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[VioletEagle]

Phaeston is decent not the best Typhoon & Harrier are definitley better.

[Bivo]

It has everything for it except dps.

[Prince Bubblegeth]

The pistol that is my Eagle III makes your Phaeston assault rifle blush.

but yeah, seriously, it's nice below gold.

[soultaker65]

I'm the guy who love the low-tier weapons, but no the Phaeston is not the best assault rifle in the game even if you only play on silver it's still not the best.

Don't get me wrong I love the Phaeston but no.

[Slother93]

Lokiwithrope wrote...

Fires fast, plenty of ammo and reloads quickly and... easy to obtain. I like the Phaeston better than the Harrier even; I could eviscerate enemies with my Turian Soldier. Discuss my logic.

Ah yes. That claim has been dismissed. 

[EVILFLUFFMONSTER]

I used to pop all the headshot bonuses on, then use the turian marksman ability to turn the phaeston into a monster if you sprayed in general head height.

Now, the devastator mode is the new turian marksman, only I can turn it off to dodge and pop it back on again - and since I got a lovely Razor Onza ME3 controller for my 26th birthday today, I now have the collectors assault rifle - which I am surprisingly happy with.

[dsprado956]

The N7 Typhoon cuts enemies in half like a hot knife through butter.

[usctrojanbulldog]

I stopped usin this weapon once I got the Hornet I. Lol

[PEDmarine]

I used my phaeston IV last night with piercing and omni blade attachment on my turian sentinel on a whim for laughs and ended up having a good time with it. Albeit I was playing on silver, I still thought it was fun to use.

[Hexi-decimal]

Lokiwithrope wrote...

WeAreLegion- wrote...

Lokiwithrope wrote...

IPraetoriaNI wrote...

I discuss your logic - I bet you play silver, go play some gold, you'll see how much the Phaeston fails there.

I do play Silver because I don't wan't to spend my time fighting unfair enemies (Damn you Phantoms and Shield Gate) and sitting behind a piece of sheet metal.

fixed? and the enemies aren't unfair its just that you're not ready for gold.

I am completly capable of playing and beating Gold. But the higher you go, the tighter the limits are when it comes to choosing your guy and guns. Just like why people say Platinum is terrible because it limits to what you can use. The game is all about fun and my idea of fun isn't hanging around, using something and being someone I don't want to use.

Just about any character is gold viable, and even most weapons (phaeston included).  If all you can do is take cover, pop out and shoot occasionally, then you may not be ready yet.  Especially if you feel you have to play certain classes and set ups.  

Remember it's not about getting top score, it's simply about contributing.  I never if rarely get a high score with my Human Sent.  But I am the trigger guy for my teams BE primers, amongst other things.

Back on topic.  The Phaeston is good.  I think your logic and it's individual points are a personal matter, so no it's not the best AR for me, perhaps for you it is.

To everyone who thinks the phaeston is not gold worthy, I laugh at you.  I don't believe it's the best AR in the game either.  But it is certainly gold capable.

Modifié par Hexi-decimal, 29 juillet 2012 - 04:31 .

[ThelLastTruePatriot]

WeAreLegion- wrote...

Lokiwithrope wrote...

IPraetoriaNI wrote...

I discuss your logic - I bet you play silver, go play some gold, you'll see how much the Phaeston fails there.

I do play Silver because I don't wan't to spend my time fighting unfair enemies (Damn you Phantoms and Shield Gate) and sitting behind a piece of sheet metal.

fixed? and the enemies aren't unfair its just that you're not ready for gold.

 It was admitted that the geth do in fact "cheat" a lot.

[Strict31]

 The Phaeston is a great weapon on Silver and Bronze. It is best in the hands of a Turian Soldier with Marksman, because then you can do with it exactly what the Marauders do with it.

But on Gold, things change.

Sustained Fire weapons acquire a greater disadvantage than Burst DPS weapons. You have to consistently and accurately pour fire into the target in ordere to see the benefit of the weapon's damage output. The problem is that on Gold, enemy AI does not miss. And it starts hitting you accurately from the moment you peek out of cover until the moment you decide you're tired of being hit.

This means the safest way to fire a full-auto weapon in Gold is burst fire. Pop up, burst, pop back down. Rinse, repeat. The Phaeston has a very low DPS compared to more powerful full autos like the Harrier. So, with the Phaeston, it takes longer to kill something will you are out of cover. And this means you are exposed to a greater amount of enemy fire for a greater amount of time.

Gold punishes Sustained-Fire  weapons more than Silver. So, what works perfectly fine on a lower difficulty suddenly becomes a liability on higher difficulties. So, for a full auto weapon to be truly great, it must output a relatively high DPS, to counterbalance the disadvantages of being out of cover. A few FA weapons do this, like the Harrier I mentioned above. 

With the Harrier (which is hampered by it's small ammo spare capacity), you spend less shots and thus, less time to achieve a sufficient amount of damage. Since this holds true on lower difficulties, where enemies have lower health, the harrier still remains a better choice. Even though it's harder to acquire and harder to upgrade than the Phaeston.

So, from a logical standpoint, even on Silver or Bronze, the Harrier is a better weapon than the Phaeston. And it's certainly better on Gold or Platinum where low DPS is a flaw that gets you dead.

[Schneidend]

It's passable, but no weapon requiring a Piercing Mod or Armor-Piercing Ammo to kill a Brute/Ravager can possibly be the "best" anything.

I loved the Phaeston in single player, but it doesn't translate well here.

[LegionofRannoch]

Lokiwithrope wrote...

Fires fast, plenty of ammo and reloads quickly and... easy to obtain. I like the Phaeston better than the Harrier even; I could eviscerate enemies with my Turian Soldier. Discuss my logic.

wouldnt say its the absolute best but its ranked second on the list of my favorite assault rifles right behind the harrier and the typhoon is right behind it. typhoon is too slow for me to assassinate with.
phaeston is definately a really good underrated assault rifle

[xX 7heGuy Xx]

Hexi-decimal wrote...

Lokiwithrope wrote...

WeAreLegion- wrote...

Lokiwithrope wrote...

IPraetoriaNI wrote...

I discuss your logic - I bet you play silver, go play some gold, you'll see how much the Phaeston fails there.

I do play Silver because I don't wan't to spend my time fighting unfair enemies (Damn you Phantoms and Shield Gate) and sitting behind a piece of sheet metal.

fixed? and the enemies aren't unfair its just that you're not ready for gold.

I am completly capable of playing and beating Gold. But the higher you go, the tighter the limits are when it comes to choosing your guy and guns. Just like why people say Platinum is terrible because it limits to what you can use. The game is all about fun and my idea of fun isn't hanging around, using something and being someone I don't want to use.

Just about any character is gold viable, and even most weapons (phaeston included).  If all you can do is take cover, pop out and shoot occasionally, then you may not be ready yet.  Especially if you feel you have to play certain classes and set ups.  

Remember it's not about getting top score, it's simply about contributing.  I never if rarely get a high score with my Human Sent.  But I am the trigger guy for my teams BE primers, amongst other things.

Back on topic.  The Phaeston is good.  I think your logic and it's individual points are a personal matter, so no it's not the best AR for me, perhaps for you it is.

To everyone who thinks the phaeston is not gold worth, I laugh at you.

This person is 100% right.

[Ronnie Blastoff]

A level 6 predator is better than a level 10 phaeston. As long as you can endure the trigger mashfest.

[Darkshadowmark]

Phaeston is fantastic on the Destroyer-wait, so is everything else.

I like the phaeston. Beats out the avenger in terms of...well everything since I hate the avenger with the burning passion of a flaming shadow sword. I like the 500 shots in total without ammo boost, I enjoy the firing rate, keeps enemies focused on you instead of others and its Turian made. Automatically awesome.

[rmccowen]

Ronnie Blastoff wrote...

A level 6 predator is better than a level 10 phaeston. As long as you can endure the trigger mashfest.

In order for a Predator X to match the DPS of a Phaeston X, you have to pull the trigger over 7 times per second. (For a Predator VI, it's 7.8Hz). That's just not possible without a macro or a modded controller--and even if you could, you'd start to run into the fact that the Predator has literally almost 30 times the Phaeston's recoil.

[jae112200]

Yeah it's great on the destroyer, and I play mostly silver. Although the few gold games i've played, i've done so with the mqe, and with the phaeston, and I never have any problems mowing down enemies, I use the AP and EB. Sorry if it's not "gold viable" for you, then maybe you're using it wrong.

[DarklighterFreak]

bro i smiled at this one) good troll sir, good troll, Javik approves xDD

[Leisure Muffin]

it's a peashooter on platinum

[Ronnie Blastoff]

rmccowen wrote...

Ronnie Blastoff wrote...

A level 6 predator is better than a level 10 phaeston. As long as you can endure the trigger mashfest.

In order for a Predator X to match the DPS of a Phaeston X, you have to pull the trigger over 7 times per second. (For a Predator VI, it's 7.8Hz). That's just not possible without a macro or a modded controller--and even if you could, you'd start to run into the fact that the Predator has literally almost 30 times the Phaeston's recoil.

Predator has no recoil? And I'm hitting 6 times per second just fine, thats with 1 finger. Im not a turbo finger geek either. A friend of mine can pluck his bass guitar 17 times per second with 2 fingers. He don't play games but the point is, its possible, where do you even get this information you need a modded controller to do this from?

[De1ta0m3ga]

It's fine for power-casters on bronze/silver.

[Cellar_Cat]

Hexi-decimal wrote...

To everyone who thinks the phaeston is not gold worthy, I laugh at you.  I don't believe it's the best AR in the game either.  But it is certainly gold capable.

I don't consider it to be worthy just because it could do it. Yes, I could use it, and it would kill things. Eventually. But there's really no reason to choose it except not having anything better, or you just happen to like phaestons. I don't need it to be the best rifle ever - just something I could choose without having to work around it instead of with it.

It's actually quite sad to me because I liked using it early on when it did enough damage for the difficulty I was in. Having to ignore a lot of weapons in order not to perform below my potential is annoying, and I really deeply hate that kind of 'balance' system. Sadly silver and bronze are too easy even with early guns, and gold will be a waste of time with them until I don't need credits for unlocks anymore and can just cruise through the match without caring if it takes longer.

[starwolf1001]

it's nice even on gold