IAMREALITY wrote...
Wow how ****in stupid. Kick yourself. The game, nor the universe for that matter, doesn't revolve around you...
fabfreebird wrote...
I totally agree with everything j_plemons is saying. We are NOT asking for ridiculous criteria for people to be able to play Platinum. We are asking for something that most normal Platinum players had the common sense to do before they started playing Platinum regularly.
Say you are a college/University Freshman and you want to take Calculus II badly. However, that class requires Calculus I as a pre-requisite. What do you do? ENROLL in Calculus II at the detriment of your fellow qualified peers? No. You take Calculus I to become qualified for Calculus II. Its sort of the same situation for being able to enter platinum.
And to people who say, "Just play with your friends". Well, you assume that all my ME friends are always on at the same time. People have things to do and its not always that easy. I always tend to play with friends, but sometimes, they're not available and I have to play with random players, hence this whole argument.
j_plemons wrote...
If anyone could be in the olympics, anyone would. It takes skill, training, and preperation to succeed in anything you want to (successfully) do. How much enjoyment can an undergeared player possibly have when he rambos away from the team on platinum, dies, and gets head stomped within 3 seconds? How enjoyable is that for the rest of the team to make up for the loss of functionality a fourth player brings?
j_plemons wrote...
Gashie wrote...
How do you judge that one's time is more valuable than another's? On that note, how do you ascertain whether one goes into a match with the mindset that he would like to be carried? A lot of assumptions going on here.
And what happens to players who, by any combination of factors will never be good enough to complete Platinum, or Gold for that matter? Does that mean that will NEVER get access to a portion of the game, to even simply check out what it's like and experience it - even once? They paid the same amount give and take as you for this product, did they not?
There are already sufficient control measures in place to sift players out of the lobby if you are so inclined, or leave if you think it is not working out (or simply cannot get a successful kick because the lobby disagrees with you). Is it not better to reconsider the ramifications on the community if such an implementation were to be in place, rather than prioritising what may work for you or a select group, simply to introduce a form of convenience?
The tools are present. Use them. This is unnecessary automation you are asking for, which handicaps the content availability for part of the playerbase.
You are within your rights as anyone else to bring forward a suggestion, but kindly rethink this and prepare a better analysis of the situation and present to us a more convincing set of data for us to peruse and consider. As it stands, I personally cannot support this, as the underlying motivation for a gated access request has a strong bias and creates a larger disparity between the community. What supposedly works for another game and its community does not necessarily work for another.
If anyone could be in the olympics, anyone would. It takes skill, training, and preperation to succeed in anything you want to (successfully) do. How much enjoyment can an undergeared player possibly have when he rambos away from the team on platinum, dies, and gets head stomped within 3 seconds? How enjoyable is that for the rest of the team to make up for the loss of functionality a fourth player brings?
WilliamYZFR1 wrote...
j_plemons wrote...
If anyone could be in the olympics, anyone would. It takes skill, training, and preperation to succeed in anything you want to (successfully) do. How much enjoyment can an undergeared player possibly have when he rambos away from the team on platinum, dies, and gets head stomped within 3 seconds? How enjoyable is that for the rest of the team to make up for the loss of functionality a fourth player brings?
Having gone though this learning curve myself I rarely play Gold and have never even tried Platinum.
However, I don't see why someone like yourself (or the OP) who clearly believe they excel at this game (Elitist?) should suggest (or agree) that players like myself should be excluded.
Someone has already suggested that people such as yourself should play with friends - Seems like a perfect solution to me.
fabfreebird wrote...
I totally agree with everything j_plemons is saying. We are NOT asking for ridiculous criteria for people to be able to play Platinum. We are asking for something that most normal Platinum players had the common sense to do before they started playing Platinum regularly.
Say you are a college/University Freshman and you want to take Calculus II badly. However, that class requires Calculus I as a pre-requisite. What do you do? ENROLL in Calculus II at the detriment of your fellow qualified peers? No. You take Calculus I to become qualified for Calculus II. Its sort of the same situation for being able to enter platinum.
And to people who say, "Just play with your friends". Well, you assume that all my ME friends are always on at the same time. People have things to do and its not always that easy. I always tend to play with friends, but sometimes, they're not available and I have to play with random players, hence this whole argument.
j_plemons wrote...
Diablo 3
World of Warcraft and other MM0s have "tiers" of PVP based on characters "level"
Do I need to list the other MMOs?
j_plemons wrote...
fabfreebird wrote...
I totally agree with everything j_plemons is saying. We are NOT asking for ridiculous criteria for people to be able to play Platinum. We are asking for something that most normal Platinum players had the common sense to do before they started playing Platinum regularly.
Say you are a college/University Freshman and you want to take Calculus II badly. However, that class requires Calculus I as a pre-requisite. What do you do? ENROLL in Calculus II at the detriment of your fellow qualified peers? No. You take Calculus I to become qualified for Calculus II. Its sort of the same situation for being able to enter platinum.
And to people who say, "Just play with your friends". Well, you assume that all my ME friends are always on at the same time. People have things to do and its not always that easy. I always tend to play with friends, but sometimes, they're not available and I have to play with random players, hence this whole argument.
Precisely
Ankarah wrote...
players who join a platinum lobby with a level 4 character with their common weapons at level III is a drag to the rest of teammates who were also randomly put in that lobby.
they are, by effect, taking away other players' game play experiences.
enforcing at least some kind of qualifiers, however minimal and basic they maybe, ie) character level above 15+, wouldn't be a bad idea.
Schneidend wrote...
j_plemons wrote...
Diablo 3
World of Warcraft and other MM0s have "tiers" of PVP based on characters "level"
Do I need to list the other MMOs?
The games you mentioned implement that purely for balance purposes based on character level. A level 1 Barbarian couldn't survive a single swing from a Nightmare difficulty zombie. Similarly, a level 1 Mage in WoW will never defeat a level 85 Mage in PvP.
Meanwhile, a group of level 1 Soldiers with Avengers could potentially extract on Platinum.
Gazz66666 wrote...
fabfreebird wrote...
I totally agree with everything j_plemons is saying. We are NOT asking for ridiculous criteria for people to be able to play Platinum. We are asking for something that most normal Platinum players had the common sense to do before they started playing Platinum regularly.
Say you are a college/University Freshman and you want to take Calculus II badly. However, that class requires Calculus I as a pre-requisite. What do you do? ENROLL in Calculus II at the detriment of your fellow qualified peers? No. You take Calculus I to become qualified for Calculus II. Its sort of the same situation for being able to enter platinum.
And to people who say, "Just play with your friends". Well, you assume that all my ME friends are always on at the same time. People have things to do and its not always that easy. I always tend to play with friends, but sometimes, they're not available and I have to play with random players, hence this whole argument.
Excuse me while I finish my PhD thesis in sarcasm before I can create my witty comeback.
And you don't think that some "randoms" aren't in the same boat as your friends? Too busy to spend all their time on the game but trying their best to enjoy it regardless. But it's okay to force them to be perfect Gold players before they even get a shot at Platinum because they're just "randoms", and not your friends.
Gazz66666 wrote...
fabfreebird wrote...
I totally agree with everything j_plemons is saying. We are NOT asking for ridiculous criteria for people to be able to play Platinum. We are asking for something that most normal Platinum players had the common sense to do before they started playing Platinum regularly.
Say you are a college/University Freshman and you want to take Calculus II badly. However, that class requires Calculus I as a pre-requisite. What do you do? ENROLL in Calculus II at the detriment of your fellow qualified peers? No. You take Calculus I to become qualified for Calculus II. Its sort of the same situation for being able to enter platinum.
And to people who say, "Just play with your friends". Well, you assume that all my ME friends are always on at the same time. People have things to do and its not always that easy. I always tend to play with friends, but sometimes, they're not available and I have to play with random players, hence this whole argument.
But it's okay to force them to be perfect Gold players before they even get a shot at Platinum because they're just "randoms", and not your friends.
Modifié par Darth333, 29 juillet 2012 - 07:38 .
fabfreebird wrote...
You're right. I don't wanna tell people how to play. But if you think that a bunch of N7 40's can beat Platinum with their Avenger III's, go ahead.
Darth333 wrote...
I don't care if I play with randoms and get access to the initial preparation screen: i can still make some choices...but to be thrown directly and without warning in the middle of a wave with only one other player who stupidly decided to solo platinum hoping others would join him just to find myself impaled by a banshee even before I could see something on my screen is a total bad joke (yes this just happened to me).
j_plemons wrote...
No, they could not.
j_plemons wrote...
Schneidend wrote...
j_plemons wrote...
Diablo 3
World of Warcraft and other MM0s have "tiers" of PVP based on characters "level"
Do I need to list the other MMOs?
The games you mentioned implement that purely for balance purposes based on character level. A level 1 Barbarian couldn't survive a single swing from a Nightmare difficulty zombie. Similarly, a level 1 Mage in WoW will never defeat a level 85 Mage in PvP.
Meanwhile, a group of level 1 Soldiers with Avengers could potentially extract on Platinum.
No, they could not.
Schneidend wrote...
j_plemons wrote...
No, they could not.
Do you really want me to ask zhk to post a video of he and his friends doing it? Dunno if he still plays, but if he does, he'd probably do it if people asked.
Modifié par j_plemons, 29 juillet 2012 - 07:35 .
Nissun wrote...
j_plemons wrote...
Schneidend wrote...
j_plemons wrote...
Diablo 3
World of Warcraft and other MM0s have "tiers" of PVP based on characters "level"
Do I need to list the other MMOs?
The games you mentioned implement that purely for balance purposes based on character level. A level 1 Barbarian couldn't survive a single swing from a Nightmare difficulty zombie. Similarly, a level 1 Mage in WoW will never defeat a level 85 Mage in PvP.
Meanwhile, a group of level 1 Soldiers with Avengers could potentially extract on Platinum.
No, they could not.
Is this a challenge? This sounds a lot like a challenge to me, guys.
Somebody should do this and post the video on youtube.
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