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[BaeBunni]

theillusiveman11 wrote...

Make it N7 ranking based. 6,000 minimum to play Platinum.

You must be high. I have nearly every gold weapon unlocked and 90% of the classes unlocked. and I'm n7 670 because I don't keep redoing my character over and over.

[WilliamYZFR1]

fabfreebird wrote...

WilliamYZFR1 wrote...

j_plemons wrote...



If anyone could be in the olympics, anyone would.  It takes skill, training, and preperation to succeed in anything you want to (successfully) do.  How much enjoyment can an undergeared player possibly have when he rambos away from the team on platinum, dies, and gets head stomped within 3 seconds?  How enjoyable is that for the rest of the team to make up for the loss of functionality a fourth player brings?

Having gone though this learning curve myself I rarely play Gold and have never even tried Platinum.

However, I don't see why someone like yourself (or the OP) who clearly believe they excel at this game (Elitist?) should suggest (or agree) that players like myself should be excluded.

Someone has already suggested that people such as yourself should play with friends - Seems like a perfect solution to me.

Eh, I think you're missing our argument.  You will eventually play Gold and then Platinum and it'll happen naturally.  Our problem is with people who are not doing a natural progression towards Platinum and are wasting their own and other people's time. 

I think you are missing the point.- I choose not to play Platinum because its MY choice. My competence/suitabilty to play Platinum is currently not determined by others. Long may it remain that way.

[j_plemons]

cerberus1701 wrote...

I don't play Platinum. Won't. Gold/Silver are plenty fine.

Play a few Platinum matches with people who dont have the requiste gear, run around the map ramboing, and refuse to use medi-gels and missiles.  Then come back and share your experience.

Modifié par j_plemons, 29 juillet 2012 - 07:40 .

[j_plemons]

BaeBunni wrote...

theillusiveman11 wrote...

Make it N7 ranking based. 6,000 minimum to play Platinum.

You must be high. I have nearly every gold weapon unlocked and 90% of the classes unlocked. and I'm n7 670 because I don't keep redoing my character over and over.

Obvious Troll

[WilliamYZFR1]

fabfreebird wrote...

WilliamYZFR1 wrote...

j_plemons wrote...



If anyone could be in the olympics, anyone would.  It takes skill, training, and preperation to succeed in anything you want to (successfully) do.  How much enjoyment can an undergeared player possibly have when he rambos away from the team on platinum, dies, and gets head stomped within 3 seconds?  How enjoyable is that for the rest of the team to make up for the loss of functionality a fourth player brings?

Having gone though this learning curve myself I rarely play Gold and have never even tried Platinum.

However, I don't see why someone like yourself (or the OP) who clearly believe they excel at this game (Elitist?) should suggest (or agree) that players like myself should be excluded.

Someone has already suggested that people such as yourself should play with friends - Seems like a perfect solution to me.

Eh, I think you're missing our argument.  You will eventually play Gold and then Platinum and it'll happen naturally.  Our problem is with people who are not doing a natural progression towards Platinum and are wasting their own and other people's time. 

I think you are missing the point.- I choose not to play Platinum because its MY choice. My competence/suitabilty to play Platinum is currently not determined by others. Long may it remain that way.

[fabfreebird]

When you DO choose to play a random Platinum, it will be determined by players who have no business being there. Then you'll see where we're coming from. 

Modifié par fabfreebird, 29 juillet 2012 - 07:43 .

[j_plemons]

WilliamYZFR1 wrote...

fabfreebird wrote...

WilliamYZFR1 wrote...

j_plemons wrote...



If anyone could be in the olympics, anyone would.  It takes skill, training, and preperation to succeed in anything you want to (successfully) do.  How much enjoyment can an undergeared player possibly have when he rambos away from the team on platinum, dies, and gets head stomped within 3 seconds?  How enjoyable is that for the rest of the team to make up for the loss of functionality a fourth player brings?

Having gone though this learning curve myself I rarely play Gold and have never even tried Platinum.

However, I don't see why someone like yourself (or the OP) who clearly believe they excel at this game (Elitist?) should suggest (or agree) that players like myself should be excluded.

Someone has already suggested that people such as yourself should play with friends - Seems like a perfect solution to me.

Eh, I think you're missing our argument.  You will eventually play Gold and then Platinum and it'll happen naturally.  Our problem is with people who are not doing a natural progression towards Platinum and are wasting their own and other people's time. 

I think you are missing the point.- I choose not to play Platinum because its MY choice. My competence/suitabilty to play Platinum is currently not determined by others. Long may it remain that way.

Actually it is, via the kick system, which is time consuming, which is why we are here.

[Bruceski]

I don't boot for anything other than level 14 or lower (after that most builds can have enough of their main skills). Haven't lost a Platinum yet aside from my first one where people wanted to try GEngineer swarming with shield turrets and we wound up without enough armor damage to take out the Banshee swarms on wave 9, plus getting cornered and all that fun stuff you learn not to do. They haven't all been easy, but I've walked away with the credits.

[j_plemons]

Bruceski wrote...

I don't boot for anything other than level 14 or lower (after that most builds can have enough of their main skills). Haven't lost a Platinum yet aside from my first one where people wanted to try GEngineer swarming with shield turrets and we wound up without enough armor damage to take out the Banshee swarms on wave 9, plus getting cornered and all that fun stuff you learn not to do. They haven't all been easy, but I've walked away with the credits.

So you have never had to boot anyone?  You are in the minority I fear.

[Hackulator]

Make friends, problem solved! Can't make friends? Your problems are larger than your issues with Platinum.

[cerberus1701]

j_plemons wrote...

cerberus1701 wrote...

I don't play Platinum. Won't. Gold/Silver are plenty fine.

Play a few Platinum matches with people who dont have the requiste gear, run around the map ramboing, and refuse to use medi-gels and missiles.  Then come back and share your experience.

Then quit.

Or host.

Or just look at the truth of the matter: that you've purchased a game that allows anyone to play at any difficulty they choose to play and suck it up.

Again, if you want gated Platinum, pay for it. Stop trying to tell other people how they can or should play.

[Schneidend]

j_plemons wrote...
It would not serve to illustrate your point.  Having someone who has played the game for a long time be competent is not the same as a random who (admit it, there are not many very skilled players who start new toons just for lulz) probably has not played the game very much jumping into platinum.

I am not saying that could not occur, I am saying the likelihood of it is very rare.

Edit:  I can and do regularly let players who have good gear play level one characters on gold.  When I play platinum I play to win, not level someone else, gain them experience, or offer them instruction.

Well, first of all, it would serve to illustrate my point exactly. I said it could be done, and you said it could not. If it gets done, then it gets done. That it could be done is a fact.

Anyway, back on-topic, no measure they could realistically implement would ensure a terrible player doesn't play a random Platinum. Anybody can farm WGG and have a Claymore X. That doesn't mean they can wield it effectively.

All gated access would accomplish is keep out perfectly capable players who want to try Platinum but haven't met whatever entirely arbitrary requirement you could set.

And, just like you're not playing to carry anybody, randoms aren't playing to help you win, either. Nobody cares what you want, and they're perfectly within their rights as players who paid for the game to not care. Unless you paid their entry fee, your desires for what they do with their game time are irrelevant.

Make friends, play with them. Bioware has already provided the solution to your problem.

[cerberus1701]

Schneidend wrote...

j_plemons wrote...
It would not serve to illustrate your point.  Having someone who has played the game for a long time be competent is not the same as a random who (admit it, there are not many very skilled players who start new toons just for lulz) probably has not played the game very much jumping into platinum.

I am not saying that could not occur, I am saying the likelihood of it is very rare.

Edit:  I can and do regularly let players who have good gear play level one characters on gold.  When I play platinum I play to win, not level someone else, gain them experience, or offer them instruction.

Well, first of all, it would serve to illustrate my point exactly. I said it could be done, and you said it could not. If it gets done, then it gets done. That it could be done is a fact.

Anyway, back on-topic, no measure they could realistically implement would ensure a terrible player doesn't play a random Platinum. Anybody can farm WGG and have a Claymore X. That doesn't mean they can wield it effectively.

All gated access would accomplish is keep out perfectly capable players who want to try Platinum but haven't met whatever entirely arbitrary requirement you could set.

And, just like you're not playing to carry anybody, randoms aren't playing to help you win, either. Nobody cares what you want, and they're perfectly within their rights as players who paid for the game to not care. Unless you paid their entry fee, your desires for what they do with their game time are irrelevant.

Make friends, play with them. Bioware has already provided the solution to your problem.

What he said.

[fabfreebird]

I already brought up the point about friends. I mostly play with my friends. But to assume that they're always on at the same time I am and vice versa is crazy.

[Asebstos]

Easiest solution, as I see it, would be to tie it to the Unwavering achievement. That way it isn't tied to rank/gear/farming, but instead tied to being able to get to extraction on a wide variety of maps on Gold. Or beating the SP on Insanity, which is also decent.

Modifié par Asebstos, 29 juillet 2012 - 07:53 .

[defleshing]

i think they should make all the platinum players stick to bronze and the bronze players play platinum

Modifié par defleshing, 29 juillet 2012 - 08:09 .

[Schneidend]

fabfreebird wrote...

I already brought up the point about friends. I mostly play with my friends. But to assume that they're always on at the same time I am and vice versa is crazy.

Sounds like a personal problem, for which Bioware is not responsible.

[fabfreebird]

Asebstos wrote...

Easiest solution, as I see it, would be to tie it to the Unwavering achievement.

100% agree!  Its not arbitrary and would solve the issue. 

[FoggyFishburne]

I'm down with that. I'm tired of all the dirty degenerates taking all my time for nothing. Morons that don't even use a single rocket to save the team. People who don't even use medigel when on wave 10. I know this is a **** community but wow. You morons astound me with your stupidity. So yeah, some kind of matchmaking system that only pairs people with a brain together to play Plat would be awesome. Never gonna happen though so I guess I'm stuck with idiots... Yay me.

[fabfreebird]

Schneidend wrote...

fabfreebird wrote...

I already brought up the point about friends. I mostly play with my friends. But to assume that they're always on at the same time I am and vice versa is crazy.

Sounds like a personal problem, for which Bioware is not responsible.

Its not a personal problem at all.  And I'm not holding Bioware responsible.

[Schneidend]

fabfreebird wrote...

Its not a personal problem at all.  And I'm not holding Bioware responsible.

Then I guess they don't need to waste time implementing features that are stupid.

[Bruceski]

j_plemons wrote...

Bruceski wrote...

I don't boot for anything other than level 14 or lower (after that most builds can have enough of their main skills). Haven't lost a Platinum yet aside from my first one where people wanted to try GEngineer swarming with shield turrets and we wound up without enough armor damage to take out the Banshee swarms on wave 9, plus getting cornered and all that fun stuff you learn not to do. They haven't all been easy, but I've walked away with the credits.

So you have never had to boot anyone?  You are in the minority I fear.

 I've run with N7 20s and N7 3000s.  I've run with folks who say "this is my first Platnum, sorry if I suck" and people who claim to be experts, dictate everyone else's actions and throw a tantrum when it isn't followed (I call this one the RTS, expects to micromanage the entire team, probably measures success in clicks per minute).  The weak links tend to be the guys with some experience under their belts, the newbies KNOW they're newbies, and so are more cautious.  If you have a mic and avoid calling anyone an **** the weak link can usually be managed.  Yell at them and you put them on the defensive, but say "if you hang out over there we can't back you up, fall back here and we can cover each other, the area you were watching AND that one to your side you keep getting shot from" or "that sniping point has good coverage but it also puts you in everyone's sights the moment you pop your head up, and we've got Rocket Snipers on the map" and most people listen.

[cerberus1701]

fabfreebird wrote...

Asebstos wrote...

Easiest solution, as I see it, would be to tie it to the Unwavering achievement.

100% agree!  Its not arbitrary and would solve the issue. 

It's just as meaningless as any other criteria, as I can certainly argue well that Gold MP is more difficult than SP Insanity, even though they are, strictly speaking, the same level enemies. Just because you've finished SP doesn't mean you're fit for Gold, much less Platinum.

[SMichelle]

FoggyFishburne wrote...

I'm down with that. I'm tired of all the dirty degenerates taking all my time for nothing. Morons that don't even use a single rocket to save the team. People who don't even use medigel when on wave 10. I know this is a **** community but wow. You morons astound me with your stupidity. So yeah, some kind of matchmaking system that only pairs people with a brain together to play Plat would be awesome. Never gonna happen though so I guess I'm stuck with idiots... Yay me.

Ah, but with such a charming personality, I'm sure you have a ton of friends to play with.  I can't believe you're often "stuck with idiots" and "dirty degenerates"       

[fabfreebird]

cerberus1701 wrote...

fabfreebird wrote...

Asebstos wrote...

Easiest solution, as I see it, would be to tie it to the Unwavering achievement.

100% agree!  Its not arbitrary and would solve the issue. 

It's just as meaningless as any other criteria, as I can certainly argue well that Gold MP is more difficult than SP Insanity, even though they are, strictly speaking, the same level enemies. Just because you've finished SP doesn't mean you're fit for Gold, much less Platinum.

I was referring to successfully extracting on every map on gold.