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[born2beagator]

Lokiwithrope wrote...

Fires fast, plenty of ammo and reloads quickly and... easy to obtain. I like the Phaeston better than the Harrier even; I could eviscerate enemies with my Turian Soldier. Discuss my logic.

:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

[Yuanrang]

You have obviously not tried the Harrier or the Typhoon.

[Jammer]

I'd love to have a Typhoon, from the sound of things. But right now, my Phaeton X is the best weapon period for my playstyle. The Revenant might be possible but I need more upgrades for it to become viable. And I play gold semi regularly with the Destroyer and TSe.

[WMcAlister]

I like the Phaeston actually. It is a good gun. But that's partly because it is light: I always used it on semi/wholly power dependent classes like Justicars and Engineers (yes, on Gold) and it did fine. But on weapon dependent classes like a soldier, I need more stopping power, since weight is no longer an issue.

So would I say it's the best assault rifle?  Not really.  Despite rarity, teh Harrier has good damage, good accuracy, low recoil, and moderate weight.  It's the best IMO.  Typhoon hits hard, but weighs too much to be used universally.

Modifié par WMcAlister, 29 juillet 2012 - 05:21 .

[xtorma]

Lokiwithrope wrote...

Fires fast, plenty of ammo and reloads quickly and... easy to obtain. I like the Phaeston better than the Harrier even; I could eviscerate enemies with my Turian Soldier. Discuss my logic.

you stated you use it because you like it. Thats pretty much ends the discussion. I don't like spinach , my wife does, we can "discuss" it all day but I'm not putting the crap in my mouth.

[TMB903]

IMO it's pretty good but not the best...I like to use it on the TSol with MM specced for accuracy

[GroverA125]

Agreed on all subjects of weapon traits, but it's crippled by one major disadvantage: Damage.

Against standard targets, it's not a pretty sight, with it's low power per shot, it is very weak against armor, and lacks the power against infantry units to make up for this.

Fully levelled and modded to hell, it may perhaps be as useful as an unmodified harrier, but it's nowhere near the best AR out there.

[RoZh2400]

Buddy, EVERY gun is the "best" gun on Silver. If you play Gold, which general consensus seems to say you are not close to ready for, then you will see the Phaeston become the equivalent of a watergun.

[Ean_Txelan]

"Weapons do not win wars but the men who wield them does!"

[mrcanada]

Lokiwithrope wrote...

WeAreLegion- wrote...

Lokiwithrope wrote...

IPraetoriaNI wrote...

I discuss your logic - I bet you play silver, go play some gold, you'll see how much the Phaeston fails there.

I do play Silver because I don't wan't to spend my time fighting unfair enemies (Damn you Phantoms and Shield Gate) and sitting behind a piece of sheet metal.

fixed? and the enemies aren't unfair its just that you're not ready for gold.

I am completly capable of playing and beating Gold. But the higher you go, the tighter the limits are when it comes to choosing your guy and guns. Just like why people say Platinum is terrible because it limits to what you can use. The game is all about fun and my idea of fun isn't hanging around, using something and being someone I don't want to use.

If you were actually good you'd realize you can play gold just ike silver and not have to camp to win.  And lolPhaeston. It's cool you like it, but it isn't top 5 in the class.

[CitizenThom]

The Phaeston is a great full automatic AR for casters... with the recent buff, it's now a better gun than the Avenger, but imo, not as good as the Revenant or the Harrier, which I use on my more gun-centric classes.

[N Malboeuf]

Lokiwithrope wrote...

Fires fast, plenty of ammo and reloads quickly and... easy to obtain. I like the Phaeston better than the Harrier even; I could eviscerate enemies with my Turian Soldier. Discuss my logic.

I loved it, but harrier drops baddies faster

same brain stem feed back with both ARs, lots of noise, bullets and dropping boddies

[Ulrich282]

TYPHOOOOOON

[slescens]

rmccowen wrote...

Ronnie Blastoff wrote...

A level 6 predator is better than a level 10 phaeston. As long as you can endure the trigger mashfest.

In order for a Predator X to match the DPS of a Phaeston X, you have to pull the trigger over 7 times per second. (For a Predator VI, it's 7.8Hz). That's just not possible without a macro or a modded controller--and even if you could, you'd start to run into the fact that the Predator has literally almost 30 times the Phaeston's recoil.

Not too hard for those of us who have been playing paintball for a good portion of our life.  7 per second is achievable.  Every time I take the mattock, people think I have a harrier after watching me shoot with it.  Fast fingers means the mattock is my favorite AR by far.

[Techo Angel]

I use and Kills PLENTY of stuff with my Phaeston on Gold using my Turian Sentinel. AP mod and EB and it its great for slaying Cerberus.

[Jay_Hoxtatron]

Lokiwithrope wrote...

Fires fast, plenty of ammo and reloads quickly and... easy to obtain. I like the Phaeston better than the Harrier even; I could eviscerate enemies with my Turian Soldier. Discuss my logic.

No. It's meh.

Modifié par Jay_Hoxtatron, 29 juillet 2012 - 05:51 .

[rmccowen]

Ronnie Blastoff wrote...

rmccowen wrote...

Ronnie Blastoff wrote...

A level 6 predator is better than a level 10 phaeston. As long as you can endure the trigger mashfest.

In order for a Predator X to match the DPS of a Phaeston X, you have to pull the trigger over 7 times per second. (For a Predator VI, it's 7.8Hz). That's just not possible without a macro or a modded controller--and even if you could, you'd start to run into the fact that the Predator has literally almost 30 times the Phaeston's recoil.

Predator has no recoil? And I'm hitting 6 times per second just fine, thats with 1 finger. Im not a turbo finger geek either. A friend of mine can pluck his bass guitar 17 times per second with 2 fingers. He don't play games but the point is, its possible, where do you even get this information you need a modded controller to do this from?

Okay, substitute "just not possible" for "very unlikely".

A friend (academic advisor, actually) used to work in cognitive psychology, and we've had lots of interesting conversations about video games and reaction times. The typical human reaction time is about 200ms seconds, or 5 Hz; most people can't press a button meaningfully any faster than that. Really exceptional people--experienced martial artists, Olympic athletes, etc.--often have reaction times down near 100ms, but almost never faster than that.

So maybe the task isn't to react to a stimulus, but just to press the trigger as fast as possible. I admit that I don't know what the actual muscle-firing time is to push a button, but the time to blink the human eye ranges from 150ms to 300ms, and it can't be much faster than that.

I'm sure exceptional individuals like your friend exist, so I retract the "just not possible". But I don't think very many people are physically capable of hitting the 8.3Hz rate you'd need to get maximum DPS out of the Predator. And that's ignoring the issue of muscle fatigue--if you can click at 8Hz or more, how long can you do it before your finger is just too tired to function at peak effectiveness?

[Jay_Hoxtatron]

rmccowen wrote...

Ronnie Blastoff wrote...

rmccowen wrote...

Ronnie Blastoff wrote...

A level 6 predator is better than a level 10 phaeston. As long as you can endure the trigger mashfest.

In order for a Predator X to match the DPS of a Phaeston X, you have to pull the trigger over 7 times per second. (For a Predator VI, it's 7.8Hz). That's just not possible without a macro or a modded controller--and even if you could, you'd start to run into the fact that the Predator has literally almost 30 times the Phaeston's recoil.

Predator has no recoil? And I'm hitting 6 times per second just fine, thats with 1 finger. Im not a turbo finger geek either. A friend of mine can pluck his bass guitar 17 times per second with 2 fingers. He don't play games but the point is, its possible, where do you even get this information you need a modded controller to do this from?

I'm sure exceptional individuals like your friend exist, so I retract the "just not possible". But I don't think very many people are physically capable of hitting the 8.3Hz rate you'd need to get maximum DPS out of the Predator. And that's ignoring the issue of muscle fatigue--if you can click at 8Hz or more, how long can you do it before your finger is just too tired to function at peak effectiveness?

That's the real problem with semi-autos. Anyone can click 7 or 8 times/second, but for how long? I'm pretty sure that those who use the Mattock without macros/modded controllers don't like using it for extended periods.

[IsilZhaSB]

The Phaeston's a good, well-rounded, fairly light, versatile AR that I find to be pretty good, but is definitely not the best AR.

I mostly run the Phaeston on my Human Engineer.

[ShortestTallGuy]

Lokiwithrope wrote...

WeAreLegion- wrote...

Lokiwithrope wrote...

IPraetoriaNI wrote...

I discuss your logic - I bet you play silver, go play some gold, you'll see how much the Phaeston fails there.

I do play Silver because I don't wan't to spend my time fighting unfair enemies (Damn you Phantoms and Shield Gate) and sitting behind a piece of sheet metal.

fixed? and the enemies aren't unfair its just that you're not ready for gold.

I am completly capable of playing and beating Gold. But the higher you go, the tighter the limits are when it comes to choosing your guy and guns. Just like why people say Platinum is terrible because it limits to what you can use. The game is all about fun and my idea of fun isn't hanging around, using something and being someone I don't want to use.

I agree with this, I usually play gold or silver, purely because I can be any guy I want and still do well and have fun. I don't want to be an asari adept warp bombing everything from behind a desk, or a salarian infiltrator sniping everything, there's no fun in it.

Modifié par Blackpanfa, 29 juillet 2012 - 06:12 .

[Geimhreadh]

Meh, I'll stick to my Vindicator for power users.

[AscendantWyvern]

Phaeston is the perfect all rounder assault rifle. If you want better stats, you'll sacrifice weight and therefore either power time or a secondary weapon which can be unhealthy for both on some classes.

[Dormiglione]

The Phaeston is my weapon of choice in bronze or silver. You dont need the Harrier or the Typhon below gold. Phaeston is light-weight weapon, so you have very low cooling times. 

My choice of weapon and gears always depends on which difficulty im going to play. Sure, you can use a Harrier X in bronze or an Avenger LV 1 in platinum, but i dont think that it would make sense.  

Modifié par Dormiglione, 29 juillet 2012 - 06:28 .

[vonSlash]

Considering the recent buffs, the Phaeston is certainly Gold-viable. However, it's erroneous to claim that it's the best assault rifle, or even the best automatic assault rifle, because of what it has to compete with. The Revenant delivers far more DPS at close range and mid-range than the Phaeston without being dramatically heavier or harder to acquire. The Harrier might not have the ammo reserves of the Phaeston, but is more accurate and dishes out far more DPS at every range that the Phaeston can operate in. The Typhoon is far heavier than the Phaeston, but has a similar ammo capacity and (again) far more damage output.

So it'd be more accurate to say that each of the automatic assault rifles discussed above has it's own niche - the Typhoon optimizes damage output for classes that can spare the weight, the Harrier gives Typhoon-like performance for classes that still need decent cooldowns at the cost of ammo capacity, the Revenant delivers a nice combination of solid firepower and reasonable 'weight at the cost of accuracy, and the Phaeston gives the player good range, excellent ammo capacity, and light weight at the cost of some damage output. All of them are good weapons in their own way, but the Phaeston's strengths make it most useful on characters that get decent damage output from their powers to compensate the Phaeston's lack of damage in comparison to other notable automatic assault rifles. For a player relying on weapons alone, the Phaeston is the worst choice out of the four discussed above on most classes.

[holdenagincourt]

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