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[j_plemons]

http://www.superchea...yer-Difficulty/

I could find many more then 3 had I the time and the inclination

[Gazz66666]

 

SkreeMalicious wrote...

Gazz66666 wrote...

Nah. Typhoon is waaay too common now.

Players must have Brilliant Surge X to play Platinum.

lol i laughed

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You, sir, win. Have an internets.

j_plemons wrote...
The multiplayer mode in this game was included as a novelty, but has proved to be highly popular.  This said, bioware has been faithful in including more functionality to make the game more enjoyable for the playerbase.  A more refined matchmaking system is a hallmark of a more polished game, and yes gated difficulty is part of that.  I dont feel as if I am wrong for wanting this, as I have paid my hard earned $$$ to purchase not only this, but other bioware products.  I am well within my rights to create this post petitioning for this.  If you disagree that is also your right.

Judging from several responses to this post, and several other posts, I am not alone in this.

Okay. I appreciate that you've a right to your opinion, and I respect that. However, while I know that you paid your hard-earned money and expect that for that £40 or so, you should get to enjoy your game, don't you also think that the rest of us - who also paid our hard-earned £40 for the game - have the right to enjoy it as well? The rest of us including "scrubs" and people who don't have the time to spend making friends on BSN or honing their skills because, well, they're earning the money that buys them these games. That or they're contributing the nation's GDP. Or something.

At the end of the day, this is the MP mode for ME3. It's not EVE, or whatnot, where gated access to missions makes sense. It's a fairly casual, Co-Op, third-person shooter. I know everyone wants to get teamed up with people who are just as good as - or better than - they are, but sadly, not everyone is going to be that good. But that's no reason to deny them the chance of being that good or the chance of enjoying the rewards of new guns, characters etc.

I'm going to go out on a limb here and say this; Gated access and any other form of changing the games function to weed the not-so-good players out Will. Not. Be. Implemented. BioWare is a company, and as a company, it needs to make a profit. Which isn't easy when you're pandering to the hardcore fans by driving the casual gamers - who probably still make up the majority, if not a large share of the game's fans - away from the game by adding in options which promote discrimination of less-skilled players.

Time to get over that fact, accept that a public lobby is just that, and let everyone get on with enjoying the game. Honestly, the idea of a "Platinum Effect" group is the fairest way of doing this.

Modifié par Gazz66666, 29 juillet 2012 - 06:27 .

[WestLakeDragon]

How about you can only play Platinum if you're an N7 character, or a GI, and you have a maxed manifest (with Brilliant Surge X, of course), and you have an N7 of 10K+, and you've completed over 9000 Gold games.

In seriousness, it would be quite simple if there were a graduation system: Beat Bronze Once -> Beat Silver Once -> Beat Gold Once -> Beat Platinum Once = All difficulties unlocked.

Modifié par WestLakeDragon, 29 juillet 2012 - 06:26 .

[JerZey CJ]

j_plemons wrote...

Mysteryman2000 wrote...

theillusiveman11 wrote...

Make it N7 ranking based. 6,000 minimum to play Platinum.

.  If there is one thing I hate is carrying a whol bunch of randoms to the end of extraction because they don't know how to use cover or medi-gel or missiles.

Exactly

And how is that connected to their level or N7 rank? an N7 853 could just as well suck(and they often do) while the N7 110 could top the score board. Locking people out of a game mode based solely on something like level or N7 rating is stupid, and most people here agree, that those two things mean nothing.

[j_plemons]

Gazz66666 wrote...

 

SkreeMalicious wrote...

Gazz66666 wrote...

Nah. Typhoon is waaay too common now.

Players must have Brilliant Surge X to play Platinum.

lol i laughed

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You, sir, win. Have an internets.

j_plemons wrote...
The multiplayer mode in this game was included as a novelty, but has proved to be highly popular.  This said, bioware has been faithful in including more functionality to make the game more enjoyable for the playerbase.  A more refined matchmaking system is a hallmark of a more polished game, and yes gated difficulty is part of that.  I dont feel as if I am wrong for wanting this, as I have paid my hard earned $$$ to purchase not only this, but other bioware products.  I am well within my rights to create this post petitioning for this.  If you disagree that is also your right.

Judging from several responses to this post, and several other posts, I am not alone in this.

 don't you also think that the rest of us - who also paid our hard-earned £40 for the game - have the right to enjoy it as well?

How much enjoyment could you possibly have getting kicked from matches, failing at the ones you do not get kicked from, and being derided by your team mates for that failure?

[Rizzo19]

Gazz66666 wrote...

j_plemons wrote...

Why not?

Because this game is for everyone and like it or not, everyone is entitled to join whichever public lobby the game randomly puts them into. You want to kick them after that, fine, that's up to you. But it's not fair to impose a limit of which difficulty players are "allowed" to play on simply because they're new to the game. After all, you and I were both that person once.

Stop being such an elitist. It's bad form, chap.

Well said sir.

[j_plemons]

JerZeyCJ2 wrote...

j_plemons wrote...

Mysteryman2000 wrote...

theillusiveman11 wrote...

Make it N7 ranking based. 6,000 minimum to play Platinum.

.  If there is one thing I hate is carrying a whol bunch of randoms to the end of extraction because they don't know how to use cover or medi-gel or missiles.

Exactly

And how is that connected to their level or N7 rank? an N7 853 could just as well suck(and they often do) while the N7 110 could top the score board. Locking people out of a game mode based solely on something like level or N7 rating is stupid, and most people here agree, that those two things mean nothing.

By basing it on a set number of matches won on a particular difficulty.   How much fun do you think brand new players are having right now trying to get into bronze matches where few exist because almost everyone is trying to queue for gold and platinum?

[Dormiglione]

WestLakeDragon wrote...

In seriousness, it would be quite simple if there were a graduation system: Beat Bronze Once -> Beat Silver Once -> Beat Gold Once -> Beat Platinum Once = All difficulties unlocked.

+1 Thats a good idea.

[Gazz66666]

j_plemons wrote...

How much enjoyment could you possibly have getting kicked from matches, failing at the ones you do not get kicked from, and being derided by your team mates for that failure?

Perhaps that's not on the less-skilled players to stop trying to succeed at the higher difficulty levels and more on the skilled players to stop being ****s.

I don't care how bad someone is. There is precisely jack-squat reason to "deride" them for their performance. Insulting them will not help their performance in later games. Offering pointers on tactics, loadouts and whatnot will.

Which is the road to a brighter tomorrow.

[JerZey CJ]

j_plemons wrote...

JerZeyCJ2 wrote...

j_plemons wrote...

Mysteryman2000 wrote...

theillusiveman11 wrote...

Make it N7 ranking based. 6,000 minimum to play Platinum.

.  If there is one thing I hate is carrying a whol bunch of randoms to the end of extraction because they don't know how to use cover or medi-gel or missiles.

Exactly

And how is that connected to their level or N7 rank? an N7 853 could just as well suck(and they often do) while the N7 110 could top the score board. Locking people out of a game mode based solely on something like level or N7 rating is stupid, and most people here agree, that those two things mean nothing.

   How much fun do you think brand new players are having right now trying to get into bronze matches where few exist because almost everyone is trying to queue for gold and platinum?

I can find a Bronze match just fine if I look for one, don't make it out like EVERY single person currently playing ME3 MP is playing on Gold/Platinum.

[j_plemons]

Gazz66666 wrote...

j_plemons wrote...

How much enjoyment could you possibly have getting kicked from matches, failing at the ones you do not get kicked from, and being derided by your team mates for that failure?

Perhaps that's not on the less-skilled players to stop trying to succeed at the higher difficulty levels and more on the skilled players to stop being ****s.

I don't care how bad someone is. There is precisely jack-squat reason to "deride" them for their performance. Insulting them will not help their performance in later games. Offering pointers on tactics, loadouts and whatnot will.

Which is the road to a brighter tomorrow.

The internet being what it is, it is impossible to stop someone from deriding others.  I do not do it, and infact do offer pointers, which is usually met with a curt "f#$k off".  There are no amount of pointers that I can offer however to get a lvl 12 drell adept using a locust 4 and widow 2 through a platinum match.

Modifié par j_plemons, 29 juillet 2012 - 06:35 .

[thenotsothinman]

I think its easier to find a bronze or silver match than unknown/unknown/gold.

edit: actually what I mean is when I host a game of u/u/gold it takes forever for it to find one or two more players to fill the lobby.

Modifié par thenotsothinman, 29 juillet 2012 - 06:37 .

[Gashie]

How do you judge that one's time is more valuable than another's? On that note, how do you ascertain whether one goes into a match with the mindset that he would like to be carried? A lot of assumptions going on here.

And what happens to players who, by any combination of factors will never be good enough to complete Platinum, or Gold for that matter? Does that mean that will NEVER get access to a portion of the game, to even simply check out what it's like and experience it - even once? They paid the same amount give and take as you for this product, did they not?

There are already sufficient control measures in place to sift players out of the lobby if you are so inclined, or leave if you think it is not working out (or simply cannot get a successful kick because the lobby disagrees with you). Is it not better to reconsider the ramifications on the community if such an implementation were to be in place, rather than prioritising what may work for you or a select group, simply to introduce a form of convenience?

The tools are present. Use them. This is unnecessary automation you are asking for, which handicaps the content availability for part of the playerbase.

You are within your rights as anyone else to bring forward a suggestion, but kindly rethink this and prepare a better analysis of the situation and present to us a more convincing set of data for us to peruse and consider. As it stands, I personally cannot support this, as the underlying motivation for a gated access request has a strong bias and creates a larger disparity between the community. What supposedly works for another game and its community does not necessarily work for another.

[vonSlash]

What's the fuss about? Let the newbie play a round of two of lolBossSpam, and once he sees what Platinum's really about, he'll probably leave your lobby of his own accord.

[j_plemons]

Gashie wrote...

How do you judge that one's time is more valuable than another's? On that note, how do you ascertain whether one goes into a match with the mindset that he would like to be carried? A lot of assumptions going on here.

And what happens to players who, by any combination of factors will never be good enough to complete Platinum, or Gold for that matter? Does that mean that will NEVER get access to a portion of the game, to even simply check out what it's like and experience it - even once? They paid the same amount give and take as you for this product, did they not?

There are already sufficient control measures in place to sift players out of the lobby if you are so inclined, or leave if you think it is not working out (or simply cannot get a successful kick because the lobby disagrees with you). Is it not better to reconsider the ramifications on the community if such an implementation were to be in place, rather than prioritising what may work for you or a select group, simply to introduce a form of convenience?

The tools are present. Use them. This is unnecessary automation you are asking for, which handicaps the content availability for part of the playerbase.

You are within your rights as anyone else to bring forward a suggestion, but kindly rethink this and prepare a better analysis of the situation and present to us a more convincing set of data for us to peruse and consider. As it stands, I personally cannot support this, as the underlying motivation for a gated access request has a strong bias and creates a larger disparity between the community. What supposedly works for another game and its community does not necessarily work for another.

If anyone could be in the olympics, anyone would.  It takes skill, training, and preperation to succeed in anything you want to (successfully) do.  How much enjoyment can an undergeared player possibly have when he rambos away from the team on platinum, dies, and gets head stomped within 3 seconds?  How enjoyable is that for the rest of the team to make up for the loss of functionality a fourth player brings?

[GallowsPole]

For the record, I don't advocate any of this and I just leave the lobby if I get a bad feeling about it. The only reason people are jumping difficulties is to buy PSP's and they don't care how they go about getting them.

[Omega2079]

j_plemons wrote...

theillusiveman11 wrote...

Make it N7 ranking based. 6,000 minimum to play Platinum.

I would make it dependant on matches won on Gold, were I to code it.  N7 ranking is not an accurate indicator of skill.  Neither is wins honestly but it is more indicative of skill then N7 ranking.  

FBWGG = ticket to platinum.

[j_plemons]

Omega2079 wrote...

j_plemons wrote...

theillusiveman11 wrote...

Make it N7 ranking based. 6,000 minimum to play Platinum.

I would make it dependant on matches won on Gold, were I to code it.  N7 ranking is not an accurate indicator of skill.  Neither is wins honestly but it is more indicative of skill then N7 ranking.  

FBWGG = ticket to platinum.

I seem to find alot of FBWGP matches so that would be better then little to no experience in gold.

Modifié par j_plemons, 29 juillet 2012 - 06:52 .

[Gazz66666]

j_plemons wrote...

Gazz66666 wrote...

j_plemons wrote...

How much enjoyment could you possibly have getting kicked from matches, failing at the ones you do not get kicked from, and being derided by your team mates for that failure?

Perhaps that's not on the less-skilled players to stop trying to succeed at the higher difficulty levels and more on the skilled players to stop being ****s.

I don't care how bad someone is. There is precisely jack-squat reason to "deride" them for their performance. Insulting them will not help their performance in later games. Offering pointers on tactics, loadouts and whatnot will.

Which is the road to a brighter tomorrow.

The internet being what it is, it is impossible to stop someone from deriding others.  I do not do it, and infact do offer pointers, which is usually met with a curt "f#$k off".  There are no amount of pointers that I can offer however to get a lvl 12 drell adept using a locust 4 and widow 2 through a platinum match.

I know it's not possible to stop any and all derisory comments over the internet. I just find the implication that it's the fault of the less-skilled player for being less skilled, rather than the fault of the skilled player being a dick, a bit insulting.

The fact that you've given out pointers and had them thrown back in your face is dissapointing. In a case like that, where such player is not only an unskilled player but also rude and abrasive when offered help, it's all too easy to say "no-one ever takes advice". I don't often give out pointers - most of the time, the issue at hand tends to be obvious (Kroguard charging Banshees, for example) - but for example, this morning on a Gold game, an N7 33 player was hosting when I joined the lobby. A couple others joined, and, despite my reservations about this guy - who was using a Drell adept and a Locust, ironically - did fairly well. He held his own. His only mistake was that he made his run to the Extraction zone way too early which meant by the time the rest of us turned up at 45 seconds, we were covered in enemies and almost failed the mission.

Afterwards, a polite message informing him that if he'd left running to the LZ until we did, it'd have gone a bit better, was met with a positive "Ok, thanks for the advice" reply.

 People are people. Some people want to learn, some people like to think they know it all anyway. 

Modifié par Gazz66666, 29 juillet 2012 - 06:58 .

[FlowCytometry]

'Gated access' would just mean that the people you don't want queuing for it atm would just get carried on the lower settings until they fulfill the reqs, which likely wouldn't take that long anyways since carrying peeps is largely a matter of fact in pugs as is.

It'd be a waste of dev time to implement a 'gate' for difficulties that would just earn them flak from a large part of their player base- and we have vote kicks, friends lists and invites, and the option to leave a lobby or match at any time for a reason anyways.

Modifié par FlowCytometry, 29 juillet 2012 - 07:00 .

[ATLAS1192]

Very simple solution: Don't play PUG Platinum. Let the lemmings get themselves killed. If you don't have friends, find some here (pleasant people, decent skills).

[Omega2079]

j_plemons wrote...

Omega2079 wrote...

j_plemons wrote...

theillusiveman11 wrote...

Make it N7 ranking based. 6,000 minimum to play Platinum.

I would make it dependant on matches won on Gold, were I to code it.  N7 ranking is not an accurate indicator of skill.  Neither is wins honestly but it is more indicative of skill then N7 ranking.  

FBWGG = ticket to platinum.

I seem to find alot of FBWGP matches so that would be better then little to no experience in gold.

I don't think it makes for much useful experience towards platinum.

I'd rather have a few simple stats showing in the lobby. Freedom of association will always work out better than a gating scheme.

Modifié par Omega2079, 29 juillet 2012 - 07:04 .

[IAMREALITY]

Wow how ****in stupid. Kick yourself. The game, nor the universe for that matter, doesn't revolve around you...

[Zero132132]

mosesarose wrote...

find friends, play with them. Easy

What about that is easy?

[fabfreebird]

I totally agree with everything j_plemons is saying. We are NOT asking for ridiculous criteria for people to be able to play Platinum. We are asking for something that most normal Platinum players had the common sense to do before they started playing Platinum regularly.

Say you are a college/University Freshman and you want to take Calculus II badly. However, that class requires Calculus I as a pre-requisite. What do you do? ENROLL in Calculus II at the detriment of your fellow qualified peers? No. You take Calculus I to become qualified for Calculus II. Its sort of the same situation for being able to enter platinum.

And to people who say, "Just play with your friends".  Well, you assume that all my ME friends are always on at the same time.  People have things to do and its not always that easy.  I always tend to play with friends, but sometimes, they're not available and I have to play with random players, hence this whole argument. 

Modifié par fabfreebird, 29 juillet 2012 - 07:14 .