jreezy wrote...
Bakara is best Krogan.legion999 wrote...
The Mad Hanar wrote...
And nobody else.
The Krogan have the happiest Krogan, the most polite Krogan, Charr and that depressed Krogan on Mordin's loyalty mission.
Yes but they have Wreav. And no love for Bakara? Sexist.
Guest_The Mad Hanar_*
legion999 wrote...
The Mad Hanar wrote...
legion999 wrote...
They also have Wreav.
And the Geth have Legion.
And nobody else.
The Krogan have the happiest Krogan, the most polite Krogan, Charr and that depressed Krogan on Mordin's loyalty mission.
Yes but they have Wreav. And no love for Bakara? Sexist.
KotorEffect3 wrote...
legion999 wrote...
The Mad Hanar wrote...
And nobody else.
The Krogan have the happiest Krogan, the most polite Krogan, Charr and that depressed Krogan on Mordin's loyalty mission.
Yes but they have Wreav. And no love for Bakara? Sexist.
Which just shows that the Krogan have more diversity and wider range of personalities.
Guest_Catch This Fade_*
Grunt>Wrexlegion999 wrote...
jreezy wrote...
Bakara is best Krogan.legion999 wrote...
The Mad Hanar wrote...
And nobody else.
The Krogan have the happiest Krogan, the most polite Krogan, Charr and that depressed Krogan on Mordin's loyalty mission.
Yes but they have Wreav. And no love for Bakara? Sexist.
Along with Wrex and Grunt yes.
The Mad Hanar wrote...
legion999 wrote...
Yes but they have Wreav. And no love for Bakara? Sexist.
She's so mean to me. >
Nah, just kidding. I literally forgot about her and I feel foolish for doing so.
Guest_The Mad Hanar_*
silentassassin264 wrote...
Not really. It definitely could have been better done but I acknowledge the fact that ME1 was also the first game in an IP made from, at the time, a not terribly big developer. They at least bothered to change up the placement of items in the nearly identical bases so it was literally the exact same place over and over again like DA2. The worlds themselves would have been better off with the more concise design of ME2 since for the most part, the UNC worlds were pretty empty and big. But overall, I liked the pacing of the story much better than the other two and that is what gets the most points for me in an RPG.The Mad Hanar wrote...
silentassassin264 wrote...
I just finished replaying ME1 and besides the lulzy graphics, when compared to the rest of the series, it still is the best in the series.
Did the exploration/side missions frustrate you? I find that's what annoys me the most about the game. I mean sure, it's nice to have but it's so tedious and repetitive.
Mass Effect 2 was all over the place with a whole lot of emphasis put on the loyalty missions and recruitments. Such character driven style versus story driven style would have been okay except it really didn't work. The characters ended up too shallow and with not enough interaction because there were too many. I played femshep and I wanted to get to know Jack better. Her character interaction and development is strictly tied to romancing her and she is straight. There was no way for me to really interact with Jack so she just seemed like a boring angry ball of hate no matter what I did. With Miranda it was more or less the same. I get her whining about genetic tailoring (which you would think was something bad) and then she just goes back to being cold and filing mission reports. I never had any reason to actually like those characters because they had little to no development.
In ME3, the story was just plain bad. We are in the middle of a galactic invasion and war and the invaders aren't even the main enemies of the game. Cerberus is shoehorned into being the big bad against all common sense. We could have had more diversity in Reaper troops, using more races and instead we got stupidity like Cerberus trying to use a bomb on Tuchanka. What does Cerberus have to gain from hurting the Krogan? (Answer: absolutely nothing. If TIM's plan works nobody would be a threat to him). Basically despite the improvements in combat and mission setup (I did really like having N7 missions that actually fit into the main story) the story was just too immersion breaking to be enjoyable.
jreezy wrote...
Grunt>Wrexlegion999 wrote...
Along with Wrex and Grunt yes.
legion999 wrote...
KotorEffect3 wrote...
legion999 wrote...
The Mad Hanar wrote...
And nobody else.
The Krogan have the happiest Krogan, the most polite Krogan, Charr and that depressed Krogan on Mordin's loyalty mission.
Yes but they have Wreav. And no love for Bakara? Sexist.
Which just shows that the Krogan have more diversity and wider range of personalities.
Ok. But considering how we only talk to one Geth a lot the same could be said for the Geth.
jreezy wrote...
Grunt>Wrexlegion999 wrote...
jreezy wrote...
Bakara is best Krogan.legion999 wrote...
The Mad Hanar wrote...
And nobody else.
The Krogan have the happiest Krogan, the most polite Krogan, Charr and that depressed Krogan on Mordin's loyalty mission.
Yes but they have Wreav. And no love for Bakara? Sexist.
Along with Wrex and Grunt yes.
Guest_The Mad Hanar_*
legion999 wrote...
The Mad Hanar wrote...
legion999 wrote...
Yes but they have Wreav. And no love for Bakara? Sexist.
She's so mean to me. >
Nah, just kidding. I literally forgot about her and I feel foolish for doing so.
Well unlike others she's only in one game so there's no need to feel foolish.
PS: Your thread has went off-topic.
KotorEffect3 wrote...
Not until after the Rannoch arc when legion used the reaper to give the geth true intelligence. Even back in ME 2 legion did not have sense of individuality.
Modifié par legion999, 29 juillet 2012 - 07:02 .
The Mad Hanar wrote...
legion999 wrote...
Well unlike others she's only in one game so there's no need to feel foolish.
PS: Your thread has went off-topic.
I really don't mind since it was a flame war when it was on topic. : /
The Mad Hanar wrote...
What makes it bad?
Tedious exploration... - which was taken out of ME3
with a barely controllable vehicle... - which was taken out of ME2
that leads to repetitive missions... - which is a problem that ME3 doesn't have
which re use the same surroundings and enemy factions - Again, an issue that ME3 doesn't have
Dialogue "choices" that lead Shepard to say the same thing no matter what - which is worse than auto dialogue, really...an illusion of choice to make the game seem deeper than it is
Shooting a gun on any level that's lower than 15 - Improved upon in ME2, and again in ME3
Bugs, and lots of them - Still a bit of a problem
Clunky combat overall - Improved upon in ME2 and 3
Re used sound bits - A non issue in the sequels
Unrealistic scope of time - would Saren really wait for you to run around a bunch of unmapped planets? Really? - Improved upon by making the side missions fit within the narrative in ME3
Any weapon reliant class - Made better in the sequels
A clunky inventory system - Non exsistent in the sequels.
There you have it. If you nit pick a game enough you can find problems in it. Ones that can be improved upon.
Ticonderoga117 wrote...
The Mad Hanar wrote...
What makes it bad?
Tedious exploration... - which was taken out of ME3
with a barely controllable vehicle... - which was taken out of ME2
that leads to repetitive missions... - which is a problem that ME3 doesn't have
which re use the same surroundings and enemy factions - Again, an issue that ME3 doesn't have
Dialogue "choices" that lead Shepard to say the same thing no matter what - which is worse than auto dialogue, really...an illusion of choice to make the game seem deeper than it is
Shooting a gun on any level that's lower than 15 - Improved upon in ME2, and again in ME3
Bugs, and lots of them - Still a bit of a problem
Clunky combat overall - Improved upon in ME2 and 3
Re used sound bits - A non issue in the sequels
Unrealistic scope of time - would Saren really wait for you to run around a bunch of unmapped planets? Really? - Improved upon by making the side missions fit within the narrative in ME3
Any weapon reliant class - Made better in the sequels
A clunky inventory system - Non exsistent in the sequels.
There you have it. If you nit pick a game enough you can find problems in it. Ones that can be improved upon.
1. Scanning missions, even worse.
2. The vehicle was fine, the crazy mountain ranges were not.
3. "Go to Citadel, eavesdrop, scan planet, repeat." Still boring and repetive.
4. True, but only because there are not that many side missions, and the N7 ones use the SAME maps from MP.
5. Illusion of choice better than none. Also, they add tone. You may say the same thing, but with a different tone.
6. True.
7. True.
8. True.
9. Cerberus troops.
10. All the games have that, since time in general is a pain to keep track of.
11. True.
12. I enjoyed the inventory system.
Ticonderoga117 wrote...
The Mad Hanar wrote...
What makes it bad?
Tedious exploration... - which was taken out of ME3
with a barely controllable vehicle... - which was taken out of ME2
that leads to repetitive missions... - which is a problem that ME3 doesn't have
which re use the same surroundings and enemy factions - Again, an issue that ME3 doesn't have
Dialogue "choices" that lead Shepard to say the same thing no matter what - which is worse than auto dialogue, really...an illusion of choice to make the game seem deeper than it is
Shooting a gun on any level that's lower than 15 - Improved upon in ME2, and again in ME3
Bugs, and lots of them - Still a bit of a problem
Clunky combat overall - Improved upon in ME2 and 3
Re used sound bits - A non issue in the sequels
Unrealistic scope of time - would Saren really wait for you to run around a bunch of unmapped planets? Really? - Improved upon by making the side missions fit within the narrative in ME3
Any weapon reliant class - Made better in the sequels
A clunky inventory system - Non exsistent in the sequels.
There you have it. If you nit pick a game enough you can find problems in it. Ones that can be improved upon.
1. Scanning missions, even worse.
2. The vehicle was fine, the crazy mountain ranges were not.
3. "Go to Citadel, eavesdrop, scan planet, repeat." Still boring and repetive.
4. True, but only because there are not that many side missions, and the N7 ones use the SAME maps from MP.
5. Illusion of choice better than none. Also, they add tone. You may say the same thing, but with a different tone.
6. True.
7. True.
8. True.
9. Cerberus troops.
10. All the games have that, since time in general is a pain to keep track of.
11. True.
12. I enjoyed the inventory system.
Modifié par AresKeith, 29 juillet 2012 - 07:10 .
No they were not, well at least not TIM until the end. If they were indoctrinated, Sanctuary would not exist and definitely would not have gotten attacked.KotorEffect3 wrote...
Cerberus was indoctrinated. They were part of the reaper war
The Mad Hanar wrote...
I forgave the Cerberus thing a lot easier than most people did because they needed to throw a threat people could actually fight with throughout the game. Had the Reapers attempted a coup, Shepard would've been screwed, you know? Also, the Krogan were a big part of Shepard's plan and TIM was trying to slow him down. I see what you mean with ME2 though. I've noticed that more and more on my more recent playthroughs of the game. The characters really don't get developed, you either like them from the beginning or you feel absolutely no attachment to them.
I will say:
Plot wise: ME1>ME3>ME2
Game play wise: ME3>ME2>ME1
Biotics:ME1>>>>>>>>>>>>ME3>>>>>>ME2
Immersion: ME1>ME2>ME3
Yet, ME2 is the game I play most out of all three. It's weird, I know.
I always *loved* these in-depth, heart to hearts you had with WrexKotorEffect3 wrote...
Rovay wrote...
<SNIP>
Wrex.
Shepard
. I freely admit that every time I went to the shuttle bay, I went over to Wrex just do do this little bit of dialogue.
Modifié par iamweaver, 29 juillet 2012 - 07:14 .
jeffyg93 wrote...
The inventory... system? I would not contest your opinion if you just said the inventory, but the system that manages that inventory is so awfully atrocious. Limited space, which wouldn't be a problem, but you automatically pick up items and you have to turn them into omni gel one-by-one. I have nightmares of reaching the max inventory limit, then going to the inventory screen and having to turn 100 useless items that I already have into omnigel.
Say what you want about the armor and weapons in ME1 (although the weapons are essentially all the same minus stats), but the system that managed them is designed so horribly.
The Mad Hanar wrote...
It's a great story...but a bad game
Redeeming features:
Virmire
Ilos
Noveria
The ending
The Biotic classes
The music
The plot
The characters
The tension (up to a point)
What makes it bad?
Tedious exploration... - which was taken out of ME3
with a barely controllable vehicle... - which was taken out of ME2
that leads to repetitive missions... - which is a problem that ME3 doesn't have
which re use the same surroundings and enemy factions - Again, an issue that ME3 doesn't have
Dialogue "choices" that lead Shepard to say the same thing no matter what - which is worse than auto dialogue, really...an illusion of choice to make the game seem deeper than it is
Shooting a gun on any level that's lower than 15 - Improved upon in ME2, and again in ME3
Bugs, and lots of them - Still a bit of a problem
Clunky combat overall - Improved upon in ME2 and 3
Re used sound bits - A non issue in the sequels
Unrealistic scope of time - would Saren really wait for you to run around a bunch of unmapped planets? Really? - Improved upon by making the side missions fit within the narrative in ME3
Any weapon reliant class - Made better in the sequels
A clunky inventory system - Non exsistent in the sequels.
There you have it. If you nit pick a game enough you can find problems in it. Ones that can be improved upon.
Modifié par PanzerGr3nadier, 29 juillet 2012 - 07:17 .
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