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[Bruceski]

cerberus1701 wrote...

fabfreebird wrote...

Asebstos wrote...

Easiest solution, as I see it, would be to tie it to the Unwavering achievement.

100% agree!  Its not arbitrary and would solve the issue. 

It's just as meaningless as any other criteria, as I can certainly argue well that Gold MP is more difficult than SP Insanity, even though they are, strictly speaking, the same level enemies. Just because you've finished SP doesn't mean you're fit for Gold, much less Platinum.

Oh man, I can't even play SP anymore.  The levels feel so empty since they only scale up the stats.  I assume there isn't a mod that increases # of enemies on higher SP difficulty?

[WilliamYZFR1]

FoggyFishburne wrote...

I'm down with that. I'm tired of all the dirty degenerates taking all my time for nothing. Morons that don't even use a single rocket to save the team. People who don't even use medigel when on wave 10. I know this is a **** community but wow. You morons astound me with your stupidity. So yeah, some kind of matchmaking system that only pairs people with a brain together to play Plat would be awesome. Never gonna happen though so I guess I'm stuck with idiots... Yay me.

Someone like you seems more suited to playing with himself. I hope to have the pleasure of kicking you one day.

[Gazz66666]

fabfreebird wrote...

Asebstos wrote...

Easiest solution, as I see it, would be to tie it to the Unwavering achievement.

100% agree!  Its not arbitrary and would solve the issue. 

Not until it suddenly becomes the requiement to play on Platinum maps. Then it becomes arbitrary. 

I've hammered my point out in enough posts already and since you're all still banging on about "Ah yes, but we should still make them scrubs submit to a skill test before we let them play"  I assume that none of you have been convinced. I really, really cannot be bothered arguing anymore. Not when there's still fifteen hours left to start the Project contribute some extractions to the Community goal. I'll leave you with this parting point;

This will never - ever - be implemented.

No matter how much you whine about it.

No matter how many unskilled players "ruin" your fun

No matter how long this thread gets.

BioWare will never implement it. And if by some miracle they do, it will be the final nail in the coffin for this game.

If your only concern in this Co-Op game is always winning with the best players, then you've got your solution. Make a Platinum-based group, use your friendlist, and play Private games. And if you really cannot stand playing with randoms because we're all rubbish in comparison to these Gods among us;

Don't play in public lobbies.

Modifié par Gazz66666, 29 juillet 2012 - 08:10 .

[SgtAmazing]

j_plemons wrote...

I can think of only one reason why people would be opposed to this idea...

It better be because everyone paid some form of money to own this game and have access to all of its features.  I paid $60 for it, I should be able to be N7 1 and play all the platinum matches I want.

[Schneidend]

j_plemons wrote...

Nissun wrote...

j_plemons wrote...

Schneidend wrote...

j_plemons wrote...

Diablo 3
World of Warcraft and other MM0s have "tiers" of PVP based on characters "level"

Do I need to list the other MMOs?

The games you mentioned implement that purely for balance purposes based on character level. A level 1 Barbarian couldn't survive a single swing from a Nightmare difficulty zombie. Similarly, a level 1 Mage in WoW will never defeat a level 85 Mage in PvP.

Meanwhile, a group of level 1 Soldiers with Avengers could potentially extract on Platinum.

No, they could not.

Is this a challenge? This sounds a lot like a challenge to me, guys.

Somebody should do this and post the video on youtube.

Prehaps they could.  I am sure you would happily group with them on the Platinum difficulty matches you play.  I would not.

Ah, the mark of a true elitist. When not even success is good enough!

[De1ta0m3ga]

SgtAmazing wrote...

j_plemons wrote...

I can think of only one reason why people would be opposed to this idea...

It better be because everyone paid some form of money to own this game and have access to all of its features.  I paid $60 for it, I should be able to be N7 1 and play all the platinum matches I want.

 

Pretty much what I said, 4 or 5 pages back:

De1ta0m3ga wrote...

OP, when you pay for my console, game, internet, and Xbox LIVE subscription, then you can tell me how to play the game, on what difficulty, on what class, with what weapon. But, since I've payed for those things, YOU can't tell me how to play MY GAME. 

/thread.

 

Modifié par De1ta0m3ga, 29 juillet 2012 - 08:09 .

[SgtAmazing]

FoggyFishburne wrote...

I'm down with that. I'm tired of all the dirty degenerates taking all my time for nothing. Morons that don't even use a single rocket to save the team. People who don't even use medigel when on wave 10. I know this is a **** community but wow. You morons astound me with your stupidity. So yeah, some kind of matchmaking system that only pairs people with a brain together to play Plat would be awesome. Never gonna happen though so I guess I'm stuck with idiots... Yay me.

Who is this person?

Modifié par SgtAmazing, 29 juillet 2012 - 08:13 .

[fabfreebird]

Gazz66666 wrote...

fabfreebird wrote...

Asebstos wrote...

Easiest solution, as I see it, would be to tie it to the Unwavering achievement.

100% agree!  Its not arbitrary and would solve the issue. 

Not until it suddenly becomes the requiement to play on Platinum maps. Then it becomes arbitrary. 

I really, really cannot be bothered arguing my point anymore. Not when there's still fifteen hours left to start the Project contribute some extractions to the Community goal. I'll leave you with this parting point;

This will never - ever - be implemented.

No matter how much you whine about it.

No matter how many unskilled players "ruin" your fun

No matter how long this thread gets.

BioWare will never implement it. 

If your only concern in this Co-Op game is always winning with the best players, then you've got your solution. Make a Platinum-based group, use your friendlist, and play Private games. And if you really cannot stand playing with randoms because we're all rubbish in comparison to these Gods among us;

Don't play in public lobbies.

Defensive much?  I'm probably one of the least snobby players here.  I just noticed that people who have no business playing Platinum are.  Countless games lock the most difficult option until players have at least beaten the game.  This is no different.  

So what if Bioware doesn't impliment it?  You act like every forum thread is created for the sole purpose of Bioware making a move on it.  Noticing a problem and bringing it up for discussion is what forums are for. 

[HiGamerCAT]

theillusiveman11 wrote...

HinDae wrote...

theillusiveman11 wrote...

Make it N7 ranking based. 6,000 minimum to play Platinum.

Why stop there? Make it 10,000 N7 Minimum, and the player must have Typhoon XI unlocked.

N7 10,000 minimum, must use a level XX weapon, level V consumables must be used, and level X gear is required.

and MUST fill out application form 24 hrs in advance, which is then evaluated and approved/not and copies filed on BSN, grade issued upon platinum round completion.

[cerberus1701]

fabfreebird wrote...

cerberus1701 wrote...

fabfreebird wrote...

Asebstos wrote...

Easiest solution, as I see it, would be to tie it to the Unwavering achievement.

100% agree!  Its not arbitrary and would solve the issue. 

It's just as meaningless as any other criteria, as I can certainly argue well that Gold MP is more difficult than SP Insanity, even though they are, strictly speaking, the same level enemies. Just because you've finished SP doesn't mean you're fit for Gold, much less Platinum.

I was referring to successfully extracting on every map on gold. 

I understand that.

If that were the only way to get that achievement, then it might be valid as a metric. But it's not.

Even if it were, it's still pretty meaningless. The point of the OP's rant is that he dislikes being put in with people that don't know what they are doing and aren't equipped to do it. Now I'm a decent player on Gold. I'll never solo it But, for the most part, depending on my class I know my role with the team and do well.

But a crap player:
 
* Either with 3 friends who are willing to carry him because they like him personally and like playing with him.
 
* Or by simple virtue of farming long enough (pretty much every map can be farmed) 

* Or hosting PUGs  on the maps you "need"

You can get the achievement.

It, like most other achievements is a measure of time played, not competance.

[j_plemons]

Asebstos wrote...

Easiest solution, as I see it, would be to tie it to the Unwavering achievement. That way it isn't tied to rank/gear/farming, but instead tied to being able to get to extraction on a wide variety of maps on Gold. Or beating the SP on Insanity, which is also decent.

This is prehaps the best idea I have seen so far.  I approve.

[fabfreebird]

You make good points. We don't have an indicator of competence for people who don't play with friends sans N7 rank, which most people feel is not a good indicator of it. Unwavering is the closest thing I can think of that does this without implementing crazy changes.

[rmccowen]

fabfreebird wrote...

I just noticed that people who have no business playing Platinum are.

Absolutely true. There are also people playing Gold who have no business there, and even Silver PUGs can be fairly hairy.

Countless games lock the most difficult option until players have at least beaten the game.  This is no different.

I've brought this up several times, now: how should you do it fairly? How do you do it in a way that isn't trivial (get carried through 5 games on the previous difficulty) or distorted (N7 of at least 500)?

How do you define or describe those two non-overlapping groups in a way that is fair and objective?

Because if you can't answer that, we're back to the reductio ad absurdum I originally posted: you want everyone in every lobby to be at least as good a player as you are, which is fine until we also extend that privilege to people who are more skilled than you.

EDIT: Unwavering doesn't count, because completing SP on Insanity is really nothing like any MP experience--but it's closest to Bronze.

Modifié par rmccowen, 29 juillet 2012 - 08:23 .

[j_plemons]

defleshing wrote...

i think they should make all the platinum players stick to bronze and the bronze players play platinum

Considering the last few matches I have ran (thanks to the ops weekend) the success rate at platinum would be higher.

[j_plemons]

SgtAmazing wrote...

j_plemons wrote...

I can think of only one reason why people would be opposed to this idea...

It better be because everyone paid some form of money to own this game and have access to all of its features.  I paid $60 for it, I should be able to be N7 1 and play all the platinum matches I want.

You should!  I have no doubt your experience would be highly enjoyable.

[fabfreebird]

rmccowen wrote...

fabfreebird wrote...

I just noticed that people who have no business playing Platinum are.

Absolutely true. There are also people playing Gold who have no business there, and even Silver PUGs can be fairly hairy.

Countless games lock the most difficult option until players have at least beaten the game.  This is no different.

I've brought this up several times, now: how should you do it fairly? How do you do it in a way that isn't trivial (get carried through 5 games on the previous difficulty) or distorted (N7 of at least 500)?

How do you define or describe those two non-overlapping groups in a way that is fair and objective?

Because if you can't answer that, we're back to the reductio ad absurdum I originally posted: you want everyone in every lobby to be at least as good a player as you are, which is fine until we also extend that privilege to people who are more skilled than you.

EDIT: Unwavering doesn't count, because completing SP on Insanity is really nothing like any MP experience--but it's closest to Bronze.

Fair enough, but at least you see the potential problem.  There's just no metric available to us that can EASILY fix this.  I'm not asking for massive changes, but there needs to be something. 

[fabfreebird]

Also, I DON'T want everyone to be at my "level". I'm certainly not the best in the world, but I know what I'm doing. A basic understanding of the game is not much to ask for.

[WARMACHINE9]

j_plemons wrote...

Asebstos wrote...

Easiest solution, as I see it, would be to tie it to the Unwavering achievement. That way it isn't tied to rank/gear/farming, but instead tied to being able to get to extraction on a wide variety of maps on Gold. Or beating the SP on Insanity, which is also decent.

This is prehaps the best idea I have seen so far.  I approve.

How about no. None of these ideas are good and any one who wants to prevent others in the COMMUNITY from playing a game they paid for how and when they want doesn't belong in a community. Get some friends and play private games if you want to be a cloaca. The rest of us will be over here having fun.

[Gazz66666]

fabfreebird wrote...

Defensive much?  I'm probably one of the least snobby players here.  I just noticed that people who have no business playing Platinum are.  Countless games lock the most difficult option until players have at least beaten the game.  This is no different.  

So what if Bioware doesn't impliment it?  You act like every forum thread is created for the sole purpose of Bioware making a move on it.  Noticing a problem and bringing it up for discussion is what forums are for. 

Only because this discussion is going around in circles. I've been arguing patiently for eight pages, watching the OP only really reply to people that agree with him, or out-of-context snippets of posts that he can argue against.

And to a degree, this is different. Because this isn't a problem. The way the game works is fair and doesn't need to be changed. Emphasis on "doesn't need to be changed."

I'm going to chime in with everyone whose said "You pay for my game, you can tell me how I can play it." At the end of the day, I paid my money for this game, and I don't recall when and where someone else gained the right to tell me what difficulty i'm allowed to play on.

Modifié par Gazz66666, 29 juillet 2012 - 08:31 .

[Asebstos]

WARMACHINE9 wrote...

j_plemons wrote...

Asebstos wrote...

Easiest solution, as I see it, would be to tie it to the Unwavering achievement. That way it isn't tied to rank/gear/farming, but instead tied to being able to get to extraction on a wide variety of maps on Gold. Or beating the SP on Insanity, which is also decent.

This is prehaps the best idea I have seen so far.  I approve.

How about no. None of these ideas are good and any one who wants to prevent others in the COMMUNITY from playing a game they paid for how and when they want doesn't belong in a community. Get some friends and play private games if you want to be a cloaca. The rest of us will be over here having fun.

You act as if Unwavering is particularly difficult to achieve. Get extraction on Gold on what... 6 or 8 maps? If someone has the ability to play Platinum competently then they can surely get Unwavering.

[GGW KillerTiger]

Gazz66666 wrote...

j_plemons wrote...

Why not?

Because this game is for everyone and like it or not, everyone is entitled to join whichever public lobby the game randomly puts them into. You want to kick them after that, fine, that's up to you. But it's not fair to impose a limit of which difficulty players are "allowed" to play on simply because they're new to the game. After all, you and I were both that person once.

Stop being such an elitist. It's bad form, chap.

-looks at Mass Effect 3 case- Rated M for Mature 17+ by the ESRB. That doesn't sounds like everyone to me ...... Even though mommies and daddies buy the game for kids that aren't old enough anyway s .....

[j_plemons]

Thank you to everyone who took the time to post your opinions here (even the trolls). I appreciate an open and honest discussion and have gained some insight into both the pros and cons of this idea. I am going to play the game we are all discussing now (wish me luck). I will check back later if there are any other questions, comments, concerns, or trollings that need redressed.

Have a wonderful day!

[cerberus1701]

fabfreebird wrote...

rmccowen wrote...

fabfreebird wrote...

I just noticed that people who have no business playing Platinum are.

Absolutely true. There are also people playing Gold who have no business there, and even Silver PUGs can be fairly hairy.

Countless games lock the most difficult option until players have at least beaten the game.  This is no different.

I've brought this up several times, now: how should you do it fairly? How do you do it in a way that isn't trivial (get carried through 5 games on the previous difficulty) or distorted (N7 of at least 500)?

How do you define or describe those two non-overlapping groups in a way that is fair and objective?

Because if you can't answer that, we're back to the reductio ad absurdum I originally posted: you want everyone in every lobby to be at least as good a player as you are, which is fine until we also extend that privilege to people who are more skilled than you.

EDIT: Unwavering doesn't count, because completing SP on Insanity is really nothing like any MP experience--but it's closest to Bronze.

Fair enough, but at least you see the potential problem.  There's just no metric available to us that can EASILY fix this.  I'm not asking for massive changes, but there needs to be something. 

But there really is nothing you can offer as a solution that can't either be played "around" or that limits another player's ability to play the way they want.

Even if a pay system was instituted it wouldn't solve the issue. It would cut down on it to some extent, but some fans of the game would pay for the full access on principle...or just pay to enjoy that their presence gives you grief and that you don't think they should be there.

The easiest solution is to look for competant friends and not rely on PUGs.

[GGW KillerTiger]

Asebstos wrote...

WARMACHINE9 wrote...

j_plemons wrote...

Asebstos wrote...

Easiest solution, as I see it, would be to tie it to the Unwavering achievement. That way it isn't tied to rank/gear/farming, but instead tied to being able to get to extraction on a wide variety of maps on Gold. Or beating the SP on Insanity, which is also decent.

This is prehaps the best idea I have seen so far.  I approve.

How about no. None of these ideas are good and any one who wants to prevent others in the COMMUNITY from playing a game they paid for how and when they want doesn't belong in a community. Get some friends and play private games if you want to be a cloaca. The rest of us will be over here having fun.

You act as if Unwavering is particularly difficult to achieve. Get extraction on Gold on what... 6 or 8 maps? If someone has the ability to play Platinum competently then they can surely get Unwavering.

Yea then the people that get carried in Gold get Unwaivering as well but actually don't have the skill for it ..... Yea great "blockade" for platinum .... Also I feel platinum is easier than gold

[WARMACHINE9]

Asebstos wrote...

WARMACHINE9 wrote...

j_plemons wrote...

Asebstos wrote...

Easiest solution, as I see it, would be to tie it to the Unwavering achievement. That way it isn't tied to rank/gear/farming, but instead tied to being able to get to extraction on a wide variety of maps on Gold. Or beating the SP on Insanity, which is also decent.

This is prehaps the best idea I have seen so far.  I approve.

How about no. None of these ideas are good and any one who wants to prevent others in the COMMUNITY from playing a game they paid for how and when they want doesn't belong in a community. Get some friends and play private games if you want to be a cloaca. The rest of us will be over here having fun.

You act as if Unwavering is particularly difficult to achieve. Get extraction on Gold on what... 6 or 8 maps? If someone has the ability to play Platinum competently then they can surely get Unwavering.

No we're not saying its hard to get(Though I still need to do my Ghost and glacier runs,plenty of giant and a few other runs though) we're saying GATING in a game is wrong. Period. You don't like the way people play? set up a private game with friends. Again, the rest of us will be having fun over here without you.