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#126
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Wow how ****in stupid. Kick yourself. The game, nor the universe for that matter, doesn't revolve around you...


Brilliant retort.  Thank you for your useful and well-thought-out commentary.  With mental giants like you about it is no wonder that internet gaming provides the rich and colorful multiplayer experience that it does.  I look forward to more informed posts from you in the future (hopefully after you graduate from grade school).

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I totally agree with everything j_plemons is saying. We are NOT asking for ridiculous criteria for people to be able to play Platinum. We are asking for something that most normal Platinum players had the common sense to do before they started playing Platinum regularly.

Say you are a college/University Freshman and you want to take Calculus II badly. However, that class requires Calculus I as a pre-requisite. What do you do? ENROLL in Calculus II at the detriment of your fellow qualified peers? No. You take Calculus I to become qualified for Calculus II. Its sort of the same situation for being able to enter platinum.

And to people who say, "Just play with your friends".  Well, you assume that all my ME friends are always on at the same time.  People have things to do and its not always that easy.  I always tend to play with friends, but sometimes, they're not available and I have to play with random players, hence this whole argument. 


Precisely

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If anyone could be in the olympics, anyone would.  It takes skill, training, and preperation to succeed in anything you want to (successfully) do.  How much enjoyment can an undergeared player possibly have when he rambos away from the team on platinum, dies, and gets head stomped within 3 seconds?  How enjoyable is that for the rest of the team to make up for the loss of functionality a fourth player brings?


Having gone though this learning curve myself I rarely play Gold and have never even tried Platinum.

However, I don't see why someone like yourself (or the OP) who clearly believe they excel at this game (Elitist?) should suggest (or agree) that players like myself should be excluded.

Someone has already suggested that people such as yourself should play with friends - Seems like a perfect solution to me.

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j_plemons wrote...

Gashie wrote...

How do you judge that one's time is more valuable than another's? On that note, how do you ascertain whether one goes into a match with the mindset that he would like to be carried? A lot of assumptions going on here.

And what happens to players who, by any combination of factors will never be good enough to complete Platinum, or Gold for that matter? Does that mean that will NEVER get access to a portion of the game, to even simply check out what it's like and experience it - even once? They paid the same amount give and take as you for this product, did they not?

There are already sufficient control measures in place to sift players out of the lobby if you are so inclined, or leave if you think it is not working out (or simply cannot get a successful kick because the lobby disagrees with you). Is it not better to reconsider the ramifications on the community if such an implementation were to be in place, rather than prioritising what may work for you or a select group, simply to introduce a form of convenience?

The tools are present. Use them. This is unnecessary automation you are asking for, which handicaps the content availability for part of the playerbase.

You are within your rights as anyone else to bring forward a suggestion, but kindly rethink this and prepare a better analysis of the situation and present to us a more convincing set of data for us to peruse and consider. As it stands, I personally cannot support this, as the underlying motivation for a gated access request has a strong bias and creates a larger disparity between the community. What supposedly works for another game and its community does not necessarily work for another.



If anyone could be in the olympics, anyone would. It takes skill, training, and preperation to succeed in anything you want to (successfully) do. How much enjoyment can an undergeared player possibly have when he rambos away from the team on platinum, dies, and gets head stomped within 3 seconds? How enjoyable is that for the rest of the team to make up for the loss of functionality a fourth player brings?


Which brings us back to the point of the current system already available. If you+rest of the team is not enjoying it, and they agree with you regarding the fourth player, the tools to rectify that are already in place. Asking for a gated access is a convenient time saver for certain players at the cost of other players' abilities to access a portion of the game's content which is there in this game for all to enjoy.

The reward for a better skilled player is that you enjoy better success ratio, earn more credits/time, and unlock more stuff faster than a lesser skilled player. In reverse the current system now already "penalises" the lesser able players with regard to the same factors - up to a maximum of three other players can effectively agree to decrease his success/entry rate by voting him out. This responsibility of restriction does NOT need to fall into Bioware's hands when the current measures are sufficient to arrive at the same result.

The problem is being compounded in that Bronze to Gold has no defining characteristics that singularly prepares a player for the challenge that is platinum. As mentioned one who possibly farms FBWGG and has no experience in other gold games continuously to achieve "certification" for platinum might still be more ill prepared compared to "legitimate" gold players. Why restrict access when the means to achieve it are not perfect to accomplish.

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players who join a platinum lobby with a level 4 character with their common weapons at level III is a drag to the rest of teammates who were also randomly put in that lobby.

they are, by effect, taking away other players' game play experiences.

enforcing at least some kind of qualifiers, however minimal and basic they maybe, ie) character level above 15+, wouldn't be a bad idea.

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WilliamYZFR1 wrote...

j_plemons wrote...



If anyone could be in the olympics, anyone would.  It takes skill, training, and preperation to succeed in anything you want to (successfully) do.  How much enjoyment can an undergeared player possibly have when he rambos away from the team on platinum, dies, and gets head stomped within 3 seconds?  How enjoyable is that for the rest of the team to make up for the loss of functionality a fourth player brings?


Having gone though this learning curve myself I rarely play Gold and have never even tried Platinum.

However, I don't see why someone like yourself (or the OP) who clearly believe they excel at this game (Elitist?) should suggest (or agree) that players like myself should be excluded.

Someone has already suggested that people such as yourself should play with friends - Seems like a perfect solution to me.



Eh, I think you're missing our argument.  You will eventually play Gold and then Platinum and it'll happen naturally.  Our problem is with people who are not doing a natural progression towards Platinum and are wasting their own and other people's time. 

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fabfreebird wrote...

I totally agree with everything j_plemons is saying. We are NOT asking for ridiculous criteria for people to be able to play Platinum. We are asking for something that most normal Platinum players had the common sense to do before they started playing Platinum regularly.

Say you are a college/University Freshman and you want to take Calculus II badly. However, that class requires Calculus I as a pre-requisite. What do you do? ENROLL in Calculus II at the detriment of your fellow qualified peers? No. You take Calculus I to become qualified for Calculus II. Its sort of the same situation for being able to enter platinum.

And to people who say, "Just play with your friends".  Well, you assume that all my ME friends are always on at the same time.  People have things to do and its not always that easy.  I always tend to play with friends, but sometimes, they're not available and I have to play with random players, hence this whole argument. 


Excuse me while I finish my PhD thesis in sarcasm before I can create my witty comeback.

And you don't think that some "randoms" aren't in the same boat as your friends? Too busy to spend all their time on the game but trying their best to enjoy it regardless. But it's okay to force them to be perfect Gold players before they even get a shot at Platinum because they're just "randoms", and not your friends.

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j_plemons wrote...

Diablo 3
World of Warcraft and other MM0s have "tiers" of PVP based on characters "level"

Do I need to list the other MMOs?


The games you mentioned implement that purely for balance purposes based on character level. A level 1 Barbarian couldn't survive a single swing from a Nightmare difficulty zombie. Similarly, a level 1 Mage in WoW will never defeat a level 85 Mage in PvP.

Meanwhile, a group of level 1 Soldiers with Avengers could potentially extract on Platinum.

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j_plemons wrote...

fabfreebird wrote...

I totally agree with everything j_plemons is saying. We are NOT asking for ridiculous criteria for people to be able to play Platinum. We are asking for something that most normal Platinum players had the common sense to do before they started playing Platinum regularly.

Say you are a college/University Freshman and you want to take Calculus II badly. However, that class requires Calculus I as a pre-requisite. What do you do? ENROLL in Calculus II at the detriment of your fellow qualified peers? No. You take Calculus I to become qualified for Calculus II. Its sort of the same situation for being able to enter platinum.

And to people who say, "Just play with your friends".  Well, you assume that all my ME friends are always on at the same time.  People have things to do and its not always that easy.  I always tend to play with friends, but sometimes, they're not available and I have to play with random players, hence this whole argument. 


Precisely


Players as good as you two must be inundated with friend requests.Accept a few more and your playground will always be full.

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players who join a platinum lobby with a level 4 character with their common weapons at level III is a drag to the rest of teammates who were also randomly put in that lobby.

they are, by effect, taking away other players' game play experiences.

enforcing at least some kind of qualifiers, however minimal and basic they maybe, ie) character level above 15+, wouldn't be a bad idea.


Thank you, my point exactly

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Schneidend wrote...

j_plemons wrote...

Diablo 3
World of Warcraft and other MM0s have "tiers" of PVP based on characters "level"

Do I need to list the other MMOs?


The games you mentioned implement that purely for balance purposes based on character level. A level 1 Barbarian couldn't survive a single swing from a Nightmare difficulty zombie. Similarly, a level 1 Mage in WoW will never defeat a level 85 Mage in PvP.

Meanwhile, a group of level 1 Soldiers with Avengers could potentially extract on Platinum.


No, they could not.

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Gazz66666 wrote...

fabfreebird wrote...

I totally agree with everything j_plemons is saying. We are NOT asking for ridiculous criteria for people to be able to play Platinum. We are asking for something that most normal Platinum players had the common sense to do before they started playing Platinum regularly.

Say you are a college/University Freshman and you want to take Calculus II badly. However, that class requires Calculus I as a pre-requisite. What do you do? ENROLL in Calculus II at the detriment of your fellow qualified peers? No. You take Calculus I to become qualified for Calculus II. Its sort of the same situation for being able to enter platinum.

And to people who say, "Just play with your friends".  Well, you assume that all my ME friends are always on at the same time.  People have things to do and its not always that easy.  I always tend to play with friends, but sometimes, they're not available and I have to play with random players, hence this whole argument. 


Excuse me while I finish my PhD thesis in sarcasm before I can create my witty comeback.

And you don't think that some "randoms" aren't in the same boat as your friends? Too busy to spend all their time on the game but trying their best to enjoy it regardless. But it's okay to force them to be perfect Gold players before they even get a shot at Platinum because they're just "randoms", and not your friends.


You're right.  I don't wanna tell people how to play.  But if you think that a bunch of N7 40's can beat Platinum with their Avenger III's, go ahead.

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Gazz66666 wrote...

fabfreebird wrote...

I totally agree with everything j_plemons is saying. We are NOT asking for ridiculous criteria for people to be able to play Platinum. We are asking for something that most normal Platinum players had the common sense to do before they started playing Platinum regularly.

Say you are a college/University Freshman and you want to take Calculus II badly. However, that class requires Calculus I as a pre-requisite. What do you do? ENROLL in Calculus II at the detriment of your fellow qualified peers? No. You take Calculus I to become qualified for Calculus II. Its sort of the same situation for being able to enter platinum.

And to people who say, "Just play with your friends".  Well, you assume that all my ME friends are always on at the same time.  People have things to do and its not always that easy.  I always tend to play with friends, but sometimes, they're not available and I have to play with random players, hence this whole argument. 


 But it's okay to force them to be perfect Gold players before they even get a shot at Platinum because they're just "randoms", and not your friends.


Perfect?  No.  No one is perfect. 
Knowledable with at least a decent idea of how higher (and lower) tier matches work?  Yes, please

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^^^^This. Playing some Silver and Gold matches will give you an idea of how the game works. Jumping into Platinum will not.

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I paid 50€ for the game and no ****face is unlocking anything for the sake of PUGs.
That is the commoners idea. Yes, I've beat Gold on many many occasions. I only farm Platium.
As for the argument, get friends. From the groups. Mindblowing isn't it.

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I don't care if I play with randoms and get access to the initial preparation screen: I can still make some choices and decide if I join or not a certain lobby...but to be thrown directly and without warning in the middle of a wave with only one other player who stupidly decided to solo platinum hoping others would join him just to find myself impaled by a banshee even before I could see something on my screen is a total bad joke (yes this just happened to me..and I lost good gear too).

Modifié par Darth333, 29 juillet 2012 - 07:38 .


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You're right.  I don't wanna tell people how to play.  But if you think that a bunch of N7 40's can beat Platinum with their Avenger III's, go ahead.


I'd doubt their chances, but i'd not rule it out. I just don't think they should be denied the chance.

This thread is turning into a hotbed of double standards. People going on about "randoms spoiling everyone else's fun" and agreeing that the best way to solve this problem is a feature that spoils their fun instead.

Dear lord people. This is why we can't have nice things.

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Darth333 wrote...

I don't care if I play with randoms and get access to the initial preparation screen: i can still make some choices...but to be thrown directly and without warning in the middle of a wave with only one other player who stupidly decided to solo platinum hoping others would join him just to find myself impaled by a banshee even before I could see something on my screen is a total bad joke (yes this just happened to me).


I had forgotten about this, thank you for bringing it up.

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No, they could not.


Do you really want me to ask zhk to post a video of he and his friends doing it? Dunno if he still plays, but if he does, he'd probably do it if people asked.

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No

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j_plemons wrote...

Schneidend wrote...

j_plemons wrote...

Diablo 3
World of Warcraft and other MM0s have "tiers" of PVP based on characters "level"

Do I need to list the other MMOs?


The games you mentioned implement that purely for balance purposes based on character level. A level 1 Barbarian couldn't survive a single swing from a Nightmare difficulty zombie. Similarly, a level 1 Mage in WoW will never defeat a level 85 Mage in PvP.

Meanwhile, a group of level 1 Soldiers with Avengers could potentially extract on Platinum.


No, they could not.


Is this a challenge? This sounds a lot like a challenge to me, guys.

Somebody should do this and post the video on youtube.

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Schneidend wrote...

j_plemons wrote...

No, they could not.


Do you really want me to ask zhk to post a video of he and his friends doing it? Dunno if he still plays, but if he does, he'd probably do it if people asked.


It would not serve to illustrate your point.  Having someone who has played the game for a long time be competent is not the same as a random who (admit it, there are not many very skilled players who start new toons just for lulz) probably has not played the game very much jumping into platinum.

I am not saying that could not occur, I am saying the likelihood of it is very rare.

Edit:  I can and do regularly let players who have good gear play level one characters on gold.  When I play platinum I play to win, not level someone else, gain them experience, or offer them instruction.

Modifié par j_plemons, 29 juillet 2012 - 07:35 .


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We're questioning EXPERIENCE here. I'm sure RedJohn could solo Platinum with a Drellguard if you asked him, but he's been playing a while. An N7 30 has no EXPERIENCE, let alone the requisite weapons and gear to beat a random Platinum game.

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I don't play Platinum. Won't. Gold/Silver are plenty fine.

But, no.

If some L4 Drell adept with his Cami III wants to play Platinum and gret his backside whooped, whoTF are you to tell him no?

He paid $60, same as you.

Now, if you and your elitist pals wanna pay $5-10 extra a month for the priviledge, then you can have a serious "gating" discussion.

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Nissun wrote...

j_plemons wrote...

Schneidend wrote...

j_plemons wrote...

Diablo 3
World of Warcraft and other MM0s have "tiers" of PVP based on characters "level"

Do I need to list the other MMOs?


The games you mentioned implement that purely for balance purposes based on character level. A level 1 Barbarian couldn't survive a single swing from a Nightmare difficulty zombie. Similarly, a level 1 Mage in WoW will never defeat a level 85 Mage in PvP.

Meanwhile, a group of level 1 Soldiers with Avengers could potentially extract on Platinum.


No, they could not.


Is this a challenge? This sounds a lot like a challenge to me, guys.

Somebody should do this and post the video on youtube.


Prehaps they could.  I am sure you would happily group with them on the Platinum difficulty matches you play.  I would not.