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[spirosz]

Love when people call ME1 perfect, yet it has flaws that they keep trying to ignore and hate on ME2 and 3.

[chemiclord]

The OP does have a roundabout point.

If people were as hellbent to eviscerate ME1 with the same self-righteous fervor as they do ME3, they'd discover that ME1 actually... *gasp*... wasn't all that great of a story either.

[spirosz]

chemiclord wrote...

The OP does have a roundabout point.

If people were as hellbent to eviscerate ME1 with the same self-righteous fervor as they do ME3, they'd discover that ME1 actually... *gasp*... wasn't all that great of a story either.

Yep. 

[Han Shot First]

spiros9110 wrote...

The main problem is, Bioware likes to take out certain aspects instead of improving on it - that again, depends on the circumstance and if it's worth keeping - I believe they should of kept the inventory system, but improve upon it, instead of making it a cluster**** like in ME1. The Mako - the vehicle itself was fine, the planets it road upon were horrible, unless it was Virmire or Noveria, mission planets. What'd they do, take it out. I would argue the statistical elements for RPG sake, but I don't really care about those, since I don't think they define RPG's.

Both of those were taken out as fan service.

Fans bashed both ME1's inventory system and the Mako mercilessly. Of course whether not Bioware taking those featuires out entirely is an improvement depends on your perspective, but if you think either was a loss the fans have to at least share equal blame for not knowing how to constructively criticize.

For me the results were mixed. I can do without ME1's clunky inventory system, which I found both tedious and time consuming. I found ME2's system to be a much better, with my only complaint being that there wasn't enough variety or customization. ME3 improved on that however, and I think that is the model they should use going forward.

The Mako's demise on the other hand, I mourned. It was a great concept that just wasn't executed as well as it should have been. But because it was a good concept it should have just been reworked for ME2, rather than scrapped all together. The Mako just needed better terrain, some tweaks to controls, and better integration into story missions and it would have been awesome. Unfortunately the legion of 'OMG teh Mako suxxx' threads all but guaranteed that it would be scrapped entirely.

[CroGamer002]

Wrong OP.

ME1 is a bad game... on it's own.

[Taboo]

All of the games have flaws.

There's a huge plot hole in ME2 that involves the crew getting kidnapped.

The reason ME3 has been savaged like it has is because the ending was executed, so, so poorly. And for the most part it still is in some ways. The Shepard lives scene still isn't enough for some people.

When people are happy they shut up. That's a fact.

[ghostz82]

Mass effect 1 was my favorite out of the 3 because it was more of a action rpg then 2 and 3 and had way more depth. When I say depth I'm talking about the fact that you had access to more weapons and armor selection and more weapon customization. The game was way bigger all around it had more of everything including missions and so on i miss the hammerhead vehicle and all the exploring while you did missions on the planets they were real big.How about the fact that you had more control of the squadmates too you could not only choose their weapons but armor too it was fun being able to choose their armor. I loved the huge selection of weapon mods, weapons, and armor selection for both you and your squadmates and the way that each company like serrice coucil, hahne kedar, and more had a lincenses and to access and buy from these company's you needed that lincense. It made buying weapons, mods , and armor more fun and rewarding since you had to aquire them. To be honest the modules on multiplayer in mass effect 3 remind me of the mass effect 1 weapon modules. I also miss all the ammo other ammo powers you had like explosive, shredder, and acid rounds to name some. If they took mass effect 1 and added the more modern gameplay from 2 and 3 and add some of the other pluses of 2 and 3 like loyalty missions and multiplayer just to name some they would have the ultimate mass effect game.

Modifié par ghostz82, 29 juillet 2012 - 10:16 .

[MassStorm]

Mesina2 wrote...

Wrong OP.

ME1 is a bad game... on it's own in my opinion.

Fixed for you...you know is not a fact.

[Han Shot First]

Taboo-XX wrote...

When people are happy they shut up. That's a fact.

This is true.

Consider that many of the people who rail against ME3's supposedly immersion-breaking autodialogue, are fans of the Witcher 2. Geralt probably has twice as much autodialogue as Shepard.

The difference?

The Witcher 2's ending didn't anger anyone, and as such it didn't prompt them to then examine the rest of the game with a magnifying glass and nitpick every flaw, both real and imagined.

chemiclord wrote...
The OP does have a roundabout point.
If people were as hellbent to eviscerate ME1 with the same self-righteous fervor as they do ME3, they'd discover that ME1 actually... *gasp*... wasn't all that great of a story either.

This.

Modifié par Han Shot First, 29 juillet 2012 - 10:10 .

[D24O]

Cthulhu42 wrote...

spiros9110 wrote...

chemiclord wrote...

The OP does have a roundabout point.

If people were as hellbent to eviscerate ME1 with the same self-righteous fervor as they do ME3, they'd discover that ME1 actually... *gasp*... wasn't all that great of a story either.

Yep. 

Indeed.

Quite.

[Taboo]

D24O wrote...

Cthulhu42 wrote...

spiros9110 wrote...

chemiclord wrote...

The OP does have a roundabout point.

If people were as hellbent to eviscerate ME1 with the same self-righteous fervor as they do ME3, they'd discover that ME1 actually... *gasp*... wasn't all that great of a story either.

Yep. 

Indeed.

Quite.

Most agreeable.

[Arcadian Legend]

D24O wrote...

Cthulhu42 wrote...

spiros9110 wrote...

chemiclord wrote...

The OP does have a roundabout point.

If people were as hellbent to eviscerate ME1 with the same self-righteous fervor as they do ME3, they'd discover that ME1 actually... *gasp*... wasn't all that great of a story either.

Yep. 

Indeed.

Quite.

Indubitably. And the game really starts feeling like a chore after playing through it enough times, compared to ME2 and 3, especially 2, which manage to stay fresh.

Modifié par Arcadian Legend, 29 juillet 2012 - 10:12 .

[jstme]

Nah. ME1 had its problems and its bugs - but that unit had a soul. ME3 in 2/3 of a game feels hollow. And it has its own problems and bugs. Love the Liara va Liara vs empty spot vs Shepard dialogue.

[tonnactus]

Han Shot First wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

When people are happy they shut up. That's a fact.

This is true.

Consider that many of the people who rail against ME3's supposedly immersion-breaking autodialogue, are fans of the Witcher 2. Geralt probably has twice as much autodialogue as Shepard.

The difference?

Geralt was always a predefined character based on some books. And yet still the choices in this game have more consequences then all Mass Effect games together. Even a completly different chapter.

[ghostz82]

People talk so much about the story of the games which is important but how about how much fun the games are I mean doesn't that matter too. Some games don't always have what everyone wants and let's say you don't like the story but yet you keep playing the game either way doesn't the fact that the game is real fun mean anything and can't that sometimes that be enough for it to be a great game.

[KotorEffect3]

Cthulhu42 wrote...

Han Shot First wrote...

Consider that many of the people who rail against ME3's supposedly immersion-breaking autodialogue, are fans of the Witcher 2. Geralt probably has twice as much autodialogue as Shepard.

Well, the difference is that Geralt is a character with a predefined personality.

Double standard exists on the bsn. 

[BaladasDemnevanni]

Arcadian Legend wrote...

D24O wrote...

Cthulhu42 wrote...

spiros9110 wrote...

chemiclord wrote...

The OP does have a roundabout point.

If people were as hellbent to eviscerate ME1 with the same self-righteous fervor as they do ME3, they'd discover that ME1 actually... *gasp*... wasn't all that great of a story either.

Yep.

Indeed.

Quite.

Indubitably.

Agreed.

Modifié par BaladasDemnevanni, 29 juillet 2012 - 10:27 .

[tonnactus]

Cthulhu42 wrote...

Han Shot First wrote...

Consider that many of the people who rail against ME3's supposedly immersion-breaking autodialogue, are fans of the Witcher 2. Geralt probably has twice as much autodialogue as Shepard.

Well, the difference is that Geralt is a character with a predefined personality.

And always was. There wasnt a sudden change.

[BrookerT]

BaladasDemnevanni wrote...

Arcadian Legend wrote...

D24O wrote...

Cthulhu42 wrote...

spiros9110 wrote...

chemiclord wrote...

The OP does have a roundabout point.

If people were as hellbent to eviscerate ME1 with the same self-righteous fervor as they do ME3, they'd discover that ME1 actually... *gasp*... wasn't all that great of a story either.

Yep.

Indeed.

Quite.

Indubitably.

Agreed.

Affirmattive

Modifié par BrookerT, 29 juillet 2012 - 10:29 .

[fr33stylez]

The Mad Hanar wrote...

Point is, any game can seem bad with the right amount of nit picking.

In conclusion, every single game in the history of games is equal, because all games are bad if you nitpick enough.

I win!

[LinksOcarina]

KotorEffect3 wrote...

Cthulhu42 wrote...

Han Shot First wrote...

Consider that many of the people who rail against ME3's supposedly immersion-breaking autodialogue, are fans of the Witcher 2. Geralt probably has twice as much autodialogue as Shepard.

Well, the difference is that Geralt is a character with a predefined personality.

Double standard exists on the bsn. 

Not exactly...the problem is Shepard was touted as a custom made character, when Shepard was always a hybrid, pre-made character that we just control and make decisions for. He is basically a mix of Link, from the Legend of Zelda, and the Warden from Dragon Age: Origins in that regard; we control them and make decisions for them, but the story has a start and end-point, and certain aspects of it can't be changed.

So Shepard is more like Geralt than anyone else, people just seem to enjoy Geralt more, even though I think hes a poorly written character personally. 

[silentassassin264]

ghostz82 wrote...

People talk so much about the story of the games which is important but how about how much fun the games are I mean doesn't that matter too. Some games don't always have what everyone wants and let's say you don't like the story but yet you keep playing the game either way doesn't the fact that the game is real fun mean anything and can't that sometimes that be enough for it to be a great game.

Well story indeed is not the end all be all because I like Skyrim for example.  I have not even gone past the first quest the Greybeards give you and have largely ignored the main story.  I have had fun running around getting cool looking gear, doing faction quests, etc. etc.  But the difference is I knew ahead of time that that is what I was getting and doing with Skyrim.  I did not get ME3 to run around having fun, robbing city guards, and all that free world sandbox stuff.  I got ME3 to finish this story.  I got drawn into this world and I wanted to see how the story ends.  If the story was lackluster then the things it did well get overshadowed.  Had ME3 been a stand alone game, I don't think anyone would be bothered by story since the other things the game does, it does very well.  Unfortunately, it was the last game of a trilogy, not a standalone title.

[CSI_Spectre]

ME1 was flawed in gameplay but made up for it with story. The inventory was a mess, the poor use of auto-save, BUT it was something new at the time. Most of us that played the game for the first time were awestruck by the graphics, the different races, the story, and the choice in dialogue.

ME1 had a weaker gameplay but incredible story where you decide what you want to say. Even if some choices say the same thing, I like the fact that I feel in CONTROL of my Shepard's behavior

ME3 had strong gameplay but poor writing where your Shepard has lots of autodialogue. It feels like Shepard's behavoir for most parts you can't control.

Bottom line for me, Great Story > Great Gameplay

That's why I consider ME1 and ME2 clearly the best in the series