote...

Uberschveinen wrote...

Stop whining. The problem is not the Acolyte. It is the most powerful anti-shield weapon in the game. The problem is you, for using it wrong.

It's an unecessary weapon. Why have a weapon just to strip shields when any weapon works fine without having to charge it.

Why have the Claymore to kill enemies when the Katana works just fine?

That is how stupid your question is.

You are calling me stupid after that?

There is never a reason to insult somebody because of thier point of view.

I am puzzled that no one cares about the inability to take cover when using the weapon. That is an incredible handicap.

People just like to argue and get a chance to show how tough they are by insulting others who don't share thier point of view. It's just the way it is.
 
Any weapon requires you to expose yourself to potential fire. I have hurricane 4 , and it works well for me stripping shields, gives me 189% cooldown , and can take out  a trooper in a second or two if im on cooldown. it's a duel purpose weapon for me, so I don't need anything else. I don't need redundant shield stripping is all I am saying.

[Mac100]

The three options that I think would make this gun more user friendly would either be to give it the same firing pattern as the arc pistol or to to enable firing at any point in the charge cycle(damage dependent on time of charge up) and the last change would be to be able to charge gun while in cover.

[JiceDuresh]

spudspot wrote...
Well imho Vanguards are much better off with a Piranha. They aren't meant to strip boss shields.

You can take both with the Pistol ULM.  But with the Ex-cerb you use smash against bosses anyway at that range.

[bluebeam]

My casters work well with pistol only. If I equipped the Acolyte as a sidearm, which main gun would I use? A SMG? But SMGs are supposed to strip shields fast... And they are fairly short ranged compared to a normal pistol. The long charge time of the Acolyte makes it very risky to use, and you have to switch weapons when you want to use it. No, I think this pistol will stay on its rack when I use casters.

[DHKany]

bluebeam wrote...

My casters work well with pistol only. If I equipped the Acolyte as a sidearm, which main gun would I use? A SMG? But SMGs are supposed to strip shields fast... And they are fairly short ranged compared to a normal pistol. The long charge time of the Acolyte makes it very risky to use, and you have to switch weapons when you want to use it. No, I think this pistol will stay on its rack when I use casters.

Biotics basically don't even need weapons.....

[Drayce333]

Stardusk wrote...

 ...with the stress on fairly. The charge mechanic makes it quite...well, a weapon not to be taken.

It weights like nothing at X, It works amazingly as a shield/barrier stripper for bosses on any character and for trash mobs for biotic classes and its shots even Aoe/Stun.

You are using it wrong.

[Drayce333]

Damn scrubs want EZ mode on any gun/powers that are perfectly fine because it doesn't instant kill or stunlock foes, or because its to sloooow.

Go complain about how terrible Hornet is, that weapon needs the help.

[Alijah Green]

and another OP does it wrong